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Do we really have to take military action to Syria?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 09:52 am
@JPB,
From the Guardian article.
Quote:
"His point was that this brutal dictator with a history of playing fast and loose with the facts cannot be trusted to turn over chemical weapons, otherwise he would have done so long ago. That's why the world faces this moment."


Obama, the brutal dictator with a history of playing fast and loose with our Constitution cannot be trusted with pushing our country into another war. The reason Americans faces this moment is because nobody in congress or the supreme court has brought charges against Obama for not protecting and defending our Constitution.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
"if syria puts a man on the moon in a week we will not attack" kerry might as well have said....it would take an international force of many thousands months to remove all of the chemicals even with full assad cooperation. that comment is "playing fast and loose with the facts"
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Syria crisis: Russia calls on Assad to destroy chemical arsenal
• 'We are calling on the Syrian leadership' Lavrov says
• Gambit follows Russian meeting with Syrian foreign minister
• New UN inspections proposed as US threatens strikes
BREAKING Syrian foreign minister welcomes Russia's Syria chemical handover initiative

live update @ The Guardian
revelette
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:01 am
@JPB,
Nevertheless, it seems she was right that the video was a year ago as the NYT printed a correction.
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revelette
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
BREAKING Syrian foreign minister welcomes Russia's Syria chemical handover initiative


Does this mean they will do it and who will make sure all of them are turned over?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:13 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The reason Americans faces this moment is because nobody in congress or the supreme court has brought charges against Obama for not protecting and defending our Constitution.


Yeah, "not protecting and defending our Constitution" is really serious stuff. Murdering millions and destroying countries and people's lives, not so much.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:13 am
@revelette,
There are no answers yet, rev.

Here's the link to the Guardian live blog. It updates automatically and regularly.

http://www.theguardian.com/global/middle-east-live/2013/sep/09/syria-crisis-russia-kerry-us-live
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:15 am
@JPB,
More tit for tat.
Quote:
Syrian president Assad threatens 'repercussions' if US launches strikes
Assad insists there is 'not a shred of evidence' that regime used chemical weapons and warns of revenge attacks against US.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:16 am
@hawkeye10,
Weird. CtrlF only picked up the one in your post.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:18 am
@revelette,
It looks like Russia is calling John Kerry's bluff. The offer was made shortly after Kerry said that was the only way Syria could avoid strikes.

There's plenty of organisations that could do it. The UN had weapons inspectors over there a few weeks ago.

Radovan Karodzic, Slobodan Milosevic and Ratko Mladic all looked like they got away with it, but they all ended up in the Hague. That's where Assad will end up if he doesn't get killed first.
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:19 am
@cicerone imposter,
Um... I think he's a far cry from that, CI. Enabler of a police state, maybe. Brutal dictator, not even close.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:21 am
@JPB,
How do you define a "police state?" What and who are the leaders of police states?
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:22 am
@izzythepush,
If it was a bluff. All of this may have been cooked up at the G-20 meeting last week. I quite honestly don't care if he was caught being flippant or was intentionally throwing out a bone so long as it works.
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:23 am
@cicerone imposter,
Different thread - better suited to the Snowden discussion.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:29 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

If it was a bluff. All of this may have been cooked up at the G-20 meeting last week. I quite honestly don't care if he was caught being flippant or was intentionally throwing out a bone so long as it works.

strange though, Obama is supposed to be working full bore to get Congress to approve force, and he just made that job even more impossible because who in their right mind is going to agree to go to war if diplomacy might work?
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 10:31 am
@hawkeye10,
McCain just tweeted that Kerry's "unbelievably small" comment on the scope of the mission was "unbelievably unhelpful"
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 11:31 am
@JPB,
Repukes want the mission scope to be miniscule but not "unbelievably" so.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 12:37 pm
@JPB,
Quote:

If it was a bluff. All of this may have been cooked up at the G-20 meeting last week. I quite honestly don't care if he was caught being flippant or was intentionally throwing out a bone so long as it works.


Who outside of the administration really understand what the administration's strategy is. We do get a *glimpse* of a personal profile on Bashar Assad. Israeli military bombed a weapons depot in the Syrian town of Latakia two years ago. Assad did absolutely nothing. Such is the way of cowards. They will get behind their computers, go before their media, and sound so alarmingly fierce, but in reality.....they're frightened little children of the dark. It's a way out for Assad who does not want to face the might of the US military. If the US does strike Syria, that will weaken his army which might lead to his ouster. This way, if he does as Russia suggested and delivers up his chemicals (all of them) to the UN to be destroyed, he still get to stay around and be grand leader of Syria.

It is also a way out for Obama with the majority of Americans increasingly against any Syria attack.

Assad comes across as gutless, but will sneakily use chemicals and claim to almighty god he did not do so. The man wears two faces and is totally untrustworthy. I believe he will accept Russia and the UN's plan. But if Obama's tough talk to attack Syria worked, then it's a victory for him.
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 01:23 pm
@Olivier5,
No, McCain was pushing for broadening the mission. He says that's necessary for by in from the hawks.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 9 Sep, 2013 01:27 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Syria will still be engulfed in civil war. We'll get congress to agree to arming moderate rebel groups (if they can find any) and perhaps send over some "boots" to train them. Same ol, same ol.
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