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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
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a few days ago there was a huge headline that in a year almost 100 kids died of unintentional gunshot, meant to be OMG!.......I was thinking "that is very very few".


In a nation of 300 millions with over 300 millions of guns in private hands damn right it not a high number and not compare to 550 deaths of children in swimming pools every year.

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http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

by Steven D. Levitt, Professor of Economics, University of Chicago

[Editor's note: A version of this piece was published in the Chicago Sun-Times on July 28, 2001 under the title "Pools more dangerous than guns." ]

What’s more dangerous: a swimming pool or a gun? When it comes to children, there is no comparison: a swimming pool is 100 times more deadly.

In 1997 alone (the last year for which data are available), 742 children under the age of 10 drowned in the United States last year alone. Approximately 550 of those drownings — about 75 percent of the total — occurred in residential swimming pools. According to the most recent statistics, there are about six million residential pools, meaning that one young child drowns annually for every 11,000 pools.

About 175 children under the age of 10 died in 1998 as a result of guns. About two-thirds of those deaths were homicides. There are an estimated 200 million guns in the United States. Doing the math, there is roughly one child killed by guns for every one million guns.

Thus, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

Don’t get me wrong. My goal is not to promote guns, but rather, to focus parents on an even greater threat to their children. People are well aware of the danger of guns and, by and large, gun owners take the appropriate steps to keep guns away from children. Public attitudes towards pools, however, are much more cavalier because people simply do not know the facts.

It takes thirty seconds for a child to drown. Infants can drown in water as shallow as a few inches. Child drownings are typically silent. As a parent, if you let your guard down for an instant, a pool (or even a bucket of water) may steal your child’s life.

The Consumer Products Safety Commission offers a publication detailing some simple steps for safeguarding pools (available on the internet at http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/359.pdf). The advice is mostly common sense. Included among the suggestions are installing fences that entirely surround the pool, putting locks on the gates, keeping house doors locked so toddlers cannot slip out of the house unmonitored, and installing power safety covers for the pool.

If every parent followed these steps, perhaps as many as 400 lives per year might be saved. This would be more lives saved than from two of the most successful safety-interventions in recent decades: the use of child car seats and the introduction of safer cribs. Potential lives saved from pool safety are far greater than from child-resistant packaging (an estimated 50 lives saved per year), keeping children away from airbags (less than 5 young children a year have been killed by air bags a year on average since their introduction), flame retardant pajamas (perhaps 10 lives saved annually), or safety drawstrings on children’s clothing (two lives saved annually). Simply stated, keeping your children safe around water is one of the single most important things a parent can do to protect a child.

As a father who has lost a son, I know first-hand the unbearable pain that comes with a child’s death. Amidst my grief, I am able to take some small solace in the fact that everything possible was done to fight the disease that took my son’s life. If my son had died in a backyard pool due to my own negligence, I would not even have that to cling to. Parents who have lost children would do anything to get their babies back. Safeguard your pool so you don’t become one of us.

Steven Levitt is a professor of Economics at the University of Chicago and a research associate of the American Bar Foundation. [Editor's note: John Lott has claimed that this op-ed was written for the express purpose of concealing Levitt's "rabidly anti-gun" views. ]

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coldjoint
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:00 pm
@firefly,
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attitudes in George Zimmerman's head,


You have no idea what goes through his head. Or anyone elses.
firefly
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:01 pm
@BillRM,
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I wonder if all the black mothers and fathers knowing that the chance of their sons dying very young by homicide is six times greater then whites are laughing as hard as you are?...Frank do you think that those parents are laughing at all?


Do you think Trayvon Martin's parents are laughing about the fact that their son became the victim of a needless and avoidable homicide because he was racially profiled?

Do you think you are helping to save the lives of other black young men by the racial profiling and racist attitudes you've promoted throughout this thread?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:03 pm
@firefly,
I understand all that about Bill's insecurity about his own beliefs; they are so fragile, he has to point to others to feel safe.

As you say, most crimes are committed by whites simply because "they are the majority." This is true of all races and cultures; when they are the majority, they will commit the most crimes.

These simple concepts go over the heads of simple minded folks like Bill, David, et al.

Their general education is so lacking, they can't even figure out simple statistical math. They misconstrue them to their way of thinking which has nothing to do with it. Makes one wonder where they got their education, and how they survive in this world of numbers.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
almost no whites die from gun homicide,



Having guns in homes is not a great risk for most people and as I said I been born into a family that always have guns and in the last hundred years of known family history no one had been hurt by those firearms except for my father pride that my mother could out shoot him at the range.

The small town I was born in also have guns in almost every home and the only harm in my growing up years was when a father of a classmate used a shotgun to killed himself.

a few days ago there was a huge headline that in a year almost 100 kids died of unintentional gunshot, meant to be OMG!.......I was thinking "that is very very few".


Yeah...I can understand you thinking that is very few!
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coldjoint
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:05 pm
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Do you think Trayvon Martin's parents are laughing about the fact that their son became the victim of a needless and avoidable homicide because he was racially profiled?


He was noticed walking through yards. Any color would get a neighborhood watch person interested.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:09 pm
@BillRM,
You,
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In a nation of 300 millions with over 300 millions of guns in private hands damn right it not a high number and not compare to 550 deaths of children in swimming pools every year.


What has accidental drowning of children in swimming pools every year have to do with gun violence? NOTHING! Deaths by car accidents also has nothing to do with gun violence. There were 33,800 deaths by car accidents in 2009; how do you manage to equate this with gun violence?

