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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

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JTT
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 04:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
yessir!


An excellent indication of your problem, CI.
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firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 04:40 pm
The jurors have a question about manslaughter...
oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 04:53 pm

So, did anyone ever produce evidence that Zimmerman followed Trayvon after the dispatcher advised against it, ever produce evidence that Zimmerman initiated contact with Trayvon, or ever produce evidence that Zimmerman initiated the violence?
parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 04:57 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:


So, did anyone ever produce evidence that Zimmerman followed Trayvon after the dispatcher advised against it, ever produce evidence that Zimmerman initiated contact with Trayvon, or ever produce evidence that Zimmerman initiated the violence?

Considering Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in his car, I think it's reasonable to assume Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin.
JTT
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 04:59 pm
@firefly,
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The jurors have a question about manslaughter...


Me too, FF, among other things. Wanna hear 'em?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I would presume some of both. Gotta be patient; I'm sure the jury is doing all they can to cover the issues of the trial and trying to arrive at some consensus.

I'd give it about three more days.


If this is not settled by tonight...it will end up a hung jury. My guess!
parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It will take 3-5 days before they let the jury get away with saying they can't make a decision.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:16 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Considering Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in his car, I think it's reasonable to assume Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin.

Not even remotely reasonable. It is entirely plausible that Zimmerman stopped his pursuit when the dispatcher advised it, and then Trayvon came up to him and assaulted him.

So, does this mean no one presented any such evidence?
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:19 pm
@oralloy,
You apparently missed a lot of the evidence that was presented. You can look on the HLN Web site to catch up on it.

The trial is over, oralloy. Give it a rest.

We're waiting for the verdict.
JTT
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:26 pm
@firefly,
How many people are going to die, how many lives will be ruined, how much property damage will occur, all because of the idiocy that is "stand your ground"?
oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:37 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
You apparently missed a lot of the evidence that was presented.

In other words, you know of no such evidence.


firefly wrote:
You can look on the HLN Web site to catch up on it.

Nah. I'll just ask questions here.


firefly wrote:
The trial is over, oralloy. Give it a rest.

Your request that I not ask questions that you find difficult, is denied.
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parados
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:39 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

parados wrote:
Considering Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in his car, I think it's reasonable to assume Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin.

Not even remotely reasonable. It is entirely plausible that Zimmerman stopped his pursuit when the dispatcher advised it, and then Trayvon came up to him and assaulted him.

So, does this mean no one presented any such evidence?

That must be why Zimmerman was in his car when Martin attacked him.
oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:40 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
How many people are going to die, how many lives will be ruined, how much property damage will occur, all because of the idiocy that is "stand your ground"?

Hardly idiocy. And it is likely to save lives.

I doubt property would be affected either way unless Florida were to allow shootings in defense of property.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:45 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
oralloy wrote:
parados wrote:
Considering Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in his car, I think it's reasonable to assume Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin.

Not even remotely reasonable. It is entirely plausible that Zimmerman stopped his pursuit when the dispatcher advised it, and then Trayvon came up to him and assaulted him.

So, does this mean no one presented any such evidence?

That must be why Zimmerman was in his car when Martin attacked him.

Why would you say that? Zimmerman was not in his car when the dispatcher advised him that they did not need him to follow Trayvon.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:47 pm
@JTT,
This isn't a Stand Your Ground case--it's garden variety self defense.

I think the flip side of the self-defense laws in Florida is that there are stiff penalties for misuse of a gun.

For instance, if Zimmerman admitting to displaying his gun before the fight with Martin began, he'd face about 10 years just for doing that. Reasons he'd face up to 30 years for a manslaughter conviction are sentencing enhancements for use of a gun, and for the killing of a minor.

So if you illegally display or illegally use your weapon in Florida, the penalties are stiff.

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firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:50 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy, this thread is to discuss the trial--which is now in a verdict watch.

The presentation of evidence in this case is over--the matter is now in the hands of the jury.

Go to one of the numerous other threads about this case if you want to keep re-hashing the evidence.
oralloy
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:56 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy, this thread is to discuss the trial--which is now in a verdict watch.
Go to one of the numerous other threads about this case if you want to keep re-hashing the evidence.

Your request that I not ask questions that you find difficult, is denied.

And since we're on a new page:
"So, did anyone ever produce evidence that Zimmerman followed Trayvon after the dispatcher advised against it, ever produce evidence that Zimmerman initiated contact with Trayvon, or ever produce evidence that Zimmerman initiated the violence?"
DrewDad
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:09 pm
@oralloy,
You've already been told where to find information on what's been presented in court.

Why don't you go find the answers and report back?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:09 pm
Here's another thought about the trial. It's about the defense attorney who used that mannequin to demonstrate how Martin "could have" slammed Zimmerman's head against the cement. That's total theatrics. That mannequin doesn't have any resistance to slamming its head against the ground. That was not "evidence." Also, Zimmerman could have fallen backwards against the cement sidewalk. Nobody really knows; they're all speculation.

The defense attorney told the jury they should not "imagine" anything that was not presented during trial, but I'd question that demonstration by the defense attorney if I were on that jury.
firefly
 
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Sat 13 Jul, 2013 06:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think this jury is trying to reach a verdict ASAP. They've deliberated for almost 12 hours today. They are still deliberating. They worked through dinner. They might be close to a verdict.

Maybe they are zeroing in on manslaughter. There is enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of that.
 

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