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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

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oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:29 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
You've already been told where to find information on what's been presented in court.
Why don't you go find the answers and report back?

In other words, you also know of no such evidence.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:32 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
In other words, you also know of no such evidence.

No, dummy, you're the only one who seemingly doesn't know of the evidence presented at trial.

Go look it up, if you're that interested. Why should anyone bother to re-hash the trial for you?

The evidence presentation ended, both sides rested, this trial is now in a verdict watch.

The matter is now in the hands of the jury to decide. What you think happened, or didn't happen, no longer matters. The jurors are the "finders of fact". And they have been deliberating non-stop all day. They may be close to a verdict.
oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:34 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Maybe they are zeroing in on manslaughter. There is enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of that.

Oh? Why all the dodging and weaving when a simple question is asked about the evidence then?
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:38 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Why all the dodging and weaving when a simple question is asked about the evidence then?

Because no one is going to re-hash the trial for you. We're in a verdict watch now.

If you missed the presentation of evidence, go look it up, if you're that interested.
parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:39 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

firefly wrote:
Maybe they are zeroing in on manslaughter. There is enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of that.

Oh? Why all the dodging and weaving when a simple question is asked about the evidence then?

All the dodging and weaving when you are told where to find the evidence. If you were told about the evidence you would demand where you could find it so you have been told where to find it. Instead of looking you pretend you weren't told anything.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:52 pm

My most recent assessment of probability:

Most likely: a hung jury.

Next most likely: full acquittal.

Next most likely: compromise verdict of manslaughter,
with obvious appeal
parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:56 pm
@oralloy,
I would suggest you look at the crime scene photos oralloy.

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/06/03/trayvon-martin-crime-scene-evidence-photos-george-zimmerman

Zimmerman was at least 30 feet down the sidewalk behind the houses Unless he was following Martin after the dispatcher told him not to there is no reason for him to be there because he claimed he was heading to the next street to find the street name. If Zimmerman was not following or attempting to follow he would have simply headed back to his vehicle but instead he turned left and went 30-40 feet into an area that leads nowhere but where Martin had gone.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:00 pm
This waiting for the verdict must be agonizing for Zimmerman. It's hard on all the lawyers involved, and it's hard on the families, but, for Zimmerman, the anxiety must be overwhelming.

This judge has previously let jurors deliberate until 3 am. So, who knows how long this jury might keep deliberating tonight.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:12 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
In other words, you also know of no such evidence.

No, dummy,

You trash shouldn't run around falsely accusing your betters of your own stupidity.


firefly wrote:
you're the only one who seemingly doesn't know of the evidence presented at trial.

If any such evidence were presented, it sure is strange the lengths you are going to avoid referring to it.


firefly wrote:
Go look it up, if you're that interested. Why should anyone bother to re-hash the trial for you?

In other words, you know of no such evidence.


firefly wrote:
The matter is now in the hands of the jury to decide. What you think happened, or didn't happen, no longer matters. The jurors are the "finders of fact".

In other words, people should move along and not ask any questions that firefly finds inconvenient.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:12 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Why all the dodging and weaving when a simple question is asked about the evidence then?

Because no one is going to re-hash the trial for you.

No. Because you know of no such evidence.


firefly wrote:
If you missed the presentation of evidence, go look it up, if you're that interested.

In other words, you know of no such evidence.
oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:13 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
I would suggest you look at the crime scene photos oralloy.

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/06/03/trayvon-martin-crime-scene-evidence-photos-george-zimmerman

Zimmerman was at least 30 feet down the sidewalk behind the houses Unless he was following Martin after the dispatcher told him not to there is no reason for him to be there because he claimed he was heading to the next street to find the street name. If Zimmerman was not following or attempting to follow he would have simply headed back to his vehicle but instead he turned left and went 30-40 feet into an area that leads nowhere but where Martin had gone.

Actually there is a reason for him to be there. That's the area he was in when the dispatcher advised him they didn't need him to pursue.

