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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 04:26 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
Glitterbag said: As for Romeo, I think you should start
your own thread to discuss how exciting it is to fire weapons

Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Yeah it must feel great..Smile
IF u think so,
then Y have u failed to do it???

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Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Personally I've never fired a gun in my life;
Yea. I waited 7 years to do it.





Romeo Fabulini wrote:
my dad brought two handguns home from WW2
and let me hold them when i was about 5,
I still remember how cold and heavy they were
He did not warm them up for u??

Some people !



Its not too late, Romeo!





David
spendius
 
  2  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 06:13 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I have fired a few guns Dave. I found it quite boring. Being shot at is much more exciting.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 07:02 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, I apologize once again. I keep forgetting that Americans are so uneducated regarding international organizations who can try rogue nations for genocide. Even crazier to think gun nuts refuse to believe that they cant carry hollow points casually around outside of hunting purposes. I was very clear, hollow points are considered war crimes by the international court. They frown on chemical warfare as well.

I shouldn't have to remind you morons, that neither the UN or The Hague are issuing tickets to folks in the States, but since you seem to be confused, I am compelled to remind you. It's painfully obvious how few of the members have ever served in the military, or been stationed in hazardous areas.

I'm not telling stupid people what to do, those people will not listen anyway. Since you are in Florida and I'm not, I don't consider you a personal threat. I do have cousins in Florida, since my male cousins served in Vietnam, they have had their fill of gun play.

I'm sorry to disappoint the boys who have never fired a weapon, but for me, it's a matter of maintaining proficiency for safety issues. I have never experienced sexual pleasure firing a weapon, but some posters here seen to think that discharging a round is the same thing as getting their gun off.

David, the police might never catch you with hollow points, but if you shoot somebody, you will be in a world of hurt you brought on yourself. It's never a problem, until you get caught.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 07:24 pm
@glitterbag,
Unless they're in Florida. Twisted Evil
oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:26 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
David, the police might never catch you with hollow points, but if you shoot somebody, you will be in a world of hurt you brought on yourself. It's never a problem, until you get caught.

Nope. He is free to carry hollow points and use them for self defense, and so is every other law-abiding American.

Well, New Jersey excepted, but that law is going to be struck down one day, as it is unconstitutional.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 12:01 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
I have fired a few guns Dave. I found it quite boring.
Being shot at is much more exciting.
Pursue your preferred entertainment.

Let us know how that works out.
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glitterbag
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 12:09 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Unless they're in Florida. Twisted Evil


Well Florida is sunny, maybe too sunny and has baked the brains of a few posters. I'm going to venture a guess that you know what The Hague does and probably know about the Geneva Convention. I am way to young to have participated in The Hagues (1899) decision defining war crimes or the later Geneva Convention that put a finer point on the pencil, and was signed by 'civilized' nations.
So I'm not telling criminals what they can or can't do, it's pretty clearly defined in every State. And for David, a lengthy line of giggling over your little joke. Hardy har har, That was so funny, all I can say is, don't drive impaired, or crazy like you sound) and 'please' obey traffic codes. I'd hate to see you (a supposed lawyer) get pulled over by a trooper who actually knows about ammo & what hollow points look like. Could be a problem. Especially since the police departments can't recruit the brightest officers, and they may not find you interesting, but I'm willing to bet they will haul your butt in and have your hollow points confiscated, and you will be fingerprinted and booked.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 01:09 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
David, I apologize once again.
That 's OK.
Don t worry about it.



glitterbag wrote:
I keep forgetting that Americans are so uneducated
regarding international organizations
who can try rogue nations for genocide.
Yea, we don t think much of them; just laff them off.



glitterbag wrote:
Even crazier to think gun nuts refuse to believe that they cant carry hollow points
casually around outside of hunting purposes.
That 's true; we know better than to believe that.
We carry them all the time.




glitterbag wrote:
I was very clear,
hollow points are considered war crimes by the international court.
I was very clear
that I did not hunt nazis nor commies with them.
I have not used hollowpointed slugs in international war.
Was I clear enuf THAT TIME ??????





glitterbag wrote:
They frown on chemical warfare as well.
I shouldn't have to remind you morons, that neither the UN
or The Hague are issuing tickets to folks in the States,
but since you seem to be confused, I am compelled to remind you.
It's painfully obvious how few of the members have ever served
in the military, or been stationed in hazardous areas.

