The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@cicerone imposter,

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Funny you have the gall to tell anyone else their ass being kicked. You've been kicked so often, you no longer feel it

An here I was feeling bad about your whining about people voting your silliness down and was thinking of making you feel better by voting y9ur posts up.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Bill is especially off-the-wall. But according to the law, people like him are allowed to own guns.

Seems incredible doesn't it?

It seems incredible that he's even let out of his cage. Laughing

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@firefly,

I just wonder which zoo he escaped from?

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@BillRM,

Don't do me any favors; you're scum, and I don't respect you one bit.

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@firefly,

Sorry, I was just pointing out the futility of arguing with someone so stupid that they don't even realise when they contradict themselves.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Funny you have the gall to tell anyone else their ass being kicked. You've been kicked so often, you no longer feel it.

Billrm, the misfit you're responding to, Ci, is such a STRANGE BIRD he's too simpleminded to realize you're insulting him big time! I've had this half-wit on ignore since seemingly forever. Eventually, you will realize exchanges with Billrm is pointless!

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@firefly,

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BillRM acts as though he has a private video of the encounter that incontrovertibly shows exactly what happened.

The confused BillRMs of the world view the Trayvon/Zimmerman scenario via their own mirrored world.....what they see is the exact opposite to what is right.

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If such a video were actually discovered tomorrow, and it showed that Martin did not "attack" Zimmerman, or sucker-punch him, but rather that Zimmerman reached for his gun, or pulled it out, and that Martin's reaction was clearly self-defensive, and a struggle for the gun ensued, knocking Zimmerman down, onto grass not concrete, and in that struggle his nose got hit with the gun, and there was no beating or head-pounding, and that he still shot Martin at the first opportunity he could, BillRM would still refuse to believe it.

This is because the Billrm ilk simply do not want to believe it; the culture of stereotypes and prejudices is so ingrained in their undergrown minds that to see something different like another view, would most likely bring about an instant mental meltdown.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Don't do me any favors; you're scum, and I don't respect you one bit.

My feelings are so very hurt...........LOL

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Somehow I am getting the feeling that you Trayvon supporter are mostly real haters of the type who would for example issue death threats not only against Zimmerman but his family, his lawyers, the six women who was on the jury and their children.

Victims do not have a right to fight back against their attackers with special note not with a firearm as that upset your world view that firearms are never life savers.

My bet is Zimmerman would not had been in the news so must or even charge if instead of an evil gun, a tool of the devil, he had used a knife on the poor "child" heart instead.

Of course it was a perfect storm with pictures of a smiling 13 years old or so being shown, false reports of Zimmerman being white, the false editing of the 911 tape, the silly claim that the word coon could be hear on the tape and of course the used of an evil gun.

You guys once buying into the theory of an evil white racist gun nut looking to killed some poor innocent child, will not admit even under the torture of all the correct information that had come out sense then that Zimmerman was the victim not the would be killer Trayvon.

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@BillRM,

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They have to consider the guy toting the gun and using it to kill someone...as a victim in some way...in order to excuse their desire to use their weapon to kill someone.

So if you have a gun you can never be a victim of an attack is that your crazy logical and you of course can never employ that gun to even save your live from an attacker as to do so turn your attacker into the victim.

I never said that or even suggest it. That is a straw man you built because you cannot argue logically against what I actually did say.

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Talking about going down the rabbit hole into wonderland better known as your mind Frank.

Not sure what you were attempting to say there, Bill.

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As far as Zimmerman all the evidence and a lie detector test as whip cream on top of it pointed only in the direction of Zimmerman being the victim gun or no gun on him at the time of Trayvon attack.

Only someone with no sense of logic would make that statement, Bill. ALL of the evidence does NOT point in the direction of Zimmerman being the victim. The mere fact that the incident STARTED when Zimmerman decided this young man was so suspicious he had to stalk him...is evidence (STRONG EVIDENCE) in the opposite direction.

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Of course if Zimmerman had been disarmed there would had been no national news coverage of a hoodlum beating to death a crime watch captain as that kind of event is all too common.

Mostly because I doubt that Zimmerman would have stalked Martin had he not had a gun. He seems to me to be a guy who likes the odds stacked in his favor...so either he has a gun or he picks on women.

So we agree on that.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Mostly because I doubt that Zimmerman would have stalked Martin had he not had a gun

So the man who risk his well being to help get people out of a overturn van would not had follow a punk on the public streets without a gun?

Most punks looking to do a little smash and grab and similar robberies are not going to looking for a conflict so until Zimmerman was attacked I can not see why Zimmerman would be in great fear of being attack by Trayvon.

If Zimmerman did have any fear he would had have his gun ready to used in case of need and would not had allowed himself to be sucker punch.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Mostly because I doubt that Zimmerman would have stalked Martin had he not had a gun

So the man who risk his well being to help get people out of a overturn van would not had follow a punk on the public streets without a gun?

Yeah...that is what I think. I doubt Zimmerman would have stalked Martin had he not had a gun.

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Most punks looking to do a little smash and grab and similar robberies are not going to looking for a conflict so until Zimmerman was attacked I can not see why Zimmerman would be in great fear of being attack by Trayvon.

Really. Well, the fact that you cannot "see" something is hardly evidence that it is not so. You are willfully blind on so many things.

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If Zimmerman did have any fear he would had have his gun ready to used in case of need and would not had allowed himself to be sucker punch.

