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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:43 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Zimmerman's attorney is not unbiased. And he's already preparing for a possible civil suit--he said that also.
That's why they are continuing to blame Martin for his own death.
His death resulted from his criminal decision
to beat Zimmy 's head against the cement.
He brought it on himself.





firefly wrote:
Zimmerman got a fair trial, that included considerable evidence
pointing to his possible guilt.
emotionally speculative guesswork





firefly wrote:
That he managed to get acquitted, because the jury was not convinced,
beyond a reasonable doubt, of his guilt, is a testament to the fairness of the system.

This is your usual mantra of "abuse at the hands of the state."
Have you forgotten the man killed someone.
That was a good and honorable deed.
The rest of us r safer for it.






firefly wrote:
You can't walk around, playing neighborhood vigilante, while packing a gun,
He has n had a Constitutional Right to carry his (feeble, underpowered) gun and to walk,
while observing his naborhood.
He shud get a decent compact revolver.







firefly wrote:
and shoot and kill unarmed minors, who aren't even trespassing,
but who r beating his head on the street
until Zimmy shot the bad guy






firefly wrote:
and not expect to be held answerable and legally accountable for your actions.

And the thought that Zimmerman can still walk around carrying that gun, shouldn't comfort anyone...
BULLoney! It does,
but he can get a better gun.
I 'm thinking of buying him a 2 inch .44 caliber revolver.






firefly wrote:
Without that gun in Zimmerman's possession, Martin would still be alive,
Martin forfeited that right
when he became violent with the unfortunate Zimmy.
Martin was a menace to society.






firefly wrote:
Zimmerman wouldn't have gone through his legal ordeal, and none of this would have happened.
Nonsense, but the violence wud have continued (in Travon's discretion)
until Zimmy 's brain fell out.





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firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
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but something that really bothers me is that zimmermans parents were not allowed to attend this trial, on the demand of the state of Florida. petty and cruel is what this was.

Maybe because they were witnesses in this case. They attended after their testimony was given.
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George Zimmerman‘s parents have been banned from the courtroom of their son’s murder trial. The decision by Judge Debra Nelson was made because Zimmerman’s parents may be called as witnesses by the State of Florida.

By Florida law, the victim’s family must be allowed to remain in the courtroom if they so choose, which means that Trayvon Martin‘s parents will be able to attend the trial. The family of the defendant in a murder trial has no such protections.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-zimmermans-parents-barred-from-courtroom-trayvon-martins-family-allowed-to-stay/


So there was nothing different about this trial, in that regard, from any other trial in the state of Florida.

You're the one on a witch-hunt. Laughing Can you dredge up any more examples of the state's alleged abuse? Laughing
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oralloy
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:50 pm
@edgarblythe,
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Unidentified sources within the Administration have confirmed that Obama, and Justice Eric Holder at the Department of Justice have filed charges against Zimmerman for “violating Trayvon Martin’s civil rights”.

Unlikely.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:52 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
That earlier report was more than likely a hoax; I didn't recognize the news media that reported it, and no national news media even reported it - which would have been big news.

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oralloy
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:54 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Zimmerman got a fair trial, that included considerable evidence pointing to his possible guilt.

Would this considerable evidence happen to be the very same evidence that you refuse to explain when people ask straightforward questions?
firefly
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
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we dont know that they had any major disagreements to work out, it is easy to immagine that it took that long to agree to a process and then carry out that process.

If they had no major disagreements, they could have returned a verdict in under an hour.

What "process" would they have "to carry out" if they all initially agreed he wasn't guilty? This was only a 6 person jury. They take a vote--that doesn't take 17 hours if they are in agreement to begin with.

The O.J. jury was only out 4 hours, and that was after a much longer trial.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:58 pm
@firefly,
I'll also add that it's the best possible legal system we can hope for; that the accused be judged by his/her peers.

That's the reason we need to accept the jury's verdict. We would otherwise have chaos.

The fact that different people have different conclusions are okay, because that what freedom allows us to do.

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oralloy
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:01 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
Could be a hoax. Nobody else is reporting it.

Rather than a deliberate hoax, I'd guess it was just a conspiracy theorist being taken more seriously than he should have been.

Those federal civil rights prosecutions are for abuses by local government officials. A police officer counts as a local government official, but Zimmerman, being a private citizen, does not.
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firefly
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:03 am
@oralloy,
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Would this considerable evidence happen to be the very same evidence that you refuse to explain when people ask straightforward questions?

