ConstantlyQuestioning wrote:Don't read what's not there nimh. This refers specifically to the notion of keeping a new Iraq from devolving into the old Iraq
What "old Iraq"? Iraq wasn't a Muslim state before the Americans invaded it - it was a secular dictatorship. Apologies for the exasperation, but I wish you people would stop confusing IraQ with IraN, darn it.
Under Saddam, religious leaders were forced to kowtow to the dictator's line or "disappear". Its one of the reasons why people turn to religious leaders now - cause they're seen as the
alternative to Saddamism as well as Americanism.
ConstantlyQuestioning wrote:Not ALL nations unfriendly to the US are thugs, but a bunch of tribal clerics trying to bring about there own version of a theology in Iraq are.
Why? Christian-democracy once started as a bunch of (Catholic, Protestant) clerics winning elections by promoting their version of theology.
The definition of "thugs", as in, people we need to keep out of power by violence and occupation if need be, should be based on behaviour, not ideology.
If they start persecuting the opposition etc, they're thugs. If they win the elections through anti-American rhetorics, but reasonably keep to the rules of the democratic game, they're not. IMHO.
Iraq's religious leaders are the one authority Iraqis trust now. You can't keep them out of whatever political system you're building, not without resorting to (thuggish) police state tactics yourself. By insisting they should at all costs not be allowed into power, you just boost a radicalising resistance.
By making clear that what you're concerned about is the rules of the game (basic human rights, half-decent democracy, no violent persecution of minorities and a reasonably free media should be feasible) - but that in terms of political points of view they choose to promote within the rules of the game, they're as free as anyone is in their own country (i.e. they dont suddenly need to become happy capitalist grateful friends of America) - you just might stand a chance of transforming those religious leaders into a stabilising factor.