The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@BillRM,

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Glad to know you are a Jeopardy! fan, though.

Nice to know I have something in common with even such a person as you are Frank.

I got that one right, by the way. I was shocked that two of the contestants missed it.

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@firefly,

Zimmerman expressed what he was thinking and feeling in his call to the police about Martin. He was angry about all those "f---ing punks who always get away"--and he was referring to young black males. And he was angry at them. He was angry at Trayvon Martin, who he didn't know at all, because he looked at his skin, and racially profiled him, as someone to mistrust and hate.

You are full of ****, and are you reading a script? And how many people really tell what they think by what they say? Not that many I would bet with your propensity to analyze them.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I got that one right, by the way. I was shocked that two of the contestants missed it.

To my shame I missed that question myself.

I do my best when the questions relate in some manner with science.

Some where I have the computer Jeopardy! game in the house but I had not play it for some time.

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@coldjoint,

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You are full of ****, and are you reading a script?

No, I read the evidence in this case, in addition to watching the trial.

And part of that evidence included the reports of the chief police investigator on this case. He described Trayvon Martin as having behaved in a completely normal manner and that Zimmerman had misjudged and misinterpreted his behavior. The "suspiciousness" was all in Zimmerman's mind, not in Martin's behavior.

That same police investigator also blamed Zimmerman for instigating and bringing about the encounter that led to an avoidable death, by not remaining in his car, and by following Martin, and for his failure to defuse the situation by identifying himself, despite having had at least 2 opportunities to defuse the situation by doing that.

The defense tacitly acknowledged that racial profiling was involved in this case by the witnesses they called at trial--and this strategy was intended to rationalize racial profiling and have it seen as logical, and with a jury of 5 whites, that strategy worked--the longest holdout on the jury was the lone minority member, and that person has clearly had difficulty coming to terms with her own final decision to acquit.

Race. and racial profiling has always been a part of this case, and that's an uncomfortable issue for many white people to openly acknowledge and talk about honestly. People like you are evidence of that.

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@firefly,

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Race. and racial profiling has always been a part of this case, and that's an uncomfortable issue for many white people to openly acknowledge and talk about honestly. People like you are evidence of that.

It is people like you who block the way. Even black people know to stay away from blacks. Crime happens and who is doing it is important to know how to stop it, and avoid it. And avoid looking like a criminal.(Trayvon)

You need to face the fact that young blacks are doing these things. And deal with the problem of the family that isn't there for them. The racial profiling is perfectly natural in this case. If it were Chinese people I would feel the same.

Or another example. Terrorists are 99% Islamist. Israel profiles, we do not.

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@coldjoint,

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Crime happens and who is doing it is important to know how to stop it, and avoid it.

And most crime is committed by white people.

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You need to face the fact that young blacks are doing these things. And deal with the problem of the family that isn't there for them.

You need to deal with the fact that Trayvon Martin wasn't doing anything wrong or "suspicious" when George Zimmerman racially profiled and stalked him.

And Trayvon Martin's family was there for him--he had two loving and involved parents, a loving older brother in college, and a loving extended family.

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The racial profiling is perfectly natural in this case....

It's "natural" only if you're a bigot who thinks of people in terms of negative ethnic and racial stereotypes. And it's neither accurate nor "natural" when it causes you to distort your actual perceptions of what you see--Zimmerman saw nothing more than a black kid walking around while harmlessly talking on his cell phone--perfectly normal behavior--but Zimmerman distorted what he saw--he decided a black kid doing that sort of thing was "up to no good"--the "suspiciousness" was all in Zimmerman's mind, not in Martin's behavior.

And racial profiling is downright dangerous when it causes needless and avoidable deaths--like that of Trayvon Martin.

I don't know what kind of world you live in, apparently one devoid of any contacts with law-abiding blacks, otherwise you'd know that the stereotype you're trying to promote isn't accurate. Every office and store I go into around here has many young black male employees--maybe 1 or 2 years older than Trayvon Martin--all of whom are friendly, helpful, polite, and extremely nice. And the colleges around here, have substantial enrollments of black students. And I bet they all wander around talking on their cell phones, and probably wear hoodies if it's raining, just like their white counterparts.

And the most expensive house, on my almost exclusively white block, is owned by a black family. And I'm much happier to have them as neighbors than I'd be to have you, or BillRM, or David, or oralloy, or Romeo--or any hate-filled bigot or gun nut.

Do you believe all Irish Americans are a bunch of drunks too? And all Italian Americans are part of the mob?

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@firefly,

Most crimes are impossible to stop because there is no way to predict who will commit the crime. A crime is identified after the crime is committed.

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@cicerone imposter,

Having a burglar alarm, and making sure your windows and doors are closed and locked when you go out, is the best way to try to prevent residential burglaries. And that's the most common type of crime in middle-class communities like the one Zimmerman lived in. That was their most frequent crime. It's the most frequent crime in the community I live in too.

