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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:13 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
All that blood was based on minor cuts and abrasions; they were NOT LIFE THREATENING. THOSE ARE THE FACTS THAT MOST OF YOU SEEM UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND. CEMENT IS NOT A WEAPON. You'd be laughed out of court if you tried that as a defense.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:14 pm
Martin broke the 11th commandment-
"Thou shalt not sit on a white man punching him in the face and slamming his head into the ground"
Otherwise he'd still be alive..Smile

From the reconstruction animation played to the court-
1- Martin asks "you got a problem?"
2- Martin socks Zim on nose
3- Zim goes down
4- Martin breaks 11th commandment-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/zim-animA_zps7fb30d1d.jpg~original
firefly
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:18 pm
@BillRM,
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Once more Zimmerman is a victim not the dead Trayvon.

Only in your deluded mind...

He killed an unarmed child, who was walking home from the store, minding his own business, until Zimmerman racially profiled him, decided he looked "suspicious", and, in violation of his own neighborhood watch rules, and against the advisement of a police dispatcher, menacingly stalked the teen in the dark until he confronted him.

The police concluded this was an avoidable death, had Zimmerman had the judgment, and self control, to remain in his car, and if he had, at least, identified himself to this frightened and innocent teen.

Zimmerman is the victim of his own character flaws--including impaired judgment, emotional instability, and poor impulse control--which will continue to be his undoing.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:22 pm
@firefly,
I wonder how these bozos would have reacted if that had happened to their own child? Unarmed, walking home from the store, and being shot dead by a deranged gun owner.

I betcha Zim's minor cuts and bruises would be too minor for them! After all, he killed their child.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:28 pm
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Cicerone said: I wonder how these bozos would have reacted if that had happened to their own child?

It'd never happen because none of our kids would dive on a neighbourhood watch citizen..Smile
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firefly
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:31 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
There's a sucker born every minute, Romeo, and, if you believe that defense animation is the truth of what happened, you're among them.

That's Zimmerman's version of what happened, and it is not consistent with his extremely minor injuries, nor did any witness have a clear view of what happened between Zimmerman and Martin, as the animation suggests, nor did anyone witness the actual shooting. That animation was designed, by the defense, to be intentionally misleading.
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It'd never happen because none of our kids would dive on a neighbourhood watch citizen

How was Martin supposed to know Zimmerman was part of a neighborhood watch--Zimmerman never identified himself, or explained his motives, to Martin. For all Martin knew, Zimmerman could have been a serial killer.

At least Zimmerman is now admitting he has been a trained fighter for quite some time. But, on that dark night in February, 2012, he suddenly, and mysteriously, didn't know how to respond to a single punch to his nose--in an encounter he had provoked and brought about.

Although I'm sure lots of people would like to see Zimmerman get the crap beaten out of him in a "celebrity boxing match", I doubt that many of them would be dumb enough to shell out money to watch it.





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BillRM
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I wonder how these bozos would have reacted if that had happened to their own child?


This bozo would have raised a child with the idea it is not repeat not proper to attacked an adult because he does something that is annoying you such as following you on a public right of way.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:45 pm
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Firefly said: There's a sucker born every minute, Romeo, and, if you believe that defense animation is the truth of what happened, you're among them

My belief is that Martin aggressively walked up to Zim and asked him why he was following him. Zim reached for his gun so Martin dived on him and Zim had to shoot him in self-defence.
They both played it badly and the whole thing could easily have been avoided.

For example when my miserable old neighbour came hammering on my door a couple of years ago demanding I stop feeding the pigeons and seagulls I went into grovelling apology mode and completely defused the situation..Smile
"The greatest warrior is the one who never has to fight a battle"- Sun Tzu, 600 BC
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 05:55 pm
@BillRM,
Just as I thought; play chicken little. When I was a kid, I fought all the time when other kids teased me about my eyeglasses, but nobody had a gun to shoot me.
firefly
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 06:02 pm
@BillRM,
Do you know the difference between menacing someone and "annoying" them?

What Zimmerman did, by stalking this teen through a private gated community, in the dark, for no apparent reason, and failing to identify himself, is, by no stretch, "annoying"--it is menacing and intimidating behavior. And a single punch in the nose, in self defense, is a more than justified and appropriate response to such behavior.

Shooting and killing an unarmed kid, in response to a punch in the nose, is neither appropriate nor justified.

That Zimmerman escaped criminal liability was due to the skill of defense attorneys who managed to raise reasonable doubt with a lot of smoke and mirrors--as was done in the case of O.J. as well. But, like O.J., I think Zimmerman will find himself behind bars one day too.

