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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 12:02 pm
@BillRM,
What has that got to do with anything? If you ever studied history, whites killed more people in this world than blacks ever did, and that includes whites against whites.

Don't be so stupid! (If that's at all possible.)

We all know your education is lacking, but you don't need to keep broadcasting it on a2k.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 12:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
almost no whites die from gun homicide,



Having guns in homes is not a great risk for most people and as I said I been born into a family that always have guns and in the last hundred years of known family history no one had been hurt by those firearms except for my father pride that my mother could out shoot him at the range.

The small town I was born in also have guns in almost every home and the only harm in my growing up years was when a father of a classmate used a shotgun to killed himself.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 12:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What has that got to do with anything? If you ever studied history, whites killed more people in this world than blacks ever did, and that includes whites against whites.


First that is hardly true as even in the last few decades wars/tribal conflicts in the Africa nations had killed millions/tens of millions

Next what the hell does any such claim true or not have anything to do with the off the scale homicide rate affecting the black community young men in the US now? Where young black males are six times more likely to die from homicide then white young men and seven times more liking to have killed someone then white young men?
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 12:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You know I think I am understanding what you and Frank are trying to express by bringing up Hitler and I am sorry it took a bit of time as my mind work on a far more rational track then either ones of your seems to do.

Stating a problem such as the current high crime rate/murder/homicide rate in the US black population compare to either the total US population or the white subset of the population is somehow claiming some superiority of whites over black citizens in your irrational thinking repeat your irrational thinking.

Sorry that is not the point, the point is that there is currently a damn large problem in that sub-set of the population that need to be addressed by both the black population and the rest of us as well.

Guns are not the problem for one thing we now have more guns the ever and the overall homicide rate is at a fifty year low in the overall population.

Racism is not the problem as you had pointed out most murders are done inside the black or white community and police or racist whites are not the reason that the leading cause of deaths for young black males are homicide.


firefly
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 12:52 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
An a black young man is six times more likely to be a homicide victim then a white young man...

And some of those young black men wind up being homicide victims because they've been erroneously racially profiled by an unstable neighborhood watch volunteer playing wannabe cop...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 12:53 pm
@BillRM,
What has the past few decades have to do with human history? Your idea of selecting periods of time out of the millions of years of human history is laughable at best, but ignorant to the core! The following is recent statistics.


From http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

FBI list of crimes by whites vs blacks
Quote:

Offense charged
.................................Total...................White................Black


TOTAL.......................9,499,725...............6,578,133............2697.539
Murder...........................8,341..................4,000...................4,149
Forcible rape..................14,611...................9,504....................4,811
Robbery.........................82,436.................35,443..................45,827
Aggravated assault..........305,220..................194,981.................102,597
Burglary......................227,899.................151,934..................72,244
Larceny theft................977,743.................670,768................281,197
Vehicle theft.................50,902..................32,575..................17,250
Arson.............................8,965...................6,479....................2,302
Violent crimes..............410,608.................243,928.......... .....157,384
Property crimes.............1,265,509..............861,756............. ...372,993
Other assaults................952,421.................625,330................304,088

BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What has the past few decades have to do with human history? Your idea of selecting periods of time out of the millions of years of human history is laughable at best, but ignorant to the core!


Because that what we are living in now and that what we need to deal with now!!!!

Next you are either very very stupid or think the readers of this thread happen to be as the total crime numbers are meaningless it the crime numbers per 100,000 of population that matter and whites happen to have around 8 times greater population then the black community.

If the black population have the same rate repeat rate of crime as the white population then the total numbers of crimes for blacks in your FBI list would be 337,000 not 2,697.539.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:13 pm
@BillRM,
You can't revise FBI statistics to meet your own screwed up brain!

The balance of the crimes were committed by "Others." In other words, not whites or blacks, because they are not part of this discussion (*or thread).
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:23 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Only if you do not count in people like Hitler.


LOL what does a German dictator from the 1930s to mid 1940s have to do with the sad murder rate of young black males in the US in the 2010s?


Ahhh...now you are restricting what you had previously not restricted...to young black males in the US in the 2010's.

I see. You were just being careless with your wording.

