The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@firefly,

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Guns are simple, guns are inanimate, guns can't reject or ridicule them, guns make them feel "manly", guns make them feel powerful, and help to quell all those infantile anxieties and inadequacies these misfits are still burdened with. And thinking and talking about guns is a form of mutual masturbation for them. It's a rather transparent homosexual bonding that goes on with all this gun talk--penis waving and stroking at its most immature level.

Now, that's telling it like it is with these gun-loving over life idiots.

They're not only social misfits, but their love of guns goes beyond what anyone can consider as "normal."

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@Baldimo,

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You must be suffering from dick envy of some sort.

What on earth makes you think your dick is worth envying? Laughing

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@Frank Apisa,

BillRM wrote:

The police should be force back to revolvers and taught how to shoot them instead of pointing their semi-auto in the general direction of concern and emptying a 17 rounds magazine or two.

We have had a local case of a gun fight between police and a man in a car who had already shot one cop.

The police full the air with hundreds of rounds resulting not only with the bad guy being killed but a number of cops being wounded by friendly fire and surrounding buildings all shot up.

Only luck kept innocent bystanders from being killed.

Frank Apisa wrote:

And the cops get lots and lots of all that "training" you guys say
make guns safe for school kids!

As a true, liberal, u r twisting & distorting
what I advocated. I said that thay SHUD get that training
to keep them safe. I did not say that thay were presently getting it in school.
Those schools are derelict in their responsibility.

David

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@cicerone imposter,

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They're not only social misfits, but their love of guns goes beyond what anyone can consider as "normal."

LOL mankind evolve as a tool/weapon making animal and as a result most of us have an interest in weapons hardwire into our very being.

The social misfits and the evolution misfits seems more those who are lacking in the interest in weapons of all types.

There is something very wrong with you CI as far as the norm of our species is concern.

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@BillRM,

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The social misfits and the evolution misfits seems more those who are lacking in the interest in weapons of all types.

No, dummy, you're the one still mired in the cave-man "who's carrying the bigger club" mentality.

It's brain power that moves civilization forward, and you're sorely lacking in that department, beside your evident inadequacies in terms of social skills and ability to relate to others on a purely human level.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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And the cops get lots and lots of all that "training" you guys say make guns safe for school kids

Been on the gun range a lot with police officers as the one range I go to is own by the county and therefore is free to used by any local police officer.

Have not as a whole been impress with their gun handling skills even if a few did impress me.

The minimum yearly skill test they need to meet is not all that high and since they went to auto with large mags it seems that too many of them are depending on putting out a wall of fire instead of accurate shooting.

Or to put it another way in my opinion their training or at least how they employ their training in the real world suck.

So, Bill...you are saying that even the training given to police officers is not enough...but you want to see more ordinary citizens armed. Do you honestly think non-cops will be better trained than cops???

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@Frank Apisa,

Some people here might think that non-cops might be better trained than cops because they hadn't been taught that they had the right to bully the rest of us.

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@spendius,

George Zimmerman seems to feel he has the right to bully others--and he uses his gun, or threatens to use it, to do just that.

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@firefly,

GZ is an individual ff. There's no accounting for what one of them might do and you can't build any theories on what it is one of them does.

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@spendius,

You can build a theory about the kind of people supporting and championing Zimmerman in this thread.

They seem to all be the same type of angry inadequate male that Zimmerman is.

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@firefly,

That's got a bit more traction.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

You can build a theory about the kind of people supporting and championing Zimmerman in this thread.

They seem to all be the same type of angry inadequate male that Zimmerman is.

You are a great example of the instruction that, when you have neither the facts nor the law on your side, mount a personal attack on your opponent.

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@Advocate,

What opponent? I'm not debating an opponent.

I'm reflecting on the constant, and essentially juvenile gun-talk, that keeps erupting in this thread, which serves mainly to derail the topic in order to satisfy the homosexual bonding, and need for mutual masturbation, of a few, rather immature males with relatively poor social skills.

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BillRM said: The police should be force back to revolvers and taught how to shoot them instead of pointing their semi-auto in the general direction of concern and emptying a 17 rounds magazine or two.
We have had a local case of a gun fight between police and a man in a car who had already shot one cop.
The police full the air with hundreds of rounds resulting not only with the bad guy being killed but a number of cops being wounded by friendly fire and surrounding buildings all shot up.
Only luck kept innocent bystanders from being killed

Yeah, I'd suggest every patrol car has an M-16 rifle with telescopic sight clipped under the dash so that officers can deliver precise aimed shots (preferably headshots) when the situation demands it.
It's impossible to miss with a tele-sight.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Why don't you just go back to playing video games, Romeo, and leave police work to the real cops.

