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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
oralloy
 
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Wed 12 Feb, 2014 12:49 am
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:
Frankly, I happen to agree with her assessment of Romeo.

It seemed to me like Romeo was just the latest victim of name-calling from the left.

Though I guess I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the details of her attack against him. I'm thinking more about ".45s verses 9MMs" at the moment.

I suppose OmSigDAVID recommends going with a .44 special?

Anyway, Olympics seem done for the night, so I might be hitting the sack. Night everyone!
wmwcjr
 
  1  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 01:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I don t limit myself
ONLY to commenting on posts
that have been directed to ME.


I understand. That's fine. You should feel free to respond to anyone's comments.

I was simply concerned there might have been a communication failure. Misunderstandings aren't exactly unheard of in website forums. Everything's cool! Cool

By the way, a certain unnamed individual would come to regret the imposition of Sharia law because he would eventually be persecuted for his religion.

(This is my last post for tonight. Doctor's orders.)
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BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 01:37 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
My dad was, what was your dad doing?


What an odd question but my Dad was in the south pacific in a forward base patching up B-29s that could not make it back to their bases after bombing Japan.

One interesting family footnote is that under no condition was he to be allow to fall into enemy hands alive as he was train on the then top secret Norden bombsight.

Oh, he was the most peaceful and loving father any son could wish for and a loving husband to my mother all his life.

Quote:
if Sharia law ever takes root


Where did that silly concern come from? In any case the Trayvons of this world are not going to be too useful in mounting a defend for anyone nation, as it take far more then a willingness to hurt others to made a military man and none of those character traits seem to exist in the Trayvons of this world.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 12 Feb, 2014 02:17 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I suppose OmSigDAVID recommends going with a .44 special?
That sounds ideal,
if it is loaded with hollowpointed slugs.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  2  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 02:43 am
Quote:
BillRM said: my Dad was in the south pacific in a forward base patching up B-29s

Good for him..Smile

B-29 taking off from Saipan
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub3/B29-saipanDec44.jpg
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 12 Feb, 2014 02:53 am
Incidentally I started a thread about Zim's gun over at the PrepperForumsNet-

http://www.prepperforums.net/forum/pistols-revolvers/6207-zimmerman-s-gun.html
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 06:11 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
I wonder when Holder is going to stop playing with himself over his investigation of Zimmerman and released Zimmerman gun back to him.

My guess is it could bring in around 30,000 for Zimmerman in an auction.

It might be worth Zimmerman time and money to sue the DOJ over it.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 06:26 am
@BillRM,
I just can t understand how any American
can opt to bet his life on such a crude gun
when there are GOOD guns around. Maybe he just cheaped out. I dunno.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 06:41 am
@OmSigDAVID,
He likely figure the odds of him needing it was small enough that this level of protection is good enough and he happen to had been proven correct this time.

Given how many death threats he had gotten I assume he up the likely threat model and got himself a more deadly carry gun.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 06:47 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
He likely figure the odds of him needing it was small enough
that this level of protection is good enough and he happen
to had been proven correct this time.

Given how many death threats he had gotten
I assume he up the likely threat model and
got himself a more deadly carry gun.
I read that his pistol
failed to eject the shell; i.e., there 'd have been no 2nd round,
no matter how much he needed it in that emergency,
until he cleared that jam, with Travon sitting on him.

U don t get problems like that with REVOLVERS.

I think revolvers are what Nature intended.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 07:12 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
U don t get problems like that with REVOLVERS.

I think revolvers are what Nature intended.


Agree and I had just watched a dash cam video of a woman cop who gun jammed in the middle of a firefight and she needed to do a lot of dodging before backup came on scene.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 12 Feb, 2014 10:50 am
Quote:
BillRM said: I wonder when Holder is going to stop playing with himself over his investigation of Zimmerman and released Zimmerman gun back to him.
My guess is it could bring in around 30,000 for Zimmerman in an auction.
It might be worth Zimmerman time and money to sue the DOJ over it.

Yeah and meantime he could cash in with other enterprises such as-
1- Writing his life story for a best-selling book and also selling the film rights to hollywood
2- Striking a deal with a toy manufacturer to produce Zimmerman Action Dolls
3- Sign up with a record company to sing gunfighter ballads of the Old West
4- Sign a deal with Kellogs to include little plastic toy replicas of his gun in cereal boxes..
5- Do a deal with Keltec to re-name the gun the "Zimmerman Special" to boost sales..

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/zim-gun_zps2d298afb.jpg~original
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Baldimo
 
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Wed 12 Feb, 2014 10:58 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I have to say, I think you guys are basing your judgments on semi-auto pistols on older models. Modern semi-auto handguns are very very reliable. I have 3 semi-auto's and have only had a problem when they were not cleaned properly. I tested it once about a year ago. My Beretta went through 3 different shooting trips without a cleaning, so maybe something like 900 rounds through it without a cleaning. It performed perfectly until the last 20 rounds for the 3rd trip, when it stated jamming. Once cleaned and maintained properly, I haven't had an issue since, and I have gone through at least 1000 rounds since then with no jams.

With semi-auto's, it is important to keep them cleaned and oiled. If you don't, then you are inviting jams and other feed issues.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 11:30 am
@Baldimo,
Sorry but I am assuming the cop in the video had an up to date firearm that jam on her at the worst possible moment.

