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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
proving that X might have happened is not proving beyond a reasonable doubt that X DID happen. what, did you miss all of the logic 101 classes in college?

nobody other than zimmerman knows what happened, and the state could not even begin to prove what did happen. there should never have been a trial. there should never have been a charge either. I think that we need to talk about how the first responders gotthe call right, and about how the governor went back and fucked up the handling of this shooting .
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 10:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
You have NEVER shown you have logic. Show me where I don't from what I've written?

Will this be the VERY FIRST TIME you'll meet my challenge? LOL

I now have over 85,000 posts on a2k. Surely you'll be able to find ONE.
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firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
Zimmerman's attorney is not unbiased. And he's already preparing for a possible civil suit--he said that also. That's why they are continuing to blame Martin for his own death.

Zimmerman got a fair trial, that included considerable evidence pointing to his possible guilt. That he managed to get acquitted, because the jury was not convinced, beyond a reasonable doubt, of his guilt, is a testament to the fairness of the system.

This is your usual mantra of "abuse at the hands of the state." Have you forgotten the man killed someone.

You can't walk around, playing neighborhood vigilante, while packing a gun, and shoot and kill unarmed minors, who aren't even trespassing, and not expect to be held answerable and legally accountable for your actions.

And the thought that Zimmerman can still walk around carrying that gun, shouldn't comfort anyone...

Without that gun in Zimmerman's possession, Martin would still be alive, Zimmerman wouldn't have gone through his legal ordeal, and none of this would have happened. Zimmerman wasn't protecting his community that night, he killed a guest at that community, who had a perfect right to be there, because of his own distorted perceptions of the victim, and his inability to control his own impulses. Zimmerman is not the poor innocent victim of the state's abuse, or anyone else's abuse, he is fully responsible for creating his own ordeal and for causing the death of an innocent kid--he just won't be held criminally liable for any of it. He's gotten off easy.

edgarblythe
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:04 pm
David Pearsonposted toDemocracy Now!
http://nationalreport.net/obama-files-federal-charges-against-george-zimmerman-following-acquittal-in-shooting-murder-of-trayvon-martin/

Obama Files Federal Charges Against George Zimmerman Following Acquittal in Shooting Murder of...
nationalreport.net
Just when we thought the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case was over following Zimmerman's acquittal, the Obama Administration has taken the steps needed to file federal charges, thus sidesteppin..
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:07 pm
@edgarblythe,
Your link doesn't seem to work. Try this one http://realshoredrive.wordpress.com/
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:07 pm
@firefly,
no doubt the very same arguement was used to describe the treatment of accused witches who only got banishment rather than the hanging.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:08 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:
I know, pretty depressing.
U sadist!
Zimmy was as innocent as the cleanest angel.
He did absolutely nothing rong. Travon was a criminal for his assaults on Zimmy.
As a result of Zimmy 's heroism, Travon will stop beating
citizens' heads against the street! HOORAY!

I hope to meet Zimmy some day and shake his hand!
I wonder how long it will be b4 his book will be out.

The Republican Governor of Florida was reprehensible
for promoting this political trial, subjecting innocent Zimmy to a nightmare.





David
edgarblythe
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The link is likely experiencing too many hits at one time.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:11 pm
@edgarblythe,
I tried it twice, and couldn't connect.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, Obama is filing federal charges against Zimmerman. You can now complain about double jeopardy. LOL
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Could be a hoax. Nobody else is reporting it.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
If you had actually watched the trial, you'd be embarrassed by your own over-the-top inaccurate hyperbole. You never fail to go into Chicken Little mode. You're so predictable it's downright funny.

You don't know what you're talking about. Not that that ever bothers you. Laughing Don't you notice how rarely anyone takes you seriously? All you do is blow hot air. Laughing

The jury had enough evidence to consider that it took them about 17 hours to arrive at a verdict--it was not a quick verdict, and it wasn't a slam dunk. I don't think they'd agree with your appraisal. They were described as looking grim and exhausted when they entered the courtroom to deliver their verdict.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
This is the closest I can find on Google.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/outraged-naacp-feds-prosecute-george-zimmerman/story?id=19659034#.UeIzyNI07N0

Story says the NAACP is demanding a Federal charge be brought, not that the Obama admin. had filed such a charge.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
obama might want to understand that he is increasingly on thin ice with Dems for running an incompetent and politics based Justice department, and that a lot if dems are pro gun rights. I expect that obama will see the light in short order that going after zimmerman will cost him a lot more that he gains by satisfying his personal prejudice.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:23 pm
@firefly,
we will hear from jury members soon enough about what they thought, there is no need to speculate.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
I think it is a hoax. Or wishful thinking on the part of some people.

There are no grounds for a federal charge--the FBI was already involved in the investigation of this case.

That some people may ask the feds to pursue it won't get anywhere. This was not a clear hate crime, which would be the only basis for a federal case.
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:29 pm
@firefly,
the justice department long ago claimed that there is no racial basis for them taking this case, so the justification would need to be inventive.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:35 pm
it is a rather small injustice in the vast scheme of injustice in this case, but something that really bothers me is that zimmermans parents were not allowed to attend this trial, on the demand of the state of Florida. petty and cruel is what this was.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
we will hear from jury members soon enough about what they thought, there is no need to speculate.

Maybe yes, maybe no.

I'm not sure why they'd want to subject themselves to all sorts of attacks and scrutiny. They did their job, they rendered their verdict. They don't owe anyone an explanation.

They definitely took their time deliberating this verdict. They kept working right through lunch and dinner today. It was not something that they agreed on right off the bat.

hawkeye10
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 11:40 pm
@firefly,
we dont know that they had any major disagreements to work out, it is easy to immagine that it took that long to agree to a process and then carry out that process.
 

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