The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

I understand he received some $250,000 in donations - that they tried to hide from the judge.

There's that malicious lying again. You just can't seem to get enough of it, Oralloy.

You lie openly and brazenly while others like to do theirs by stealth.

I don't know if it was quite that much, but they had worked out an elaborate scheme to conceal their assets from the court so he could appear indigent. And Zimmerman's wife still faces perjury charges because of that. She's out on bail too. It will be interesting to see what now happens with that. She can go to jail--for a year or two--and she really deserves to go to jail over that. She lied directly to the judge's face about a matter that judge had to decide.

They had also used the money sent to his legal fund to pay off their pile of past debts--like their credit cards, phone bills, etc.--because they seem to have always been in heavy debt--so they were also using the money for other than its intended purpose.

Fine upstanding characters, Mr and Mrs Zimmerman are not.

That doesn't address the fact that Italy hasn't needlessly caused the deaths of millions, murdered millions, terrorized hundreds of millions since WWII, Oralloy.

Nor does it address the fact that the USA has needlessly caused the deaths of millions, murdered millions, terrorized hundreds of millions since WWII so you might want to consider who is backward and ignorant.

And considering your remarks in response to this, you really ought to consider who is ignorant and backward.

Unless your carrying a gun. Especially if your in Zimmermans neighborhood.

I am indeed open and brazen, but I don't lie.

On rare occasions I am mistaken. However, when that happens it is an honest mistake instead of a lie.

He dident stay in his car and wait for the police.

You are such a phony, Firefly. Try a little bit of perspective, will you? Bush lied his ass of, Obama lies his ass of, Reagan lied is ass off, and there were serious results from those lies.



But they are not responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions.

See what an absolute phony you are.

I notice you never claimed you thought he was not guilty of murder. Just that you dident think it could be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. I have come to be very doubtful about justice in the US of A. O J Simpson bested Zimmerman by one body.

the next step in limiting the injustice done to a man named zimmerman is for the judge to levy sanctions on the state for evading handing over evidence to the defense. but make no mistake, Zimmerman was fucked by the state of Florida. we should all be ashamed of the condition our "justice" system is in.

Well DUUUUUUH, Rabel. How can you expect justice from a people that don't give a fig about justice?

So? That was a bit foolish of him, but it's hardly evidence of guilt.

You ain't just whistlin' dixie, Hawk. You do know of course how many of your prezes have gotten away with crimes that are every bit the match of the Nazis.

Since I don't know the Zimmermans, I'll let the courts decide how to treat their lies to the judge.

I think it was a tough case for the prosecution, but they did a fairly poor job at it. They didn't challenge much of anything the defense presented. The defense controlled that court room from start to finish.

I also believe the judge is above average, but she also screwed up in asking Zimmerman if he wanted to be a witness during the trial. It wasn't necessary to get that information until later in the trial.

I see that the attorney general decided to highlight again what a barbaric **** she is by making clear that she considered it her job to look out only for justice for the memory of a man named martin, ignoring that her job is to work to see that everyone gets justice, to include the man named zimmerman. to have a person who so willfully disregards the concept of justice for all in order to stroke her prejudice running a states "justice" system is a damning indictment of the america justice system. I am the last person who wants to agree with what JTT says about america, but he/she has a valid argument.

They challenged Zimmerman's credibility--repeatedly--by using his own past statements and inconsistencies and lies to discredit him. They challenged the extent of his injuries. They presented evidence of his animosity toward Martin. They presented evidence of Martin's phone conversation, and what he was feeling and thinking, while Zimmerman followed and confronted him. In other words, they challenged the defense's main claim of self defense. What else could the state have done that they failed to do?

I don't think the prosecution did a bad job at all. They could only work with the evidence and witnesses that they had available to them.

The defense was greatly aided by the way Florida self-defense law reads. All they really had to do was keep waving the pictures of his bloody nose, and the two bleeding scratches on the back of his head, and keep saying, "He feared for his life." The law gives Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt.

She asked Zimmerman that as the defense neared the end of its case. She had to ask him that. She had to be sure he had been advised of his rights. How much later could she have waited--the defense case was ending?

I think the judge was fine. She kept control over the trial and kept it moving along. And she was very considerate of the fact that the jury was sequestered, and, for their sake, she didn't want things dragged out longer than necessary.

The jury did not find Zimmerman "innocent". They could not find him guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, but that's not the same as finding him "innocent". The state did prove that Zimmerman's actions led to the needless death of Trayvon Martin, it was Zimmerman who set the entire tragedy into motion, and he always will have Martin's blood on his hands. But the state could not disprove, beyond all doubt, that he did not fire his gun in self-defense--even if he created the entire situation. That's a problem with the law itself, and the way it's written.

So now George Zimmerman can still walk around packing his gun...

"so and so is a lier" does not translate into " I am telling the truth and I have the facts AND I can prove it". the state did not even start to meet their burden of proof, that this case ever made it to trial is clear cut abuse, even if the cause was gross incompetence, which I dont belive was the case. we just watched a modern day witch trial, and all good americans should be offended by what happened here...done in our name mind you.

edit: for this judge to make the grade of good judge shewould have needed to stop the states abuse of zimmerman. she of course repeatedly refused to do the right thing.

Do you actually believe your own BS?

That trial couldn't have been fairer.

zimmermans attorney and I disagree, that makes at least two of us who take the existance of this trial as proof of abuse at the hands of the state of Florida. you are of course as always free to be wrong.

They challenged Zimmerman's credibility? But, when the defense presented the same evidence, they proved what Zimmerman claimed to be consistent even from their witnesses.

What the prosecution failed to do was question the assumptions that the defense made about all the issues presented. The defense presented their case as if what they said were facts: nobody really knows the facts, because there were really no witnesses. The prosecution had to present the opposing views of what could have happened.

Remember the mannequin demonstration by the defense? Remember when the defense claimed that the cement was a deadly weapon?

Where were their challenges? They could have challenged those very easily.

They didn't.