You do a lot of that.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:25 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

You know I think I am understanding what you and Frank are trying to express by bringing up Hitler and I am sorry it took a bit of time as my mind work on a far more rational track then either ones of your seems to do.

Stating a problem such as the current high crime rate/murder/homicide rate in the US black population compare to either the total US population or the white subset of the population is somehow claiming some superiority of whites over black citizens in your irrational thinking repeat your irrational thinking.

Sorry that is not the point, the point is that there is currently a damn large problem in that sub-set of the population that need to be addressed by both the black population and the rest of us as well.

Guns are not the problem for one thing we now have more guns the ever and the overall homicide rate is at a fifty year low in the overall population.

Racism is not the problem as you had pointed out most murders are done inside the black or white community and police or racist whites are not the reason that the leading cause of deaths for young black males are homicide.





You are a scream, Bill. I thank you for that laugh! Drunk
BillRM
 
  0  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You can't revise FBI statistics to meet your own screwed up brain!


You mean I can not list them as crime per 100,000 of population instead of the misleading total crimes when the white population is roughly 8 times larger then the black population?

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BillRM
 
  0  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:30 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
You are a scream, Bill. I thank you for that laugh!


I wonder if all the black mothers and fathers knowing that the chance of their sons dying very young by homicide is six times greater then whites are laughing as hard as you are?

Or knowing their sons are seven times more likely to killed someone else for that matter then whites.

Frank do you think that those parents are laughing at all?

cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
This article will go way over the head's of the Bills on this thread.

Quote:
The question we should really be focused on is not the specific cause of a single shooting, but why there are so many of them in America. To remind you, in recent years there have been around 10,000 gun homicides a year in the United States. According to the United States, in Germany and Canada, there were fewer than 200. In Spain, fewer than 100. In Australia fewer than 50.
America's per capita gun homicide rate in 2009 was 12 times higher than the average of Canada, Germany, Australia and Spain.
Does anyone think that we have 12 times as many psychologically troubled people as they do in these countries?
There are other reasons often given for gun violence – popular culture and violent video games in particular. But as this survey across the world should have shown, countries that imbibe much the same gory culture in Europe and Australia have much lower levels of violence. Japan, with its particular fascination with violent video games, is actually stunningly low in gun deaths. So whatever you think of violent video games and movies, they don't seem to be the key cause of gun violence.
And we do have an actual experiment. In the aftermath of its own Newtown-like massacre, Australia changed its gun laws. The result? Homicides and suicides plummeted in the decade that followed. Of course, like all real world problems, the link between guns and violence is a complex issue. But one rarely has so much evidence pointing in the same direction.


http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/14/the-real-tragedy-of-americas-gun-violence/
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:34 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
You are a scream, Bill. I thank you for that laugh!


I wonder if all the black mothers and fathers knowing that the chance of their sons dying very young by homicide is six times greater then whites are laughing as hard as you are?

Frank do you think that those parents are laughing at all?




I think that you thinking that your mind work on a far more rational track then either ci or mine...is a belly whopper, Bill.

I think it was hilarious...and I thanked you for the laugh.

You should be saying "you are welcome." Drunk
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

This article will go way over the head's of the Bills on this thread.

Quote:
The question we should really be focused on is not the specific cause of a single shooting, but why there are so many of them in America. To remind you, in recent years there have been around 10,000 gun homicides a year in the United States. According to the United States, in Germany and Canada, there were fewer than 200. In Spain, fewer than 100. In Australia fewer than 50.
America's per capita gun homicide rate in 2009 was 12 times higher than the average of Canada, Germany, Australia and Spain.
Does anyone think that we have 12 times as many psychologically troubled people as they do in these countries?
There are other reasons often given for gun violence – popular culture and violent video games in particular. But as this survey across the world should have shown, countries that imbibe much the same gory culture in Europe and Australia have much lower levels of violence. Japan, with its particular fascination with violent video games, is actually stunningly low in gun deaths. So whatever you think of violent video games and movies, they don't seem to be the key cause of gun violence.
And we do have an actual experiment. In the aftermath of its own Newtown-like massacre, Australia changed its gun laws. The result? Homicides and suicides plummeted in the decade that followed. Of course, like all real world problems, the link between guns and violence is a complex issue. But one rarely has so much evidence pointing in the same direction.


http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/14/the-real-tragedy-of-americas-gun-violence/


There is no way they can open their minds to any thoughts except that they must be able to keep their guns.

