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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  3  
Thu 6 Feb, 2014 08:54 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
It wasn't Zimmerman's job to keep his neighborhood safe
He was a good guy, volunteer! A Good Samaritan!





David
firefly
 
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Thu 6 Feb, 2014 09:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
He was a good guy, volunteer! A Good Samaritan!

Had Zimmerman been a Good Samaritan he would have driven over to Martin, introduced himself, and asked him if everything was all right and whether he needed any help.

He was not, and is not, "a good guy". He is an abuser of women and a child killer.


BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 6 Feb, 2014 10:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
firefly wrote:
It wasn't Zimmerman's job to keep his neighborhood safe
He was a good guy, volunteer! A Good Samaritan!


When Hurricane Andrew in 1992 knocked out most of public services in south florida it was neighbors who came forward to cover the lack.

Some of my neighbors patrolling armed with shotguns kept looters away from the remains of my home and hundreds of others.

When a sniper went up into the Texas tower and begin killing at random in the 1970s it was citizens who pin him down with return rifle fire and a armed citizen who went up into that tower with a police officer and ended the matter.

This nation have a long history of citizens either taking over law enforcement tasks at need or helping out as Zimmerman was doing.

firefly
 
  1  
Thu 6 Feb, 2014 11:54 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
This nation have a long history of citizens either taking over law enforcement tasks at need or helping out as Zimmerman was doing

Zimmerman's alleged "helping out" ended when he called the non-emergency police number to report a "suspicious" person.

Everything that happened after that was Zimmerman acting out his own craziness and wannabe cop fantasies. And his reckless actions caused, what the police investigation concluded, was an avoidable and needless death.

So stop trying to peddle the BS that he was needed to take over any "law enforcement tasks"--the police adamantly don't want neighborhood watch volunteers doing that--nor did they need him to "help out" by stalking, and possibly trying to detain, Trayvon Martin--the police dispatcher specifically told Zimmerman they didn't need him to do that, in addition to it being in violation of neighborhood watch rules.

A police force he applied to rejected Zimmerman as an unsuitable applicant--they knew what they were doing.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 12:07 am
@firefly,
Quote:
He was a good guy, volunteer! A Good Samaritan!
firefly wrote:
Had Zimmerman been a Good Samaritan he would have driven over to Martin,
introduced himself, and asked him if everything was all right and whether he needed any help.
No, no, no, u r CONFUSED. The GOODNESS of the Samaritan
was directed toward his community, e.g., the beauteous Olivia,
who (with her baby) fell victim to black burglars; terrified.
If he were going to offer Martin help,
that wud have been to break the locks on the doors.

Zimmy was trying to get Martin into jail.
For that purpose, he called the police
and he wanted them to be able to FIND him.





firefly wrote:
He was not, and is not, "a good guy".
He is an abuser of women and a child killer.
As far as I recall,
the only ABUSE of which he was accused
was of hollering at his wife, not harming her.
(Correct me if I 'm rong.)
Did u ever yell at a woman???

Did u ever have a woman scream at YOU ??
BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 7 Feb, 2014 09:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
As far as I recall,
the only ABUSE of which he was accused
was of hollering at his wife, not harming her.
(Correct me if I 'm rong.)


footnote the crazy large percents of all women who been a victim of domestic violence found in surveys is the results of considering women who been curse at and such as victims of domestic violence.

If you get into a fight with your better half and used bad language you are an abuser by those surveys if not by the law.

But fear not I am sure that the fireflies of the world are working at changing the laws so any cursing or such would get a man lock up if not a woman.

Now as far as his wife and then his girlfriend no black and blue marks on either of them however with his wife there was an issue of a broken Ipad and a mark on his wife father and with his girlfriend as he was packing up to leave she claimed he pointed a shotgun at her.

Seem an odd thing for him to do as he was trying to leave her and the home at the time and the girlfriend change her story afterward.

An if memory serve me correctly Zimmerman claimed his wife was hitting him with the Ipad and he took it away from her and broke it.
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Advocate
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 10:06 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
This nation have a long history of citizens either taking over law enforcement tasks at need or helping out as Zimmerman was doing

Zimmerman's alleged "helping out" ended when he called the non-emergency police number to report a "suspicious" person.

