The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@Walter Hinteler,

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About 140,000 people in the UK are certificated to holding about 440,000 weapons.
Additionally, there are about 580,000 shotgun certificates for about 1.5 million shotguns.
(Shooting club certificates are excluded in these numbers.)

First 140,000 out of a population of what 30 millions or so is tiny next shotguns or even rifles have nothing at all to do with handguns. In the US we have over 300 millions weapons for a population of 300 millions

Now repeat real slowly I am talking about handguns repeat after me I am talking about handguns repeat once more handguns...........

Footnote my wife used to carry a riot shotgun for personal protection when she did travel by herself by way of her private plane flying in and out of tiny unmanned air fields at night or RVs but most people use a handgun for that task not a shotgun.

Next the type of shotgun she happen to had carry would not be legal in the UK by my understanding of their laws.

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@BillRM,

I'm not going to discuss this subject with you - I was just responding and tried to clarify your multiple "ban". (Handguns are thought to be weapons in the UK, I admit.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

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I'm not going to discuss this subject with you - I was just responding and tried to clarify your multiple "ban". (Handguns are thought to be weapons in the UK, I admit.)

Handguns are indeed weapons and as far as legal uses beside personal protection they are use in target shooting and to a lessor degree their are people that even hunt with them.

For myself not one of my handguns had taken a life human or animal or done any harm to anything alive.

I had used a BB gun to killed a large corner rat in my home in aid of my cats once in my life.

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@BillRM,

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the craziness that the Brit Olympic team needed to face over their laws.

Many a Roman noble would laugh at your NFL not fighting it out to the last man. They would think your players were not all that bothered about getting hold of the ball.

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@spendius,

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Many a Roman noble would laugh at your NFL not fighting it out to the last man. They would think your players were not all that bothered about getting hold of the ball.

What does that have to do with the English government silliness of not trusting their Olympic pistol team members to not go on a killing spree if allow to have access and to practice with their pistols in the UK instead of needing to travel outside the UK to practice????????

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

Well Florida is sunny, maybe too sunny and has baked the brains of a few posters.

Is that why you're babbling about imaginary laws?

glitterbag wrote:

So I'm not telling criminals what they can or can't do, it's pretty clearly defined in every State.

Actually what you're doing is telling law-abiding citizens to watch out for your imaginary laws.

glitterbag wrote:

all I can say is, don't drive impaired, or crazy like you sound) and 'please' obey traffic codes. I'd hate to see you (a supposed lawyer) get pulled over by a trooper who actually knows about ammo & what hollow points look like. Could be a problem.

Shouldn't be a problem unless it's one of those troopers who ignore actual law, and instead try to enforce Glitterbag's imaginary laws.

It's always a problem when you run into a trooper who is out to enforce Glitterbag's imaginary laws.

glitterbag wrote:

Especially since the police departments can't recruit the brightest officers, and they may not find you interesting, but I'm willing to bet they will haul your butt in and have your hollow points confiscated, and you will be fingerprinted and booked.

That could be profitable. How much are you willing to bet that a state trooper will enforce your imaginary laws?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

footnote my former state of NJ for some very strange reason do not allow you to carry hollow point rounds around only for firearms kept in your home or for range shooting but that is the only US state that I am aware of that have any such limit.

It probably hasn't escaped anyone's notice that gun control advocates tend to have a low IQ. There are exceptions, yes. But overall there is a strong trend towards stupidity in the movement.

The New Jersey legislature thought that having a hollow point made a bullet punch through armor, and that bullets could not punch through armor without that hollow point.

When they banned hollow-point ammo, they believed they were banning armor-piercing ammo.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

It seemed meaningless to me. What's a war? How are wars now fought? Who are the "honorable soldiers"?

The honorable soldiers are the ones who fight according to the Laws of War.

No massacring civilians, no rape and plunder, etc.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

I am saying that I trust the BBC and the NYT before your Brit gun club member including the craziness that the Brit Olympic team needed to face over their laws.

The confusion in this case comes from the meaning of the word "handgun".

The UK allows limited ownership of revolvers that are at least 24 inches long (shoulder stocks not allowed).

Whether or not a 24-inch-long revolver is actually a handgun is questionable. But the UK government calls them "handguns", and allows people to own them in highly limited circumstances.

These things that the UK government refers to as "handguns" are of no use to any Olympic athletes.

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@oralloy,

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The New Jersey legislature thought that having a hollow point made a bullet punch through armor, and that bullets could not punch through armor without that hollow point.