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Firefly said: Why don't you just go back to playing video games, Romeo, and leave police work to the real cops

But mate, I can walk the walk and put myself in harm's way just like Zimmerman and all other public-spirited citizens who step up to the plate to keep their neighbourhoods safe!
As I've boasted in A2K previously, I got a 3-month jail sentence in 2001 on a VIGILANTE rap for going up against a black drug gang, how kool is that.. Smile

Romeo on patrol-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/POS-swagger2_zps8e311a2c.jpg~original

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@firefly,

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An inadequate man? Inadequate definitely, but man?

Yes; only a Man is able to type.

firefly wrote:

Well, hardly a man in terms of maturity level.

IF u allege that such a "maturity level" exists,
then please CITE TO IT, and quote it.
If u don t, then u show yourself for an emotional charlatan,
faking it, making things up as u go along.

firefly wrote:

There is something inherently juvenile about the constant,
and rather obsessive, descent into gun talk that BillRM
and his cronies in this thread engage in.

Yea; I 'm still young at heart
and guns are FUN.
As to being "obsessive" about it: I m guilty as charged!
I stand with Thomas Jefferson when he advised his 12 year old nephew
to take his gun with him whenever he goes out for a walk
and to PRACTICE with it, for proficiency.
Tell Jefferson that he was "inherently juvenile".

firefly wrote:

It's like watching a group of adolescent misfits
retreating to their club house

REALLY?? Have u done that ofen??
Do the adolescents KNOW that you are watching them????
Do u take pictures of those "mifits"?? Invite them into your kitchen for milk and cookies, and . . .

How old are those "misfits" that u tell us occupy your attention??
Do their parents know that you are looking at them????

firefly wrote:

where they can boast and brag amongst themselves,

"BRAG" about what???
I 've been around guns all of my life (above age 8),
but I have not bragged. Do u mean accuracy?
The targets show how good we were; no controversy.

firefly wrote:

while ignoring the painful reality that, compared to their more adequate,
and better functioning, peers, they are marginalized social losers.

Most of the young gunners with whom I associated in my youth were good on the debating team
and grew up to be successful, wealthy attorneys. What 's your problem, Firefly???

firefly wrote:

When a lack of really adequate social skills becomes evident in even
forum postings, as it does with this group, one can only imagine how
limited and inadequate their real life social functioning is.

I guess that you are very busy imagining, right?? Nothing better to do?

firefly wrote:

Guns are simple, guns are inanimate, guns can't reject or ridicule them,

Yes, inanimate beauties; mine are anyway.
I have a fairly decent eye for beauty in guns.
The police have accosted me in gunnery ranges
to commend me upon the beauty of my ordnance.
Their favorite has been my blued .38 caliber Taurus G85
with polished rosewood grips and gold trim on the hammer,
trigger and cylinder release latch.
Then I have several bright silver colored single action revolvers
and, of course my genuine 9mm 194O German Luger P-O8,
with its 55 degree rakishly angled handle. It must have some provenance!

firefly wrote:

guns make them feel "manly",

O, really???????
What is your source of data on this, Firefly???
I 've had guns for well over half a century and I never had that happen,
tho I DID feel more secure at age 8, when I got a gun to defend my home, if necessary.

firefly wrote:

guns make them feel powerful,[????]

WHAT is the source of your information on this point ?
I don t feel "powerful", as I walk thru the world. I never did.
I remember in school, when I was 13, a girl named Joyce
with whom I was passionately in love, rejected me:
I felt 1OO% devoid of power.
All I cud do was hang my head and walk away, no power from my guns.
On the other hand, a few decades later, someone shot at me,
whereupon I had the ability to defend my life and property

http://www.proguns.com/images/used-guns/usedguns247-904/278taurus445.jpg

but the bad guys fled when thay saw my defensive abilities.
I think that thay were hoping for a monopoly of power.
U think thay felt cheated ??

firefly wrote:

And thinking and talking about guns is a form of mutual masturbation for them.

Do u look in the windows
of that "clubhouse" that u mentioned,
in hope of seeing the juvenile misfits DOING that ???

firefly wrote:

It's a rather transparent homosexual bonding that goes on with
all this gun talk--penis waving and stroking at its most immature level.

Did u ask the boys that u were watching, to do the penis waving thing ?
Did u offer them money??

firefly wrote:

The grim realities of gun violence really can't penetrate or disrupt
their essentially childish infatuation with these weapons,
and they continue to prove that in thread after thread.

Yes, I enjoy my guns now as well as I did at age 8.
The idea, the libertarian idea, is for the victims
to kill the predators. U authoritarians want the predators
to have A MONOPOLY OF POWER over the victims.
We and the USSC say: No.