Everything that happened after that was Zimmerman acting out his own craziness and wannabe cop fantasies. And his reckless actions caused, what the police investigation concluded, was an avoidable and needless death.

So stop trying to peddle the BS that he was needed to take over any "law enforcement tasks"--the police adamantly don't want neighborhood watch volunteers doing that--nor did they need him to "help out" by stalking, and possibly trying to detain, Trayvon Martin--the police dispatcher specifically told Zimmerman they didn't need him to do that, in addition to it being in violation of neighborhood watch rules.

A police force he applied to rejected Zimmerman as an unsuitable applicant--they knew what they were doing.





I read that the 911 operator told Z not to follow Martin, but to keep him in the line of sight. Z tried to do this, but lost sight of M. Later, M walked up to Z and sucker-punched him.
BillRM
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 10:51 am
@Advocate,
Quote:
I read that the 911 operator told Z not to follow Martin,


You read wrong the 911 operator first of all have no power to tell Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon and his comment was you do not need to do that.

There is no indication that he kept following Trayvon afterward and it look like Trayvon turn back and attacked Zimmerman after Zimmerman was no longer following him

In any case, following or not following Trayvon did not grant any license for Trayvon to launch an attacked on Zimmerman and the whole matter of whether and when Zimmerman was following him is beside the point and a phony issue

Advocate
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 11:08 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
I read that the 911 operator told Z not to follow Martin,


You read wrong the 911 operator first of all have no power to tell Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon and his comment was you do not need to do that.

There is no indication that he kept following Trayvon afterward and it look like Trayvon turn back and attacked Zimmerman after Zimmerman was no longer following him

In any case, following or not following Trayvon did not grant any license for Trayvon to launch an attacked on Zimmerman and the whole matter of whether and when Zimmerman was following him is beside the point and a phony issue




Strangely, I didn't say anything different from what you said.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 11:15 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
I read that the 911 operator told Z not to follow Martin,


You read wrong the 911 operator first of all have no power to tell Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon and his comment was you do not need to do that.

There is no indication that he kept following Trayvon afterward and it look like Trayvon turn back and attacked Zimmerman after Zimmerman was no longer following him

In any case, following or not following Trayvon did not grant any license for Trayvon to launch an attacked on Zimmerman and the whole matter of whether and when Zimmerman was following him is beside the point and a phony issue




Strangely, I didn't say anything different from what you said.


I've always wondered if Martin had simply hidden...and then when Zimmerman caught up...killed him, claiming he felt threatened.

Wonder what would have happened then.

BillRM
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 11:40 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I've always wondered if Martin had simply hidden...and then when Zimmerman caught up...killed him, claiming he felt threatened.


Sure that how Zimmerman gotten a broken nose and wounds on the back of his head!!!!!!!!!!!!!
firefly
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 12:10 pm
@BillRM,
You don't know what Zimmerman was doing that might have provoked Martin to punch him in the nose.

The last thing Rachel Jeantel heard Martin say (to Zimmerman) was, "Get off of me."

That sounds like Zimmerman grabbed him in some way, possibly by the arm, after Zimmerman approached him. Zimmerman may have also reached for his gun with his other hand.

Of course, if Zimmerman had remained in his car, the confrontation would not have happened. It was Zimmerman who pursued Martin, and, in doing that, caused a needless and avoidable death. And his failure to ever identify himself to Martin, was likely an additional contributory factor in provoking the teen to punch him.

And even the police investigator that night did not believe Zimmerman's version of events because his very minor injuries were not consistent with any beating or head-pounding. He had a slight nosebleed and two tiny scrapes on the back of his head. And, once the blood under his nose was wiped away, he really looked fine, and his nose required no medical treatment. It was never verified that his nose was broken--it did not appear broken, and he never bothered to have it x-rayed.

And, that single punch, was all Martin threw at him. What occurred after that may have been a struggle over the gun--because Zimmerman already had it in his hand.




OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 12:19 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
This nation have a long history of citizens either taking over law enforcement tasks
at need or helping out as Zimmerman was doing.
Sovereignty is in the citizen,
not in his low life employee.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 12:42 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
You don't know what Zimmerman was doing that might have
provoked Martin to punch him in the nose.
The use of speculative, conjectural language contributes NO VALUE to our knowledge.




firefly wrote:
The last thing Rachel Jeantel heard Martin say (to Zimmerman) was, "Get off of me."
U have no way of knowing that.
She is an ADMITTED liar, multiple liar.



firefly wrote:
That sounds like Zimmerman grabbed him in some way, possibly by the arm,
after Zimmerman approached him. Zimmerman may have
also reached for his gun with his other hand.
U guess at that; with as much validity,
I can guess that Zimmy was turning wood into gold



firefly wrote:
Of course, if Zimmerman had remained in his car,
the confrontation would not have happened.
Of course, Zimmy had NO REASON to stay in his car.
Does Firefly always stay in her car???
Is she still in there now???




firefly wrote:
It was Zimmerman who pursued Martin,
He was really a nice guy
to do that for us. Many folks (me included)
woud have been too lazy to do it.



firefly wrote:
and, in doing that, caused a needless and avoidable death.
So now, those of us in Florida have one fewer
violent street thug to endanger us.

It surpasses ineffability to express how delightful
it is outside in South Florida; the lovely breezes!!!



firefly wrote:
And his failure to ever identify himself to Martin,
was likely an additional contributory factor in provoking the teen to punch him.
Really???? Tell us the difference in those odds, please.
When someone in a public place fails to identify himself,
do u slam his head on the street, Firefly???





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 7 Feb, 2014 12:46 pm

It looks like all those THREATS from the blacks
against Zimmy 's life, were a bunch of lies.

Its been A WHILE since the trial.
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firefly
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 01:04 pm
Quote:
Why We Hope the DMX/George Zimmerman ‘Celebrity Boxing’ Match Doesn’t Happen
February 7, 2014
By Dan Weiss

One of the more memorable songs of New York folk-punk singer Ed Hamell’s career as Hamell on Trial is called “Don’t Kill.” Simple enough, right? He narrates from the POV of the big dude upstairs about that very commandment: “Was it the ‘thou’ part that threw you?” “Shalt not means ‘don’t,’” etc. Then as an aside: “I thought I etched this in stone!”

When it was announced this week that semi-retired rapper DMX is negotiating a contract to fight 2010’s most-hated American villain, hubristic acquitted murderer George Zimmerman, in a presumably televised “celebrity boxing” match, it’s hard not to imagine DMX killing Zimmerman with his bare hands.

Why? Because this is not a “post-racial” America and when several of its denizens have revenge fantasies—what ’90s movie was it where the doomed heroine yelled “My boyfriend’s big and black and he can kick your ass!” Scream?—the beat-down is often imagined to be delivered by a bald, ripped, gold-chain-clad muscle museum like Earl Simmons. Just substitute Mr. T or Samuel L. Jackson or your Blaxploitation hero of choice. Maybe throw in a few MF bombs and you’ve got all the makings of a bankable fiction.

This, however, isn’t fiction. It’s also gross.

We know these fantasies because of the uncountable number of times throughout recorded history that a white person lied to the police about describing a suspect as black, even—especially—regarding a rape or murder. Works of art that are not taken lightly, from Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mockingbird to Congressional Medal recipient Bob Dylan’s “Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll,” center on this injustice because it’s real, and because real resonates.

This realness is right here among us, souring the air with the nervous realization that the unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive if he wasn’t presumed a dangerous criminal. But this is a possible assumption up against a definite reality: Martin is dead because of unclear actions taken in a struggle after realizing he was being followed by someone. A possible murderer versus a definite murderer.

It’s all too perfect a setup to make us itchy for someone, perhaps a black rapper who’s spent a bit of time at the gym and made his household name by barking into a microphone, to respond with irrational violence. Do we want Zimmerman to die? Do we want a black person to go to jail for manslaughter, televised no less? Or do we just want to see his ass kicked a little, to watch him feel pain and humiliation on a national scale, to beat up the real boogeyman, while reinforcing Zimmerman’s imaginary boogeyman, the Dangerous Black Guy Who Wants Him Dead?

The online civil rights organization, ColorOfChange.org wants DMX to bow out of the event because they say it will only “further exploit a dead young black man for personal gain, while framing this commercial spectacle as an opportunity for ‘justice’ for Trayvon.” The organization has gone as far as to start a petition that they hope will show the rapper that justice for Trayvon and others will not be acquired through more violence. “The only thing George Zimmerman’s ‘celebrity’ boxing match accomplishes is driving money and attention to a violent sociopath and his bottom-feeder promoter,” the petition states.