In the meantime, the media whore will continue to come up with schemes so he can bask in some crumbs of attention and easy ways of turning his notoriety into a little quick cash. None of that erases the fact that his name will always be known for the fact he killed an unarmed child, an act for which he has no true remorse, and for which he takes no real responsibility, attributing it to, "God's plan".

You consistently side with the scumbags--rapists, purveyors of child pornography, etc. --so your "celebration" of Zimmerman, a child killer, is hardly surprising.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 06:25 pm
@firefly,
I doubt very much it was the skill of the defense attorney. It was the prosecution attorneys who failed at their jobs. They failed to question anything that the defense attorney presented.

When the defense attorney used that rag doll to represent what happened to Zimmerman by Trayvon, the prosecuting attorneys could have used a real person (using a pillow on the ground) that could show some resistance to having their head banged against the ground - backed by the minor injuries that were proven in court.

BillRM
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 06:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Just as I thought; play chicken little. When I was a kid, I fought all the time when other kids teased me about my eyeglasses, but nobody had a gun to shoot me.


At a time when you had reached the size of a fully grown man did you jump an adult knocking him down and then after getting on top of him try to pound his head into the sidewalk?

A child fight is not the same as an all out attack on an adult you do not know and the results are likely not to be the same with or without a gun on site.

BillRM
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 06:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I doubt very much it was the skill of the defense attorney. It was the prosecution attorneys who failed at their jobs. They failed to question anything that the defense attorney presented.


There was no case for murder or any lesser misdeed that is why the prosecutor did not bring any charges against Zimmerman and it took Sharpton and the threat of riots to get a prosecutor assign that did not care if there was a case or not her task was to charge Zimmerman in fact overcharge Zimmerman no matter what the facts happen to be.

Hell she did not even have the nerve to bring the matter to a grand jury as she could not take the chance of the grand jury issuing a no true bill.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 07:15 pm
@BillRM,
You wrote,
Quote:
At a time when you had reached the size of a fully grown man did you jump an adult knocking him down and then after getting on top of him try to pound his head into the sidewalk?


Why would I have a need when nobody attacked me in any way - or even followed me like Zim did to Trayvon. NEVER.

IF I was walking home from the local store, and somebody like Zim followed me at night - like he did to Trayvon, I would have cause to question him/her.

IF he/she did not satisfy me with a good answer, I might call the police. If he attacked me, I would respond with aggressive action.
firefly
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 07:23 pm
@BillRM,
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At a time when you had reached the size of a fully grown man did you jump an adult knocking him down and then after getting on top of him try to pound his head into the sidewalk?

Except, Zimmerman's head was never pounded on the sidewalk.

The fight didn't even take place on the sidewalk.

That was an issue the prosecution did raise at the trial. It was one of many indications of Zimmerman's flawed credibility.

But O'Mara simply glossed over the fact that the evidence indicated the fight occurred on grass, and that Zimmerman's very minor injuries were not consistent with any head pounding, or a beating of any sort, and, instead, O'Mara paraded around a large heavy chunk of concrete in his arms, as though it were a weapon which could be dropped on Zimmerman's head, and used it for dramatic effect, to further confuse the jury about what happened, and to exaggerate the danger Martin allegedly posed to Zimmerman. It was all smoke and mirrors--and it worked.

Not to mention the fact that Martin, who had a perfect right to be in that private gated community, had no idea who Zimmerman was, or why he had been stalking him in the dark, or what Zimmerman intended to do to him when he was confronted by him. People generally follow you around in the dark like that because they intend to harm you in some way--that's not "annoying" behavior, it's menacing and intimidating, and frightening, and it was Zimmerman who initiated it.

Zimmerman's reckless and impulsive behaviors brought about the entire encounter--Martin was simply walking home from the store, talking on his phone, and minding his own business. And he had a right to get home safely, unimpeded by Zimmerman, or any one else. Martin was doing nothing wrong. He became the victim of Zimmerman's obsessions with young black men in that housing complex, and then he became the victim of Zimmerman's gun.

Zimmerman brought about the totally needless, and avoidable, death of an innocent unarmed child, who had done nothing at all "suspicious" or criminal, because he couldn't control his own feelings of anger and his impulsivity. And then he came up with a bullshit story (one with several versions) to justify firing his gun, and the defense managed to sell the BS to the jury sufficiently to raise concerns that he might have been acting in self-defense, which is all it takes in Florida to get an acquittal.