As I type this, the TV news is discussing kidnapped n murdered young girls
of years ago. I wish that those victims had been well armed
with concealed guns, better than the one that Zimmy used.
DEFENSIVE GUNS ARE THE FOUNTAIN OF LIFE.

Being un-armed is like drunken driving: u 'll probably be OK,
but its irresponsible.

David

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@Frank Apisa,

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So, Bill...you are saying that even the training given to police officers is not enough

Even the training????????

LOL who said that the firearm training of the average police officer is all that good?

FBI does a fine job and large cities swat teams get the proper training but most police officers does not get that level of training.

Also there is a difference standards between the training needed to allow a police officer to do his law enforcement job for a whole career and the training for a citizen to carry a weapon for self protection.

Most citizens are not going to be going through strange doors with bad guys likely on the other side or take part in large scale group gun battles.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

It wasn't Zimmerman's job to keep his neighborhood safe--the police don't want, or need, the help of vigilantes. They likely feel the same where you are, which is why you wound up in jail.

Zimmerman's duties as a neighborhood watch were limited to simply calling a non-emergency number to report anything that seemed amiss. That was it.

And he hardly kept the neighborhood safe by killing a guest who was staying in that community--a teenage kid just walking back from a trip to the store, with no intention of bothering anyone.

Zimmerman set a tragedy in motion by erroneously racially profiling an innocent kid, and then disregarding both neighborhood watch rules, and the advisement of a police dispatcher, by stalking the kid through the darkened area of that gated community until he finally confronted the teen.
And, once he created this provocative encounter, he failed to defuse the situation by identifying himself or his motives to the understandably apprehensive minor.

No matter whether or not one feels Zimmerman had to use deadly force to defend his own life, absolving him for creating the entire situation that led to an avoidable and needless death is something that the police did not do, and the jury apparently struggled not to do.

The police investigation ruled out any criminal intentions on Martin's part, and concluded that Martin's death would have been totally avoidable had Zimmerman simply remained in his car, as he should have done, and they further faulted him for not trying to defuse the situation he brought about.

The two jurors who have spoken out both indicated Zimmerman should not have followed Martin, and they also felt his actions in that regard contributed to the death of Martin, and they indicated that most of the other jurors wanted to find Zimmerman guilty of something, but apparently they were confused about how to apply the law to his actions. A manslaughter verdict could have covered that, had they better understood the law. One of them did send a message/question to the judge regarding manslaughter, but she never received an answer or clarification.

So there are many reasons that the Not Guilty verdict was unsatisfactory for many people who followed the case, as well as apparently for the jurors themselves--it failed to take into account the fact that Zimmerman had actively contributed to bringing about a death that was avoidable and needless.

Trying to vilify the victim with all sorts of rumors, falsehoods, and character assassination tactics, as well as trying to portray him in terms of clearly racist negative stereotypes, doesn't change the fact that Trayvon Martin had the right to walk home un-bothered, and un-pursued by Zimmerman. It doesn't change the fact that Martin's allegedly "suspicious" actions were all in George Zimmerman's mind, and directly related to Zimmerman's ongoing antipathy toward black males he spotted in or around his housing complex. And, most importantly, it doesn't make the teen's needless and avoidable death any less tragic--he was the victim, not only of Zimmerman's bullet, but Zimmerman's personal obsessions with young black males, and Zimmerman's inability to control the impulsivity that prevented him from simply remaining in his car.

Trying to transform Martin, a middle-class kid from a decent family, into someone's racist caricature of a ghetto street thug, doesn't change the reality of what happened that night--George Zimmerman's reckless actions brought about a needless and avoidable death.

Trying to sell George Zimmerman as the real "victim" in this situation is just bizarre. He was, quite simply, a hotheaded asshole, and wannabe cop, who should have remained in his car and allowed the police to arrive and do their job. There was nothing urgent going on, he had witnessed no crime in progress, there was nothing that required his intervention. His impaired judgment and lack of self-control caused him to engage in reckless, and inappropriate actions--actions that led to a tragic death.

So, when you compare yourself to Zimmerman, I'm not in the least impressed.

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@BillRM,

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So, Bill...you are saying that even the training given to police officers is not enough

BillRM wrote:

Even the training????????

LOL who said that the firearm training of the average police officer is all that good?

FBI does a fine job and large cities swat teams get the proper training
but most police officers do not get that level of training.

Also there is a difference standard between the training needed
to allow a police officer to do his law enforcement job for a whole career
and the training for a citizen to carry a weapon for self protection.

Most citizens are not going to be going through strange doors with bad guys
likely on the other side or take part in large scale group gun battles.

I wud not engage beyond a very short defensive distance.

David

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