Once he halted his pursuit, he stopped moving to a different area.

I'll have to figure out some javascript permissions to approve before your link will display pictures for me, but I notice that you are linking to someone who is infamous for maliciously lying to justify sending innocent people to prison.
parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:16 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Actually there is a reason for him to be there. That's the area he was in when the dispatcher advised him they didn't need him to pursue.

I see. So then you are saying Zimmerman LIED to the police when he told them he was heading to the other street to find a street sign. OK.
parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:18 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

I'll have to figure out some javascript permissions to approve before your link will display pictures for me, but I notice that you are linking to someone who is infamous for maliciously lying to justify sending innocent people to prison.

84 pictures presented at trial are infamous for maliciously lying? Let's play that game. Please provide your evidence of where those pictures lied and sent someone to prison.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:31 pm
@oralloy,
Parrot boy, both sides presented a time-line and maps showing Zimmerman's whereabouts from the time he called police, until the time of the shooting.

Go look up the evidence--it's all available.

http://www.birdchannel.com/images/articles/bird-magazine-exclusives/08-december/parrot-in-cage.jpg

You mindlessly repeat yourself like the parrot you are. I think the evidence in this case went right over your head. If you were able to understand it, you wouldn't be asking questions about it now.

The evidence portion of the trial ended, parrot-boy, we are waiting for the jury's verdict.



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firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:40 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't think this will be a hung jury. This jury is working hard to reach a verdict.

I suspect they are deciding between an acquittal and manslaughter, depending on how much credibility they give to Zimmerman's claim of self-defense..
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Thomas
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:42 pm
Last bookie post before the verdict: I see the odds at 65% not guilty, 25% manslaughter, 9% second-degree murder, 1% hung jury.

I wonder if there are betting websites I can compare them with?
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Brandon9000
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Those are good questions, but how about the right of a young teenager who goes to the store to buy candy and just walking back to his father's house?

He's followed by a wanna-be cop with a gun, and suspects he's up to no good, and follows him until they confront each other.

Martin didn't commit any crime, but his pursuer thought he was up to no good.

Thinking ill will is not illegal, but to follow somebody until they notice you and confronts you is a natural reaction - especially if your a black teenager who's done nothing wrong. Why are you following me?


Because I have a gun, and I wanna be a cop.


Well, maybe I should have stayed in my car, because the police were on their way. Yup!

Citizens have the right to form neighborhood watch groups. There is no reason they have to be completely helpless and abdicate all right to monitor their neighborhoods to the police. Being in a neighborhood watch group doesn't make one a wannabe cop. People have the right to take a certain amount of responsibility for the safety of their neighborhoods. Nowhere is it written that the social contract means that people have to be completely helpless. The proper role of government is not all powerful nannies to a helpless citizenry.

Whether Zimmerman is guilty or innocent simply depends on exactly what happened.
Brandon9000
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:45 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

No, it's not illegal for an armed person to shoot an unarmed person.

Leave it to Brandon to argue that murder is legal.

So, according to you, hypothetically, if I am being badly beaten by a gang of ten men with rocks and clubs, and I have a gun, I may not use to stay alive.
parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:46 pm
@Brandon9000,
People with rocks and clubs are now unarmed? That's an interesting argument Brandon. Are you sure you want to make it?
Brandon9000
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 07:47 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

parados wrote:

Actually, the prosecutions case rests on the fact that it is morally and legally improper to shoot and kill an unarmed person.

No, it's not illegal for an armed person to shoot an unarmed person. Zimmerman was seriously wounded and claimed that he was in fear for his physical integrity, if not his life. If he was under a violent attack, then he would be justified. If he wasn't, then he wouldn't.

Actually, there's quite a bit of precedent to the opposite. Getting in a fist fight, and then pulling a gun or a knife has traditionally been really hard to justify, legally.

If this were just about anywhere other than Florida, Zimmerman would have a really tough sell to get people to buy his self defense story.

Anyone in realistic fear of imminent death or serious injury may use a gun to stay alive.
 

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