Mike Tyson also weighed in on the prospective fight in an interview on Chicago’s sports radio show, 670 THE SCORE on WSCR-AM 670 (a Radio.com station), saying the battle was just rewarding “bad behavior” and putting Zimmerman “back in the spotlight.” Tyson also noted that there’s a big difference between a street fight and a legitimate boxing match explaining, ”DMX is gonna realize…that boxing in the ring is totally different than boxing in the streets. He’s going to find out in the first five seconds if he’s not in condition for this stuff.”

When asked whether he would like to switch places with DMX and take a shot in the ring with Zimmerman himself, Tyson quickly said no. “All this stuff is built around hate,” Tyson said, “and I don’t want to be around nothing that’s built around hate.”

Even DMX isn’t sure if he’ll agree to the fight, telling an interviewer yesterday (Feb. 6), ”Well, I was challenged. I was challenged. I still haven’t really decided whether I was going to do it. But if I did do it, whatever money that was supposed to go to [Zimmerman] would have to go to charity.”

Adding, “I will gladly beat the s*** out of him.”

Not everyone who wants to see Zimmerman get his on TV is a bad person. But their real pain is being exploited, as TV is wont to do. Zimmerman has likely been advised that this is some sort of plea bargain with America, that he’d be showing what a good sport he is by taking a dive in front of the whole country—how bad could he be if he lets one of those black people beat him senseless to entertain us? To what end? To test his primetime-ness for a reality show? To restore his good name? The only reason we know his name at all is because he slaughtered a teenager. Zimmerman is not an entertainer, and Gladiator was a movie, not a treatise for coping with collective feelings of injustice.

If you want to feel sick, try to imagine the announcer giving the “and in this corner…” speech in that exaggerated voice about Zimmerman. What hyperbolic feats and nicknames could he come up with? “Killer of unarmed teen”? “Racist”? “Wife abuser”? These aren’t clever because they aren’t jokes; I am trying and failing to think of what could be said that would give this the jovial spin of a real sporting event. There’s a reason we no longer throw our problem citizens to the lions in a Colosseum. Torture and humiliation and death aren’t justice. As far as entertainment goes, violence is violence. So let’s hope DMX—or The Game, another rapper who announced publicly that he’d love to do this thing—get talked out of this by a little bit of perspective. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Was it the “don’t” part that threw you?

http://news.radio.com/2014/02/07/dmx-george-zimmerman-celebrity-boxing-match-not-happening/
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 01:09 pm
@firefly,
Did Tyson threaten to eat Zimmy 's ear??
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firefly
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 01:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
It looks like all those THREATS from the blacks
against Zimmy 's life, were a bunch of lies.

Well, it was Zimmerman's brother, Robert Zimmerman, Jr. who promoted all those lies.

Lying seems second nature to the Zimmermans. You do remember the elaborate scheme George Zimmerman concocted to conceal his assets from the judge presiding over his bail hearing, don't you? He had no compunctions about lying directly to the court, or to his own attorney.

And Zimmerman's version of the events surrounding his killing of Trayvon Martin had numerous inconsistencies and assertions which conflicted with the physical evidence and suggested, to the police, and to the prosecutor, that he was exaggerating, embellishing, and lying, about what actually took place.

Quote:
So now, those of us in Florida have one fewer
violent street thug to endanger us.

No, unfortunately, George Zimmerman, the thug with a long documented history of violent behaviors, the one a Police Chief described as "a ticking time bomb", is still walking the streets.

cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 01:28 pm
@firefly,
All these people you're trying to have an intelligent discussion with is a total waste of time! They don't have any common sense or understand anything about their hero, Zimmerman, the guy who's had frequent run-ins with the police - and who now has legal problems with copy right laws.

They're all sick in the head, and unreliable sources for any information.

Save yourself some sanity and time from these crazies.
BillRM
 
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Fri 7 Feb, 2014 01:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
They're all sick in the head, and unreliable sources for any information.


Hmm so anyone such as myself who dare to disagree with you over the Zimmerman/Trayvon issue is sick in the head and unreliable and I am assuming by logic that would also go for the threads where we happen to agreement such as the Snowden thread.
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