But nothing, including the trial verdict, changes the fact that Zimmerman brought about the totally needless, and avoidable, death of an innocent unarmed child, and that's the unsavory notoriety he's now trying to cash in on--on the day that would have been that child's 19th birthday.

He lacks all decency.

I'm not surprised he's been suicidal, I don't know how he can live with himself knowing he caused the senseless, and avoidable, death of an unarmed child, because he was caught up in playing wannabe cop that night.



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BillRM
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 07:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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IF I was walking home from the local store, and somebody like Zim followed me at night - like he did to Trayvon, I would have cause to question him/her.

IF he/she did not satisfy me with a good answer, I might call the police. If he attacked me, I would respond with aggressive action.


An if you had been Trayvon you would had been alive now and enjoying your 19 birthday instead of rotting in the ground.

As it was the only one calling the police was Zimmerman not Trayvon, who was free to keep walking home instead of turning and attacking Zimmerman and or call the police himself with the cell phone in his hand.

If Zimmerman with his gun was looking to have a conflict that night the last thing he would had done is trying to get the police on the scene and if he had the gun out looking to used it Trayvon would never had gotten to sucker punch Zimmerman knocking him to the ground.

Sorry no kid that was raised right was in any danger from Zimmerman that night.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 07:32 pm
@BillRM,
CLUE: I'm not Trayvon. Not even close.
BillRM
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 07:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
CLUE: I'm not Trayvon. Not even close.


True and most late teens are not looking to prove their street credit/manhood by beating the hell out of an adult that dare to annoy them.

Trayvon however was a hoodlum want to be an that cost him his life that night.

The person that was totally responsible for his death was himself and if anyone else have any blame it would be his parents who did not raises him correctly.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 08:01 pm
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BillRM said: The person that was totally responsible for his death was himself and if anyone else have any blame it would be his parents who did not raises him correctly

Yay and also to blame are the pol-correct white numbskulls who knee-jerkingly jump to the defence of blacks, making them think they can get away with anything!

PS- Of the 12 members of the OJ Simpson jury, 9 were black, so no wonder they let him off for killing two white people!
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firefly
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 08:03 pm
@BillRM,
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As it was the only one calling the police was Zimmerman not Trayvon, who was free to keep walking home instead of turning and attacking Zimmerman and or call the police himself with the cell phone in his hand.

Trayvon was not "free" to keep walking home--Zimmerman never stopped stalking him.

And 16 year old black males, particularly in the South, don't automatically think about calling the police for help--because they are generally on the receiving end of being hassled by the police. Their instincts are to avoid police contacts.

Zimmerman was the adult in this situation--and an armed adult. He was the one acting inappropriately by stalking someone in the dark and never identifying himself. How a frightened kid reacted to such menacing behavior is really beside the point--it was Zimmerman, the adult, who initiated the entire situation, based on his faulty perception of Martin's actions, and it was Zimmerman who brought about the encounter he wanted to occur, and we know that he wanted it to occur because he did not remain in his car and he never stopped actively pursuing Martin.

It was Zimmerman, not Martin, who wanted a confrontation. Why? Was this Zimmerman's way of acting out his personal vendetta against these "f--king punks who always get away"? It was Zimmerman who acted with animus toward Martin, based mainly on the color of his skin, throughout the entire "incident"--Martin was simply a frightened kid who didn't know who this "creepy guy" was, or why he had been stalking him.

The only one to blame for this needless and avoidable death is George Zimmerman--he initiated and orchestrated the entire provocative encounter with an innocent black teen who was simply minding his own business. And Zimmerman doesn't even have the decency to accept responsibility for his own actions, or to express remorse for this senseless death, or to avoid trying to capitalize on this death. He's pure scum.

Your twisted attempts to blame Martin's parents for Zimmerman's reckless behaviors, and impaired judgment, and lack of impulse control--the behaviors on Zimmerman's part that led to their son's needless death--is just simply bizarre.

Trayvon Martin did not cause his own death--he was an innocent kid who was needlessly racially profiled, stalked, and shot, by an emotionally disturbed man trying to play cop, and a man with a prior documented history of problems controlling aggression, who a real police department wisely turned down as an unsuitable applicant, and a man who has continued to have run-ins with the police over violent and menacing incidents he's provoked since his acquittal in Martin's death, and who one Police Chief has described as being a "ticking time bomb."

You, and your clear racial animosity toward blacks, turns my stomach almost as much as George Zimmerman does. Scum seeks its own level.





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