And burglars don't generally break in on Sunday evenings at 7 p.m when everyone's home and people are out walking dogs, etc. Nor do they generally choose an occupied residence--they don't want to get caught. Nor would they wander around first, in plain sight. Zimmerman had no basis for jumping to his erroneous assumptions about Martin--except, he was a black kid in a hoodie, and Zimmerman racially profiled him.

A burglar alarm is a better deterrent than a neighborhood watch volunteer, and it won't wind up needlessly killing anyone.

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@firefly,

We are fortunate in our community of 140,000 residents.

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PUBLIC SAFETY STATISTICS
SUNNYVALE CRIME STATISTICS
Sunnyvale is proud to have one of the lowest crime rates in the Nation. We believe that this is due to the strong partnership between the Citizens of Sunnyvale and the law enforcement Officers that serve them.

We've forgotten to lock our doors several times during the past couple of years, but I do not worry all that much.

Some years ago, Sunnyvale was rated the safest city in the US for our size community. Even the police blot in the local newspaper, San Jose Mercury News, rarely has any crime listed for our city.

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@firefly,

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You need to deal with the fact that Trayvon Martin wasn't doing anything wrong or "suspicious" when George Zimmerman racially profiled and stalked him.

Walking through backyards when there is a sidewalk is suspicious. And since you think Trayvon was so smart he must of knew of the robberies and burglaries in that area.

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And the most expensive house, on my almost exclusively white block, is owned by a black family. And I'm much happier to have them as neighbors than I'd be to have you, or BillRM, or David, or oralloy, or Romeo--or any hate-filled bigot or gun nut.

Someone is phony. And it shows. Right Saint Firefly?

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@coldjoint,

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Walking through backyards when there is a sidewalk is suspicious. And since you think Trayvon was so smart he must of knew of the robberies and burglaries in that area.

Along with walking slowly in the rain and walking in a manner that if gave the impression that he might be under the influence of drugs while looking at the homes.

Not that Zimmerman needed to be correct in calling in to have the police check the young man out.

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@coldjoint,

We lived in Naperville, IL, some years ago, and nobody had any fence. It was open for anybody to walk through other people's property without any concern. During the summer months when we did bbq's in the back yard, we often shared time with our neighbors, and during the holiday season, we did progressive dinners where we went from home to home to share food and drinks.

In gated communities, people feel safe enough that they don't require security guards to watch over their property.

Some people aren't always afraid of their neighbors, and don't require police or security guards 24/7.

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@cicerone imposter,

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In gated communities, people feel safe enough that they don't require security guards to watch over their property.

Some people aren't always afraid of their neighbors, and don't require police or security guards 24/7.

See how many homes break in robberies of the type that was happening in Zimmerman neighborhood it would take to change that feeling of safest.

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@cicerone imposter,

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progressive dinners

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@coldjoint,

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Walking through backyards when there is a sidewalk is suspicious. And since you think Trayvon was so smart he must of knew of the robberies and burglaries in that area.

Martin was in front of a main area--the Clubhouse--when Zimmerman spotted him, misjudged and misinterpreted his behavior, and began stalking him. Since you're allegedly "so smart" you'd know Martin wasn't walking through any backyards, and that there are sidewalks behind those attached houses, as well as in front of them, and he didn't live there, he was a house guest, so he'd have no reason to know of, or be concerned about, any burglaries.

For someone who is "so smart" you're very ignorant about the most elementary facts in this case.

So tell me, do you also consider all Irish Americans drunks? And all Italian Americans members of the mob? Or do you just reserve your negative ethnic and racial stereotypes for blacks and Muslims and any other groups you dislike?

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@firefly,

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So tell me, do you also consider all Irish Americans drunks? And all Italian Americans members of the mob? Or do you just reserve your negative ethnic and racial stereotypes for blacks and Muslims and any other groups you dislike?

No, I am interested attaching blame to who should be blamed. You and your race baiting or bigot baiting only detract from your argument. Phoney.

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@coldjoint,

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Someone is phony. And it shows. Right Saint Firefly?

No, I'm being quite sincere.

I'm much happier to have that lovely black family as my neighbors than I'd be to have you, or BillRM, or David, or oralloy, or Romeo--or any hate-filled bigot or gun nut--living on my block. And, when that family's friends and relatives visit, and they walk around, or look around, my block, I don't worry, or even think, they might be "casing" the block. That would be absurd. Laughing

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@firefly,

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No, I'm being quite sincere.

Sorry I am bigoted against sincere people that lie through their teeth.

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@firefly,

I wouldn't want anyone who thinks carrying a gun on their person is more important than the safety of others to be my neighbor or my friend.

I also wouldn't want as any neighbor who believes a Neighborhood Watch member has the right to carry and gun and use it.

Finally, I wouldn't want any person as my neighbor or friend who believes Zimmerman did nothing wrong.

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