My opinion: I hope I never ever think my dick is that small!
BillRM
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is going to go over your head CI.

If we did not have the incredible homicide problem in our black population with all our guns our homicide rate would be on the same level as the EU nations per 100,000 of population.

As it is we are now are at a fifty years low on our homicide rate.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Mine shrank with age, but I don't need a gun to prove I'm a man. After going for a swim..... Mr. Green Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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hawkeye10
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
almost no whites die from gun homicide,



Having guns in homes is not a great risk for most people and as I said I been born into a family that always have guns and in the last hundred years of known family history no one had been hurt by those firearms except for my father pride that my mother could out shoot him at the range.

The small town I was born in also have guns in almost every home and the only harm in my growing up years was when a father of a classmate used a shotgun to killed himself.

a few days ago there was a huge headline that in a year almost 100 kids died of unintentional gunshot, meant to be OMG!.......I was thinking "that is very very few".
firefly
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think they are missing the obvious point that, since the whites are in the majority (at least for the moment), that most of the crime in this country is being committed by whites.

You also can't infer much from these black vs white statistics. because they aren't saying anything about race, as any sort of causative factor, they also reflect socioeconomic differences--there are considerable differences in income level between these groups.

BillRM promotes these kind of statistics mainly to point out how dangerous black men are. Why do you think he keeps mentioning his fears of blacks rioting? He's convinced himself that all those people who participated in extremely peaceful protests calling for Zimmerman's arrest were threatening to riot. "No justice, no peace," means peaceful protests and marches, perfectly valid expressions of free speech and the right to assembly, would continue until their concerns were addressed. But any expression of civic power threatens BillRM when it comes from blacks--he just knows they are so uncivilized and violent and dangerous they will run riot, amok in the streets, and invade his home, and that's why he needs his guns. Hyping fears of blacks is a main tactic of the gun lobby and the NRA--it helps to cement their base and boost gun sales.

And blacks want tighter gun control to help keep guns out of inner city neighborhoods, to help lower those high gun-related homicide numbers in those areas. Municipalities can't control the problem as long as shadow purchasers can easily buy guns outside of the cities and then bring them in for resale. Stronger controls to prevent shadow purchases, and stiffer penalties for dealers who knowingly sell to them, are needed to help keep guns off the big city streets.

But, while BillRM keeps pointing out the problem in the cities, he vehemently opposes any gun controls that will address it. As long as those blacks keep killing blacks, he doesn't care. He thinks it not his problem as a white guy--besides, all those black homicide and crime numbers he feels are good for white gun sales. and, in his mind, helps to justify his need for a gun.

Meanwhile, Trayvon Martin didn't live in a ghetto, and he wasn't killed in one. And he didn't get killed because of any gang-related, drug-related, or criminal activity, and he wasn't a fatherless high school drop-out floating around the streets looking to get into trouble. He wound up being the victim of a needless and avoidable homicide, in a middle-class, predominantly white, private gated community, where he was a guest, because someone, with attitudes similar to BillRMs, looked at him and saw him as an intruder in that predominantly white enclave, and erroneously racially profiled him as being "up to no good." And that set off the events that led to his needless and avoidable and tragic death.

And BillRM will keep hauling out these black homicide statistics to try to distract from the fact that Trayvon Martin became one of those statistics only because of the attitudes in George Zimmerman's head, and his lack of good judgment and impulse control. Trayvon Martin only wanted to get home in time to watch a basketball game on TV, and then George Zimmerman began stalking him...and BillRM can't deal with that. It doesn't fit his fantasies of all those young black men as violent aggressors.

So, expect him to keep up this digression as long as he can.

cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
Of coarse, in Bill's family history, they always keep records of all the members who have been involved in gun violence. None ever went to war or killed anybody else or themselves.

That's common practice in Bill's family - like every family.
 

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