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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

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parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:48 pm
@Brandon9000,
Clearly you are not in a neighborhood watch group Brandon. We don't carry guns. In fact our bylaws tell us not to. The police that meet with us tell us not to. It's called responsibility.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:50 pm
Quote:
According to the jury instructions, Zimmerman could be convicted of manslaughter if jurors believe he "intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin."

"George Zimmerman cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide," the instructions add. "Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence."...

To convict Zimmerman of second-degree murder, the jury would have to believe that "there was an unlawful killing of Trayvon Martin by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life."

Such a killing would have to be "done from ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent" and would be "of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-trial/


The jurors did not submit a specific question regarding manslaughter, as the judge had requested that they do, if they needed further clarification.

That may mean they are moving toward an acquittal.

THEY HAVE REACHED A VERDICT!
parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:50 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

Anyone in realistic fear of imminent death or serious injury may use a gun to stay alive.

Clearly that has a different meaning for you than the reasonable person standard.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:51 pm
THE VERDICT IS COMING NOW!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:52 pm
@firefly,
Anything is possible.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:52 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
I see. So then you are saying Zimmerman LIED to the police when he told them he was heading to the other street to find a street sign. OK.

No. I am sure he started trying to find a street sign just as he said.
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Brandon9000
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:52 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

People with rocks and clubs are now unarmed? That's an interesting argument Brandon. Are you sure you want to make it?

If your definition of armed includes rocks and clubs, then I will change the scenario to a person being beaten by a mob of people without guns, rocks, or clubs, but who is nonetheless in danger of serious injury or death.
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Brandon9000
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:53 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Clearly you are not in a neighborhood watch group Brandon. We don't carry guns. In fact our bylaws tell us not to. The police that meet with us tell us not to. It's called responsibility.

I never advocated having neighborhood watch group members carry guns. I said that being in one doesn't make one a wannabe cop.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:53 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
84 pictures presented at trial are infamous for maliciously lying?

Don't be silly.


parados wrote:
Let's play that game.

No thanks.

I'll admit that playing silly mindgames with you would be more stimulating than listening to lowbrow thuggery from freaks like firefly and DrewDad.

But still, no thanks. Not really in the mood for silly mindgames.
Brandon9000
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:56 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Anyone in realistic fear of imminent death or serious injury may use a gun to stay alive.

Clearly that has a different meaning for you than the reasonable person standard.

The statement makes no mention of my standard of realistic fear. It merely states that if the fear is realistic, the person may use a gun. In some jurisdictions, the person must try to retreat first.
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firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:57 pm
@oralloy,
http://www.birdchannel.com/images/articles/bird-magazine-exclusives/08-december/parrot-in-cage.jpg

It's over, parrot boy--the verdict has been reached.
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firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:59 pm
NOT GUILTY!
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 08:02 pm
@firefly,
I agree with this jury. Being a jury member is not a simple matter. Those who believe it's easy to arrive at a conviction doesn't know what they're talking about.

Sharpton is already saying "this is a slap." It's his opinion.
revelette
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 08:04 pm
@firefly,
I know, pretty depressing.
edgarblythe
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 08:05 pm
I consider him guilty.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 08:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I accept the jury's verdict.

Trayvon Martin's parents were not in the courtroom for the reading of the verdict.
Thomas
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 08:09 pm
I find myself unsurprised as well as pleased with the jury. This is the verdict it was supposed to reach, given its instructions under Florida law. The only depressing thing in this picture is Florida's insanely low burden of proof on a homicide defendant claiming self-defense. I hope the outrage over this trial will lead Florida to adopt a similar standard as other American states.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 08:11 pm
@firefly,
We must accept the jury's verdict. They're the ones who made that "final" decision. There's going to be pros and cons from both sides, and that's to be expected, but they're not a member of the jury.

As I've intimated, the defense did an excellent job of creating reasonable doubt.

I'll stick with that. The prosecution probably lost this case. Just MHO.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 08:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
I consider him guilty.

Of what crime?

And more importantly, based on what evidence?
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mysteryman
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 08:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
But you weren't on the jury and didn't hear and see all the evidence.
 

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