What Did Atta and Laden Intend to Accomplish on 9/11/1 ?

* * * 2. Churchill was not a poodle,
in actual fact he was the leader in that particular political situation,
as he did his best to persuade and manipulate the USA to join the WW2 party.
At that time, a fair portion of your top politicians were doing their best
to stay out of things.
If anyone was the subject of any sort of animal analergy in all this,
it would be Roosevelt, who was a big juicy trout that Churchill
eventually reeled in, thank god, otherwise we would all be speaking
German or Russian in Europe right now.
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I'm not sure they knew themselves. I heard the one that hit The Pentagon originally intended to strike The White House,
but they hit The Pentagon because it was more easily recognisable from the air.

. . . Mohammed Atta was just a soldier, carrying out his orders.

Bin Laden was our friend and ally, until after the Gulf War. Then he wanted "infidel" troops out of Saudi Arabia. He was ignored. So, Al Qaeda started a series of attacks to punish us for keeping troops in Saudi Arabia. They attacked hotels in Aden where American troops had been staying en route to Somalia. They attempted an attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. In 1995, they bombed a Saudi National Guard training center. In 1998, they attacked American embassies in Africa. In 2000, they attacked U.S.S. Cole in Aden. Along the way, between 1991 and 2001, there were several attacks planned which failed.

Al Qaeda had never operated, freely or otherwise, in Iraq. Bin Laden hated Hussein because Iraq was a secular nation, and hated Iraqis in general because the maority were Shi'ites, and the Sunni minority were largely secular, and were not the bat-**** crazy fundamentalists that bin Laden and his crew were. (People constantly fail to make the distinction between Sunni and Shi'ite, and between ordinary Muslims and fundamentalists. Bin Laden was a Wahhabi, an extremely fundamentalist Sunni sect which originated in Saudi Arabia in the 17th century, and which, if anything, has grown more conservative and fundamentalist in the more than 300 years since.)

The so-called "Al Qaeda in Iraq" was only formed after the 2003 invasion, and used the name Al Qaeda for the cachet of the name. Al Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist wannabe who founded the organization did not even attempt a link with bin Laden's organization for almost a year and half after the invasion. It is typical of the ignorance of people in the West that he could exploit the name, His attacks were directed at "infidels" and Shi'ites, which made him a more of a cat's paw of the Sunni minority which was ousted from power by the invasion, than a genuine arm of Al Qaeda.

No one here, of course, has to believe any of that, but the sources online are numerous and easily checked.

There has been an unwarranted focus on Atta, largely i suspect because he was caught and identified on a surveillance camera. He was just one team leader out of the four teams.

We all expect our soldiers to excel at the tasks assigned them.
As for being fanatics, certainly they were. But they weren't fanatics because they were Muslims.
They were fanatics who happened to be Muslims. Raised in different circumstances, but having any profound grievance,
they'd just have been fanatics of a different type.

You go on and on about being in mensa,

and they you fail to recognize basic distinctions among a group as large and diverse as the Muslim world.
They are not all the same, any more than all Christians ae the same, or all people of European descent.

Bin Laden happened to have been a Sunni fundamentalist. That means he didn't care if Shi'ites lived or died, and would have been happy to see as many of them out of this life as possible. Saying Muslim fanatic is about as precise as saying Christian fanatic--that's more than a billion people in the category, so you really aren't saying anything meaningful at all.

The passengers on United Airlines Flite 93
spontaneously organized themselves in a "well regulated militia"
(i.e., private, with no government interference) and successfully counterattacked the Moslems, taking back the plane.
It crashed.

Does anyone have any ideas of the Moslems' target destination in Washington ?

According to al Qaeda’s fatwa’s published in 1996, 1998 and a “Letter to America” published in 2002, Atta, bin Laden and the rest of al Qaeda attempted to accomplish the removal of US troops from Saudi Arabia and punish the US for its abetment of Israel in its occupation of Palestine and the sanctions imposed against Iraq at the time.

They also intended to let us know what it feels like to have bombs dropping out of the sky and buildings falling around us so that we'd stop doing that in other places.

Lordyaswas wrote:

Get it now? Oral is an idiot, or didn't you know that?

I hold his analytical abilities in high esteem.
David

Did the Moslems expect us to be impressed with their brutality
toward innocent citizens and hurry to worship Allah, in admiration, or fear ?

Lordyaswas wrote:

Get it now? Oral is an idiot, or didn't you know that?

I hold his analytical abilities in high esteem.
David

Oral can't be an idiot a completely cretinous imbecile holds his "analytical abilities" [sic] in high esteem?

Did the Moslems expect us to be impressed with their brutality
toward innocent citizens and hurry to worship Allah, in admiration, or fear ?

Isn't "Allah"...the god of Abraham?

DAVID wrote:

Did the Moslems expect us to be impressed with their brutality
toward innocent citizens and hurry to worship Allah, in admiration, or fear ?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Isn't "Allah"...the god of Abraham?

I can't speak for the Moslems,
defining their fundamental beliefs, Frank.

David

OmSigDAVID wrote:

DAVID wrote:

Did the Moslems expect us to be impressed with their brutality
toward innocent citizens and hurry to worship Allah, in admiration, or fear ?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Isn't "Allah"...the god of Abraham?

I can't speak for the Moslems,
defining their fundamental beliefs, Frank.

David

Okay...but you are a very knowledgeable person, David…and almost intelligent,
knowledgeable person understands that “Allah”…IS the god of Abraham.

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

DAVID wrote:

Did the Moslems expect us to be impressed with their brutality
toward innocent citizens and hurry to worship Allah, in admiration, or fear ?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Isn't "Allah"...the god of Abraham?

I can't speak for the Moslems,
defining their fundamental beliefs, Frank.

David

Okay...but you are a very knowledgeable person, David…and almost intelligent,
knowledgeable person understands that “Allah”…IS the god of Abraham.

Really?? Will u reveal how u have ascertained
what an almost intelligent person understands??
I have never studied Islam, nor have I ever claimed
any scholarship in this theology.

Do u allege that almost intelligent people know
whether Mars or Venus was the God of Abraham ?

Do u allege that almost intelligent people know
whether Mars or Venus was the God of Abraham ?

...."I have a nice 9mm German Luger P-'O8 date stamped "194O"
(with matching serial numbers on all stamped parts) as part of my gun collection,
from that period. Its accurate, too."

You're lucky. If Churchill hadn't been such an accomplished trout fisherman,
all those Lugers would have been snapped up by Ivan.