I'm not telling stupid people what to do, those people will not listen anyway.
Since you are in Florida and I'm not, I don't consider you a personal threat.
I did NOT threaten u,
nor can I conceive of any reason to do so. Y did u raise the topic of threats??????






glitterbag wrote:
I do have cousins in Florida, since my male cousins served in Vietnam,
they have had their fill of gun play.
Many gunners have been combat veterans.






glitterbag wrote:
I'm sorry to disappoint the boys who have never fired a weapon,
but for me, it's a matter of maintaining proficiency for safety issues.
I have never experienced sexual pleasure firing a weapon, but some
posters here seen to think that discharging a round is the same thing
as getting their gun off.
R u sure u read that correctly??
I must have missed that post.
Guns never felt sexy to me; different concepts.







glitterbag wrote:
David, the police might never catch you with hollow points,
but if you shoot somebody, you will be in a world of hurt you brought on yourself.
Really?? Will u be good enuf
to quote the operative language
of the prohibition
to which u refer????






glitterbag wrote:
It's never a problem, until you get caught.
It was not a problem
when I was debating the relative merits
of hollowpointed slugs with the FBI
in Washington some years ago.





David
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 01:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David do you think I should throw all my hollow points rounds in a canal you know the same kind of rounds that you can purchase in any gun shop in the state of Florida?

We do indeed get some interesting people postings on this site do we not?
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 01:47 am
@BillRM,
footnote my former state of NJ for some very strange reason do not allow you to carry hollow point rounds around only for firearms kept in your home or for range shooting but that is the only US state that I am aware of that have any such limit.

Florida my state and David state surely does not have any such limit on such rounds.

Quote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-point_bullet#United_States

Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of bullets used by civilians and police,[4] which is due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation.[citation needed]

In many jurisdictions, even ones such as the United Kingdom, where expanding ammunition is generally prohibited, it is illegal to hunt certain types of game with ammunition that does not expand.[5][6] Some target ranges forbid full metal jacket ammunition, due to its greater tendency to damage metal targets and backstops.[7]
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 03:52 am
Quote:
Romeo said: But if anybody in Britain REALLY wanted a gun, he could get one legitimately dead easy by joing an official gun club using their guns on their range for a probationary period of about 3 months, then fill in a Firearms Licence Request form from the police.
OmSigDavid said: For handgun or for a shoulder-mounted gun??
To carry defensively 24/7 ?
Have u considered going to a FREE country ?

When a Brit applies for a Firearms Licence the police will visit him to look him over and examine the gun cabinet where he intends locking up the gun when not in use at the range. If he doesn't seem to be a psycho and has got a good cabinet and is a member of a gun club and has got no police record, he'll almost certainly be granted a Licence to go out and buy a single handgun.
Of course, once he's got it, there's nothing to stop him keeping it under his pillow at night, and walking round with it stuffed in his belt or shoulder holster all day, the cops would never know..Wink

As for me emigrating to a free country, yes, I often stroll along the seafront here in Plymouth England in summer looking for rich American widows off the cruise liners so I can marry one after a whirlwind romance and live out the rest of our lives by her Miami poolside or on her ranch.
This sort of gal would suit me fine, she can rope me, throw me and brand me any time she likes, I could be her ramrod-

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BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 05:39 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
When a Brit applies for a Firearms Licence the police will visit him to look him over and examine the gun cabinet where he intends locking up the gun when not in use at the range. If he doesn't seem to be a psycho and has got a good cabinet and is a member of a gun club and has got no police record, he'll almost certainly be granted a Licence to go out and buy a single handgun.




What complete bullshit............as far as handguns are concern.

Quote:


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/sports/olympics/handgun-ban-after-1996-mass-shooting-hampers-british-olympian-georgina-geikie.html?_r=0

LONDON — Sixteen years ago, it was Britain that was trying to make sense of a mass shooting, with the nightly news filled with grieving relatives and old family
A 43-year-old named Thomas Hamilton was the gunman, and his killing floor was not a midnight movie showing but a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland. He killed 17 people, all but one of them children, before committing suicide.

But the reaction here could scarcely have been more different from the one in the United States to the mass shooting in Colorado. With outrage still white hot, gun opponents in Britain organized a successful campaign for a gun ban, and by the end of 1997 Parliament had outlawed the private ownership of nearly all handguns.