Simply because you're stupid! TNCFS
firefly
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:12 pm
@coldjoint,
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You have no idea what goes through his head. Or anyone elses.

Zimmerman expressed what he was thinking and feeling in his call to the police about Martin. He was angry about all those "f---ing punks who always get away"--and he was referring to young black males. And he was angry at them. He was angry at Trayvon Martin, who he didn't know at all, because he looked at his skin, and racially profiled him, as someone to mistrust and hate.

And BillRM does the same thing...unfortunately, we've all heard the things that go on in BillRM's racist head.
BillRM
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Of coarse, in Bill's family history, they always keep records of all the members who have been involved in gun violence. None ever went to war or killed anybody else or themselves.


In war going back to WW1 no one killed in a war. My father for example was a technician for the army air corp in WW2 not a soldier and my one grandfather was a minister and the other grandfather was in basic training for WW1 but the war ended before he was out of basic training.

We did have a few family members in the civil war and the war of 1898 but that is both beyond the hundred years limit.

As far as violence is concerning zero family members in that 100 years time frame and the only person that gotten into any trouble with the law was a great uncle who ripped off beer from a beer truck he was a driver of..

Even those we have always had firearms around we are a peaceful/boring family where not even the one police officer in the family line ever used his gun on anyone.

To my shame I am also the only family member as far as the records go back and that is beyond a 100 years who have had a divorce.
BillRM
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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What has accidental drowning of children in swimming pools every year have to do with gun violence?


The issue was gun accidents that resulted in a child dying not so call gun violence so swimming pools accidents does indeed compare to guns accidents in numbers of yearly deaths.
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firefly
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:21 pm
@coldjoint,
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He was noticed walking through yards. Any color would get a neighborhood watch person interested.

He wasn't "walking through yards"--he was in the area of the Clubhouse when Zimmerman noticed him. He was just walking around, looking around, as he talked on his cell phone. That's perfectly normal behavior.

People, who are house guests, can't walk around a private residential community?

George Zimmerman looked at Martin and saw an intruder--Martin was black and he was in a predominately white community--that's what made Zimmerman take note of him and and racial profiling caused him to totally misinterpret Martin's totally normal behaviors.

Trayvon Martin became the victim of a needless and avoidable and tragic homicide because George Zimmerman racially profiled him and decided to play wannabe cop.

And BillRM tries frantically to tap dance around that fact by posting all kinds of irrelevant and digressive crap.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:22 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Of coarse, in Bill's family history, they always keep records of all the members who have been involved in gun violence. None ever went to war or killed anybody else or themselves.


In war going back to WW1 no one killed in a war. My father for example was a technician for the army air corp in WW2 not a soldier and my one grandfather was a minister and the other grandfather was in basic training for WW1 but the war ended before he was out of basic training.

We did have a few family members in the civil war and the war of 1898 but that is both beyond the hundred years limit.

As far as violence is concerning zero family members in that 100 years time frame and the only person that gotten into any trouble with the law was a great uncle who ripped off beer from a beer truck he was a driver of..

Even those we have always had firearms around we are a peaceful/boring family where not even the one police officer in the family line ever used his gun on anyone.

Too my shame I am also the only family member as far as the records go back and that is beyond a 100 years who have had a divorce.



I'm hoping this is all a huge lie.

If you are telling us that your family goes all the way back to the Civil War in this country...and that you have been an American speaking and writing English for your entire life...

...you ought to hang your head in shame.

I been accepting that you are a recent immigrant to America...someone who recently learned English from a teacher who was not especially competent.

But that does not appear to be the case.

Is English a second language with you, Bill...or not?
BillRM
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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you ought to hang your head in shame.


LOL can not deal with the facts so go for a personal attacks....Well if I was you Frank I would be far far more ashamed of your magical and irrational thinking patterns then any lack of writing skills such as mine.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
you ought to hang your head in shame.


LOL can not deal with the facts so go for a personal attacks....Well if I was you Frank I would be far far more ashamed of your magical and irrational thinking patterns then any lack of writing skills of mine.


You didn't answer the question. Is English a second language...or are you just a born mangler of the language?
firefly
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
BillRM is also leaving something out when he said this..
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As far as violence is concerning zero family members in that 100 years time frame and the only person that gotten into any trouble with the law was a great uncle who ripped off beer from a beer truck he was a driver of..

He seems to have forgotten that his first wife obtained an order of protection against him for domestic violence....And he never even showed up in court to dispute the charge, although he certainly had the opportunity to do that.

Seems to me that there is violence in his family...

BillRM and George Zimmerman both have histories of violence...
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BillRM
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:49 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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You didn't answer the question. Is English a second language...or are you just a born mangler of the language?


LOL well we had even have a president of the US who of course was born in the US who English was a second language to him so it does happen but not in my case.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:50 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
You didn't answer the question. Is English a second language...or are you just a born mangler of the language?


LOL well we had even have a president of the US who of course was born in the US who English was a second language to him so it does happen but not in my case.


And translated into understandable English...that says????
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:51 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Glad to know you are a Jeopardy! fan, though.
BillRM
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:53 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Glad to know you are a Jeopardy! fan, though.


Nice to know I have something in common with even such a person as you are Frank.
firefly
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Trayvon Martin had been in a sophomore honors class in English, so he must have been considerably more literate than BillRM. That makes BillRM's ranting that Martin wasn't "college material" particularly ludicrous.

BilRM is too dumb to learn how to use a spell-check, or to read his posts aloud to himself so he can tell whether they are intelligible.
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