Not even NJ law makers can be that dumb as hollow points have far less ability to punch through anything very hard.

On contact of anything remotely solid it increased it surface area and thereby transferring it energy on or near the surface of the target.

The wounds channels resulting are a great deal larger but not as deep.

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@oralloy,

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The UK allows limited ownership of revolvers that are at least 24 inches long (shoulder stocks not allowed).

They call a firearm two feet long a handgun!!!!!!!!!!

I seems some real monster examples of handguns but never a two feet long handgun!!!!!

That sound more like the US civil war era experiments where revolver cylinders was used in carbines type weapons before the leveler action rifles came along.

Lord an at one time England produce the best personal weapons and gunsmiths in the world.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Not even NJ law makers can be that dumb

Sure they can. Most gun control lunatics are exactly that stupid.

And they were. That was the reason New Jersey banned hollow points.

BillRM wrote:

as hollow points have far less ability to punch through anything very hard.

Good luck getting a typical gun control lunatic to even understand which end of the gun the bullets come out of.

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@oralloy,

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The confusion in this case comes from the meaning of the word "handgun".

The UK allows limited ownership of revolvers that are at least 24 inches long (shoulder stocks not allowed).

Twenty-four inches is like calling a Thompson a handgun!!!!!!

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THE THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN
DATA

GUN

Overall length of gun with stock: 33 3/4".
Overall length of gun without stock: 25 1/4".
Weight (without magazine): 10 lbs.
Weight of gun with drum magazine, loaded:
50 rounds: 14 3/4 lbs.
Weight of gun with box magazine, loaded
20 rounds: 11 1/4 lbs.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

They call a firearm two feet long a handgun!!!!!!!!!!

Here's a page on them:
http://www.lcbmarksmen.co.uk/LBR.htm

Note the metal thing permanently attached to the grip so as to ensure that the gun complies with the 24 inch overall length requirement.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

They call a firearm two feet long a handgun!!!!!!!!!!

From the actual law:

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Small firearms
2.39 The 1997 Act prohibited, for the purposes of section 5 of the 1968 Act, any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30cm in length or is less than 60cm in length overall, other than an air weapon, a muzzle-loading gun or a firearm designed as signalling apparatus. The intention was to prohibit certain particularly dangerous firearms which were easy to conceal. In general terms, this has meant the prohibition of handguns but it is important to remember that the legislation does not refer explicitly to handguns; instead it refers to small firearms. For exemptions to the requirement to obtain the Secretary of State’s authority to possess prohibited firearms see

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@oralloy,

Thanks for the links and I can just see the reaction if I ever would show up at an American gun range with that whatever it is firearm.

In away it nice to know both that other nations have as many brain dead politicians as we do and a people that will put up with such silliness from them.

My bet is if it was not for our founding fathers and the second amendment our smallest "handguns" would be a least 30 inches long.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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The intention was to prohibit certain particularly dangerous firearms which were easy to conceal.

Will you are sure the hell are not going to be concealing those monsters short of carrying around a trombone case as the 1930s gangsters did to conceal Tommy guns.

Of course there are always hacksaws but even then I would not think they would prove to be a worthwhile firearm.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The UK allows limited ownership of revolvers that are at least 24 inches long (shoulder stocks not allowed).

According to the Firearms Licensing Law that only refers to historic /blackpowder) pistols/revolvers (and actually it's a barrel longer than 12″ and a total length longer than 24″, if you transfer the length to inches)

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@BillRM,

To clarify: I didn't write that law nor the previous nor am I or have been a Member of Parliament.

If you don't understand the actual law - try the Guidance on Firearms Licensing Law

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@BillRM,

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What does that have to do with the English government silliness of not trusting their Olympic pistol team members to not go on a killing spree if allow to have access and to practice with their pistols in the UK instead of needing to travel outside the UK to practice????????

It is cheaper Bill to have the team practice abroad and to let others listen to the banging going off. How would you legislate for them to practice with banned guns? The teams don't all live in the same area and their members are always changing. Besides--there's junkets for the officials to think about. It has nothing to do with fears of team members going on killing sprees. It has to do with one load of school-kids being offed by a madman being quite sufficient for our patience.

I would withdraw from the competitions.

If you can't see the point of my reference to Roman times I guess it is too late now to try to explain it to you.

Why is "unnecessary roughage" penalised when it's what the paying customers have come to see? And the game itself is unnecessary roughage because they could all be playing bowls or redecorating the master bedroom again.

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