It is against that backdrop that Georgina Geikie, a 27-year-old English barmaid, will approach the firing line at the Royal Artillery Barracks here Wednesday. She is the first British athlete to compete in an Olympic cartridge pistol competition since 1996, and she will be doing something that is illegal for nearly everyone in the country — and until recently was illegal for her as well.

There is Ping-Pong diplomacy and perhaps soccer can indeed explain the world, but no Olympic sport has the political dimension of shooting. It is as universal as any activity; more countries have a representative in the Olympic shooting events than all others except for judo, swimming and track and field.

But there is an almost complete divergence between the United States and Britain, whose laws and public attitudes toward guns lie at nearly opposite ends of the spectrum.

Members of the United States Olympic shooting team seem no more inclined than gymnasts or fencers to talk about politics, preferring to discuss the finer points of their sport.

At a media appearance here, the shooting team members answered the perhaps inevitable questions about Aurora, Colo., with practiced forbearance: target shooting and gun massacres have nothing to do with each other, they said; safety is a priority for sport shooters; they were as shocked and saddened as anyone by the killings, which took place about 90 minutes from their practice site.

Whatever happens as a result of the rampage in Aurora, there is almost no chance that it will affect their sport. Beyond that assurance, officials with the team acknowledge that the benefits of the strong and loyal gun culture in the United States go far, particularly in an activity that is expensive but not particularly prominent.

“We have one of the larger direct-mail campaigns of any of our sports,” said Buddy Duvall, executive director of the USA Shooting Team Foundation.

Contributions to the team come in from gun enthusiasts, and firearms bearing little resemblance to those at the Olympics are sold in Web auctions, with the proceeds going to the American team.

Then there is Britain.

“Olympics to Boost Shooting,” read a news release from the British shooting team. One of the team’s top shooters, Peter Wilson, said in the release that he hoped the main legacy of the Olympics “is that people start to have a positive outlook on shooting.”

Wilson uses a shotgun, which, like rifles, air guns and some significantly modified pistols, remains legal here. The guns used in three Olympic shooting events, the ones involving cartridge pistols, were banned altogether in 1997.

Since then, anyone wanting to practice had to do so on the Continent or at least in Northern Ireland, where the laws are looser. There were no exceptions: an up-and-comer like Geikie and a veteran like Mick Gault, who was awarded the Order of the British Empire as one of the most successful British competitors of any sport, both kept their guns in Switzerland and traveled there on weekends to practice.

“It was the end of our sport for a while,” said Margaret Thomas, an orthodontist and former Olympian. She quit shooting pistols after the ban, considering it too much trouble. Now she is Geikie’s coach.

Those who kept at it faced some unusual arrangements. At the 2002 Commonwealth Games in Manchester, pistol event competitors were handed their guns only after being locked in the firing range, and they had to return their pistols to officials before the door was unlocked.



With the 2012 Games approaching, Britain’s strict laws posed something of a problem, even after officials granted an exception to allow the pistol events to go on as scheduled. The problem was the British team itself.

“It would have looked absolutely ridiculous if we were not allowing our shooters to practice here,” said Kate Hoey, a member of Parliament for the Labour Party and a former sports minister who has supported lifting the ban.

In 2008, government officials granted a temporary exemption loosening, but not lifting, the ban. Competitors were allowed to practice in Britain in the three events that used banned guns. The number of licenses to allow certain sport shooters to own pistols was capped in the low double digits, and only four ranges in the country were authorized for target practice.

The exemption was not looked on favorably by gun control advocates like Chris Williamson, another Labour member of Parliament.

Citing a regular and steady tally of gun fatalities in Britain that have not drawn as much attention as massacres like the one in Dunblane and a more recent rampage in Cumbria, Williamson says additional restrictions are needed, if not an outright prohibition on all guns. Among the rules he is pushing is a ban on keeping guns at home, more aggressive regulation of air guns and yearly mental fitness tests for gun owners.

Williamson said he did not have anything against target shooting, adding that the competitors should still be able to practice their sport. But he acknowledged that additional regulation might make practicing more difficult.

“We’ve got to get control of this,” he said. “If that means we may be a little less competitive in this Olympic sport, then I think that’s a price worth paying.”

Sport shooters are hoping the exemption for those practicing for the Olympics will be extended, at least until Rio de Janeiro in 2016.

There is where Geikie may come in. She is not spoken of as a gold medal hope (though some newspapers have referred to her as the Lara Croft of Britain, after the buxom English pistol-brandisher of the “Tomb Raider” franchise), but gun advocates say a strong performance by Geikie would help their cause.

