Is Obama the most Inept Foriegn Policy President Since Carter?

US piracy is still running at its normal high levels.

"Ought implies "can". Nobody elected America to be the arbiter of civilization. America frequently undercuts the UN, the closest thing to such an arbiter that the world does have. So why should the rest of the world let America bully it into looking after America's idea of civilization? People resist bullies; it's a good thing; therefore, an American policy of bullying countries won't work, whether you want it to or not.


America can speak up, try to name and shame China's human-rights abuses, maybe throw in a sanction or two. But it should expect to accomplish too much, and it shouldn't disparage its president when he doesn't meet unrealistic expectations.

Pipe down, pipsqueak, adults are talking.

This is breathtaking bullshit--far above your usual level of delusion. You really, really hate Muslims.

http://able2know.org/topic/220270-1

Educate yourself.

Film about muslims with a happy ending: the tale of Inalchik, the guy who tried to show Genghis Khan how bad he was by burning the beards off of four Mongol ambassadors...

So, to defend Oralloy's bullshit, you post more bullshit from a right-wing blog site. That piece of **** you quoted and linked is a contrivance of distortions, half-truths and outright lies. Islam was not attempting to overrun Anatolia, the Seljuk Turks were. If we follow what passes for logic in that article (and, apparently, at your house), everytime a christian nation has made war on anyone, it has been a religious war. However, i'm not surprised. I already knew that you and Oralloy don't know anything about history. In any event, learning or exploring history is never your goal. Just like this brain-dead thread, the object is the furtherance of partisan polemic.

By 600 AD the entire Med basin was Christian. You actually believe that going from that to what we observe now happened peacefully??

I didn't say it did. You, like so many conservatives here, would be lost without straw men to set up and knock down.

While it is true that the Seljuk Turks had invaded Anatolia, they didn't give a rat's ass about religion. If you paid the tribute they levied, and how you got was your problem, they were fine with that. The first crusade was about half men at arms and their lords, and about half gullible pilgrims who thought they'd see Jerusalem. When they got to Constantinople, the men at arms started plundering the towns around the city, and even the houses and shops up to the city walls. The Emperor paid them a "subvention" to be on their way--basically, your standard middle ages protection racket. When they got on the road into Anatolia, they made sure to avoid the Turks there, who could actually fight back. They discovered the concept of logistics, and realized they hadn't planned to supply themselves. So they plundered the pilgrims who had come with them, and they plundered the Emperor's loyal christian subjects. Somebody in Constantinople must have tipped them wise, because rather than fight a well-organized Turkish force, they slipped into Syria and Palestine where an ineffective power struggle was under way. They plundered everyone in sight who wasn't armed, and they carved out fiefs for themselves.

One of the Turks fighting for control of Baghdad lost, and had to run, and was eventually killed. His best military officer was a Kurd, Ayyub. Ayyub brought along Yussuf, known as Salah'-al-Din, Peace to the Faithful, and rendered as Saladin by the French. They took back Jerusalem and several of the Crusader fiefs, and the subsequent crusades were unable to dislodge them. The Ayyubids also didn't give a rat's ass what religion their victims practiced.

The original "Holy Warriors" overran the Sassanid Empire, a corrupt and decaying government that had lost the support of the people, They also overran Persia, which was in the same state. They also overran the Vandal and Visigoth kingdoms of North Africa, which were also corrupt and decaying, and which had lost the support of the people. They failed to overrun the Roman Empire, which was still effective. It took them almos 500 years to overrun Anatolia, and that only happened after the Turks showed up. It took them 300 more years to take Constantinople. When they tried to invade what we call France, the Franks and Lombards under Charles Martel (Charles the Hammer) handed them their military ass at Tours. Fanaticism can accomplish some things, but it is no match for a well-organized and determined opponent.

You're trying to make out that the Turks were waging holy war, just as Oralloy was, and that's bullshit. You're also trying to make the christians out to be the good guys, and the Turks to be the bad guys. There were no good guys during the crusades.

As i've already pointed out, you don't care about history, this is just polemic you came up with because you hate Muslims and would love to see war waged on them. As with that idiot Mongol video, you relish the slaughter and mayhem. As long, of course, as your sorry ass never has to go in harm's way.

Do you mean lying, dishonest adults like you, Joe?

Nicely sanitized, Thomas. I guess sometimes spades aren't really spades.

nicely delusional....people bully others because it often works.

Perhaps we should smash a rogue nation once a year, just to remind everyone that we can.



That isn't true. A number of free and democratic nations from around the world freely choose to rely on us to defend them from the bad guys.



Nonsense. How do we undercut the UN?



What you are calling "bullying" is our defense of ourselves and our allies.

As for why: Because they'll be eating DroneStrikes (or worse) if they don't.



Not when the "bullies" are merely the police enforcing the law, and not when the "resisters" are actually a gang of criminals. Then it's a bad thing.

But police have a ready solution when criminal gangs resist them: They shoot the criminals until the resistance stops.



Actually, having our military shoot up the troublemakers works quite well.

Nah. I just want them to stop killing everyone and stealing holy sites.

wait, so standing up to bullies does not mean you hate them?? I shall have to ponder that there idea.

I was addressing Gunga Dim, who, at least polemically, does really, really hate Muslims. I won't stoop to respond to your unsubstantiated characterization.

The US is pretty much on schedule there, oralboy, but it's never been rogue nations, it's only been weaker nations that the US bullies and then steals from, leaving the people far worse off than they were before the illegal invasions.

Yes

I am sure that the Brotherhood has realized in the last 48 hours how little popular support their calls for jihad against the miltary has. the only question now is did the military a year ago decide to give the brotherhood just enougu rope to hang themselves? My Egyptian food salesman says no, that the miltary was bought off but later had a change of heart.