I don't have to explain the state's case to you. Go read it for yourself.

You can read, can't you? Or is that you can't understand the state's case? Well, if that's the case, why should I bother explaining it to you.Laughing That's why the state presented days of evidence and testimony, that apparently went right over your little head. Laughing

If you understood the state's case, you wouldn't be asking the questions. Laughing It really wasn't hard to follow...for a person of normal intellect.

hawkeye10
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:05 am
@firefly,
wait, wait....you are holding out the OJ jury as an example of sound practices??!!

Tooo funny!
firefly
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:11 am
@hawkeye10,
I'm holding the O.J. jury out as an example of a jury which was in unanimous, fairly immediate, agreement for acquittal.

That was obviously not the case with the Zimmerman jury--they sweated it out for 17 hours before agreeing on their verdict. This was not the slam dunk acquittal you foolishly keep claiming it was. The state made a strong case for Zimmerman's criminal responsibility in this death.

But those Zimmerman jurors actually watched the trial--something you obviously didn't do. Laughing

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:12 am
@hawkeye10,
You're funnier! You're a BIG joke on a2k.
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oralloy
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:14 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
I don't have to explain the state's case to you. Go read it for yourself.

You can read, can't you? Or is that you can't understand the state's case? Well. if that's the case, why should I bother explaining it to you.Laughing That's why the state presented days of evidence and testimony, that apparently went right over your little head. Laughing

If you understood the state's case, you wouldn't be asking the questions. Laughing

You are stupid enough that you probably really believe that your vague references to "imaginary evidence that you never quite specify" actually fools people into thinking that your bogus claims are backed by real evidence.

But you are more transparent than you think.
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:16 am
@firefly,
maybe they agreed on everything only took their due process responsibilites seriously....you dont know and neither do I, but the difference between you and I is that I dont misrepresent where the facts lay.

but anything to win an argument is fair according to you, right?
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:19 am
@oralloy,
I didn't make any claims, birdbrain, the state of Florida did. Laughing

You couldn't understand the trial, parrot boy. Laughing You know, all of those days of testimony and evidence that the state presented. Laughing Now you want someone to explain it to you. Laughing

http://www.e-petcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/parrot_cage.jpg
oralloy
 
  -4  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:26 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
I didn't make any claims,

Liar. You've made many claims, including one just a few posts up about there having been "considerable evidence" pointing to Zimmerman's possible guilt.


firefly wrote:
birdbrain,
firefly wrote:
You couldn't understand the trial, parrot boy. Laughing You know, all of those days of testimony and evidence that the state presented. Laughing Now you want someone to explain it to you. Laughing

You trash shouldn't run around falsely accusing your betters of your own stupidity.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:30 am
@oralloy,
Your parroting this same refrain doesn't mean anything. You've heard of "bird brain?" LOL

You,
Quote:
You trash shouldn't run around falsely accusing your betters of your own stupidity.


"your betters?" ROFLMAO
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firefly
 
  4  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:47 am
@hawkeye10,
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but the difference between you and I is that I dont misrepresent where the facts lay

And there is no disputing the fact that George Zimmerman, while packing a gun, something a neighborhood watch should not be carrying, erroneously profiled an innocent middle class kid, who was simply returning from a trip to the store, and who on his way to the home where he was a guest, and he overreacted and wound up killing this unarmed minor who might well have been trying to protect himself from Zimmerman--particularly since Zimmerman never identified himself to Martin.

And nothing about the jury's verdict changes any of that. So I suggest you face the facts.

Zimmerman created all of the conditions for this needless killing--Martin was minding his own business, simply walking home as he talked on his cell phone--the "suspicious activity" of this alleged criminal was all in Zimmerman's mind, and he was so incensed by these "f--king punks" who always got away, he couldn't contain himself and just sit in his car and wait for the police to show up, even though there was absolutely no urgency in the situation, and the police neither wanted, nor needed, any further help from him. And then he took a gun to a fist fight and used it.

Zimmerman was not only not abused by the state, he got off easy.



firefly
 
  3  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 12:49 am
@oralloy,
http://www.e-petcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/parrot_cage.jpg

Polly want a cracker? Smile
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 14 Jul, 2013 01:09 am
@firefly,
even if zimmerman is the biggest dick on the face of the earth he still should not have been dragged into a Florida court unless the state was reasonably sure that they could prove that he had violated a law. the state had squat, this was politically motivated abuse.
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