“What we really need is another successful shooter,” said Hoey, the Labour member of Parliament. “If only she could do really well and get some publicity, then it’s really much easier.”

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Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 06:10 am
Last year I decided to find out once and for all about guns and Britain, this Brit gun club member (legaleagle-marplerifleandpistolclub.org.uk) seemed to know what he was talking about, here's part of one of the several detailed emails we exchanged-

"Contrary to what you may have been told, the general British public are NOT banned from possessing firearms. However, like so many other common law rights, the right to possess firearms is now heavily constrained and licensed.

To legally possess firearms in the UK a person requires a Shotgun Certificate (for shotguns) and a Firearms Certificate for all other types of firearm.
These Certificates are granted by the local police and no-one can legally buy a firearm without one, either from a dealer or from a private individual.
What the potential purchaser does for a living is irrelevant - a farmer or keeper who doesn't have a Certificate may not buy any firearm or ammunition.
Joe Public who DOES have a Certificate may purchase firearms and ammunition.

In order to qualify for either Certificate a person requires a clean criminal record and a legally-recognised "good reason" to possess. "Good reason" includes written permission to shoot over a suitable area of land or membership of a recognised shooting club.
If a gamekeeper, farmer or shooting club member has convictions they will not normally be granted a Certificate and thus are banned from owning firearms, irrespective of their livelihood or their hobby.
Ordinary members of the public with clean criminal records and "good reason" on the other hand should be able to obtain a Certificate with no problem.

Once granted, a Shotgun Certificate authorises the possession of however many shotguns the holder can justify and has secure storage for.
A Firearms Certificate specifies precisely what individual firearms and ammunition the holder may possess according to what their "good reason" is.
For example if a person was a member of a smallbore rifle club which only had use of a 25 yard indoor range they would probably be granted a Certificate to possess a .22 rimfire rifle but would be refused authority to possess a .223 or .303.

On the other hand a person who had permission to stalk deer on a couple of thousand acres should have no difficulty in obtaining a Certificate for a .270 or a .308."
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 06:19 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
Last year I decided to find out once and for all about guns and Britain, this Brit gun club member (legaleagle-marplerifleandpistolclub.org.uk) seemed to know what he was talking about, here's part of one of the several detailed emails we exchanged-


All most all types of handguns are ban repeat ban and they are not too happy about shotguns and rifles and even air guns.

You know trying to spread false information or at best highly misleading information is next to impossible in this day of the internet.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 06:37 am
Quote:
BillRM said: All most all types of handguns are ban repeat ban and they are not too happy about shotguns and rifles and even air guns.
You know trying to spread false information or at best highly misleading information is next to impossible in this day of the internet.

Are you saying the Brit gun club member was lying through his teeth, or have I misunderstood you?
oralloy
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 07:21 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Are you saying the Brit gun club member was lying through his teeth, or have I misunderstood you?

You guys have a bit of a misunderstanding, but give me a chance to laugh at the "hollow point" kookery up-thread, get the Olympics on TV, and drink a pot or two of coffee, before I attempt to resolve the misunderstanding.

Especially the coffee. Need caffeine.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 10:07 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
Are you saying the Brit gun club member was lying through his teeth, or have I misunderstood you?


I am saying that I trust the BBC and the NYT before your Brit gun club member including the craziness that the Brit Olympic team needed to face over their laws.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 10:24 am
Quote:
BillRM said: I am saying that I trust the BBC and the NYT before your Brit gun club member

You trust the media????.. Shocked Shocked
Okay i'll drop him an email and tell him you think he's fibbing and will let you know what he says if he replies..Wink
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 10:30 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
You trust the media????.. Shocked Shocked
Okay i'll drop him an email and tell him you think he's fibbing and will let you know what he says if he replies..Wink


There is no question that private ownership of handguns are ban in the UK so drop any note you care to whoever.

Anyone can find the details themselves by doing a google search on the subject.

The idea that the BBC is lying over a handgun ban in their own nation is highly amusing.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 15 Feb, 2014 10:36 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
All most all types of handguns are ban repeat ban and they are not too happy about shotguns and rifles and even air guns.
About 140,000 people in the UK are certificated to holding about 440,000 weapons.
Additionally, there are about 580,000 shotgun certificates for about 1.5 million shotguns.
(Shooting club certificates are excluded in these numbers.)
 

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