I take care of my firearms and never have a auto that would not jam from time to time which is ok on a range not in a firefight.

To be trueful my autos are not of the newest designs but they are not cheap weapons either such as the colt combat commander 45.

In any case, I would not depend on an auto for life and death situations but feel free to do so.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 11:43 am
@BillRM,
Sure she had an up to date firearm, but was it clean and properly oiled? I'm speaking from experience with semi-auto's that are less then 8 years old. I have NEVER had an issue with either my full size or compact Smith & Wesson M&P 40's. I have to have at least 2000 rounds through each of the guns and once again no issues.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 11:52 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
I have to say, I think you guys are basing your judgments on semi-auto pistols on older models. Modern semi-auto handguns are very very reliable. I have 3 semi-auto's and have only had a problem when they were not cleaned properly. I tested it once about a year ago. My Beretta went through 3 different shooting trips without a cleaning, so maybe something like 900 rounds through it without a cleaning. It performed perfectly until the last 20 rounds for the 3rd trip, when it stated jamming. Once cleaned and maintained properly, I haven't had an issue since, and I have gone through at least 1000 rounds since then with no jams.

With semi-auto's, it is important to keep them cleaned and oiled.
If you don't, then you are inviting jams and other feed issues.
U bet your life on their functioning correctly; big stakes.
The point has been made that Zimmy suffered a failure to eject
the shell from his 1 and only discharged round; i.e., if he had needed
to discharge more rounds, he 'd have been screwn. The great glory of pistols is bigger magazines.
Jamming negates their value.

Note also that with revolvers, u need not rotate magazines at nite
to relieve tension on the follower spring. Revolvers r much faster n easier to clean.
With revolvers, u need not police your brass before leaving the scene, if such be your choice,
after a defensive emergency. Even with his acquittal, Zimmy purportedly owes $2,5OO,OOO
in fees to legal counsel because his name was identified to this defensive event.
If there were no witnesses, then some successful defenders can prudently,
discreetly (furtively? surreptitiously? clandestinely?) depart hence.

Maybe Bernie Goetz had a better filosofy of traveling.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 12 Feb, 2014 12:08 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I take care of my firearms and never have an auto that would not jam from time to time
which is ok on a range, not in a firefight. . .

In any case, I would not depend on an auto for life and death situations but feel free to do so.
WELL SAID, Bill

Thay shud put that on every $1 bill, to promote safety!
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BillRM
 
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Wed 12 Feb, 2014 02:01 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Sure she had an up to date firearm, but was it clean and properly oiled? I'


Weapons that are not just target range queens are not always in perfect condition for one thing they are exposed to the elements if carry every day such as cops happen to do for example.

A firearm that is not a range queen should function correctly no matter what the treatment and environment it is subject to and a good revolver will do so and even a high price auto can not be depended on to that degree.

When I pull the trigger on my SW model 19 357 revolver I know that all the rounds will go down range one after another and I do not know that with my colt commander 45.

OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 02:16 pm
@BillRM,
How did u select the S & W Model 19, Bill??

https://www.google.com/search?q=Smith+%26+Wesson+model+19&tbm=isch&imgil=ZZ1e074yb7bryM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcSYeBtTPH-29UmwqhKkXrhoqJL59xIQL9m2jaEc0M7valM7lZDW%253B400%253B250%253BL4RVi8R04U5eNM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.imfdb.org%25252Fwiki%25252FSmith_%2525252526_Wesson_Model_19&source=iu&usg=__IVqE7k7lpTcI1fLZ1E1HyK6LoYc%3D&sa=X&ei=odX7UvG2O9S_kQfgtIDADA&ved=0CCkQ9QEwAQ&biw=1763&bih=891&dpr=0.9#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=_6zkmU7BNnVigM%253A%3BhY_C2nFwxV3yeM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fdragon.hematite.com%252FM19q1.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ftilicattper21.soup.io%252Fpost%252F378155148%252Fmodel-19-smith-wesson-for-sale%3B700%3B433
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Baldimo
 
  1  
Wed 12 Feb, 2014 03:00 pm
@BillRM,
Once again I say you guys are basing you opinion on old semi-auto technology. Would I put my life on the line with any of my weapons? Damn straight I would. Any weapon that I get is researched. Have you seen the field tests done on the Glock? You name a condition and they test it. Water, dirt, mud, ice, run them over and blow them up. It is something to witness and I suggest you watch the video before you talk about the unreliability of semi-auto guns.

Tav TV Glock torture test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd_LUmB5e8




A "range queen"? I'm sorry but keeping a clean weapon is the one of the first lessons you learn about gun safety. A clean weapon is a functioning weapon. Do you remember the problem with the M-16 in Vietnam? People didn't keep it clean and it jammed. There is never an excuse for a dirty gun, and anyone who doesn't clean their weapon after using it, is asking for trouble. A dirty weapon is a sign of a careless gun owner. I'm not against revolver's, but I do prefer my semi-auto's that shoot either 9mm or 40sw, I can't get a revolver that shoots those common rounds. By the way 9mm is in short supply, but I can pick up 40sw anytime.
 

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