Well maybe he DID have his gun out, but was not smart enough to stay out of trouble anyway. He doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed to me.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Well maybe he DID have his gun out, but was not smart enough to stay out of trouble anyway. He doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed to me.

This is coming from a man who cheerfully bought into the story the news media was selling of a white racist gun nut and the innocent black child and are too ashamed to admitted that you was sold a bill of goods with no truth behind it of any kind.

1)Let see Zimmerman is not white any more then Obama is.

2)He is clearly not a racist of any kind and all the efforts of Holder and the FBI could not find one indication otherwise

3)Well he does seems to like guns and that love in this case save his life

4)Trayvon was not a "child" and from what had come out was far from innocent

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@BillRM,

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Well maybe he DID have his gun out, but was not smart enough to stay out of trouble anyway. He doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed to me.

This is coming from a man who cheerfully bought into the story the news media was selling of a white racist gun nut and the innocent black child and are too ashamed to admitted that you was sold a bill of goods with no truth behind it of any kind.

Where do you get this stuff from? Do you make it up yourself...or do you have someone helping you?

Where have I ever said anything like that?

I have no idea of what happened that night...other than that Zimmerman stalked Martin...and then shot and killed him.

I have no idea of who started the physical confrontation...and have said that throughout.

As far as the "racist" stuff is concerned...I have said that the "racism" of Zimmerman's defenders is more evident than any racism on his part. I have also said that I suspect he was in a dejected, contrary mood...and was looking for someone (anyone, white, black, or pink polka dots) on which to take it out.)

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1)Let see Zimmerman is not white any more then Obama is.

Zimmerman is a lot whiter than Obama. Zimmerman could easily pass as having no black or Latino blood in him at all. Obama couldn't pull that off in any way.

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2)He is clearly not a racist of any kind and all the efforts of Holder and the FBI could not find one indication otherwise

You have no idea if he is a racist...and neither do I.

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3)Well he does seems to like guns and that love in this case save his life

His love of guns cost a young man his life.

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4)Trayvon was not a "child" and from what had come out was far from innocent

Trayvon was younger than the age of majority...and would be considered a minor in many jurisdictions. I call him a young man. As for how innocent he was...well, for all I know you have committed as many crimes as he did.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I have no idea of what happened that night...other than that Zimmerman stalked Martin...and then shot and killed him

So you have no reason to think that Zimmerman did a damn thing wrong that night so why the constant attacked on the man who had been clear by a jury?

Footnote I know you love to used the word stalking but Zimmerman actions that night was not legally stalking under Florida law nor does it fit the common dictionary meaning of that word.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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I have no idea of what happened that night...other than that Zimmerman stalked Martin...and then shot and killed him

So you have no reason to think that Zimmerman did a damn thing wrong that night so why the constant attacked on the man who had been clear by a jury?

Mostly I am taking issue with people like you who are certain Martin was doing something wrong...and that Zimmerman was not doing anything wrong.

I do not know...so I am not accusing anyone of anything...except for the things we know for certain: Zimmerman stalked Martin that night; a physical confrontation occurred; we do not know who initiated the physical confrontation; we know that during the physical confrontation, Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

I am not attacking Zimmerman...I am merely rebutting people like you who are attacking Martin in order to say that Zimmerman could not possibly have been at fault.

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Footnote I know you love to used the word stalking but Zimmerman actions that night was not legally stalking under Florida law nor does it fit the common dictionary meaning of that word.

It fits the dictionary definition of the word like a glove, Bill. And whether or not it was "legal stalking" under Florida law has never been decided.

Zimmerman was stalking Martin...whether illegally or not.

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Frank Apisa said: ..Zimmerman stalked Martin...

Depends what you mean by "stalk" mate; here in Britain it usually means something like "The perverse action of a male who obsessively and persistently follows a woman with the ultimate intention of forcing sexual intercourse on her"
I definitely don't think Zim wanted to have sexual intercourse with Martin, so I think a better choice of word than "stalk" would be 'tailed', or'followed' or 'tracked' or 'shadowed'.

For example here's an old newspaper clip from the days when suspicious russian bears used to get close to Brit airspace and RAF jets were scrambled to shadow them, just as Z shadowed M.. Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/ColdWar-intcept_zpsef20f820.jpg~original

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@Frank Apisa,

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Mostly I am taking issue with people like you who are certain Martin was doing something wrong...and that Zimmerman was not doing anything wrong.

That is my and others judgments base on the evidences and once more a jury clear Zimmerman.

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It fits the dictionary definition of the word like a glove, Bill. And whether or not it was "legal stalking" under Florida law has never been decided.

I had posted the legal and the common dictionary meaning on this thread and neither clearly fit the meaning of that term. For one thing for the common meaning to be true the action needed to be repeated over time not a few minutes one time action.

Next as far as it not being legally decided if the state could have shown that Zimmerman was breaking Florida law by "stalking" Trayvon he would had lost all rights repeat all rights to a self defense claim/defense so the lawyers of the state did not feel that a stalking charge/claim would fly with the court or the jury or they would had gone that route.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: ..Zimmerman stalked Martin...

Depends what you mean by "stalk" mate; here in Britain it usually means something like "The perverse action of a male who obsessively and persistently follows a woman with the ultimate intention of forcing sexual intercourse on her"
I definitely don't think Zim wanted to have sexual intercourse with Martin, so I think a better choice of word than "stalk" would be 'tailed', or'followed' or 'tracked' or 'shadowed'.

For example here's an old newspaper clip from the days when suspicious russian bears used to get close to Brit airspace and RAF jets were scrambled to shadow them, just as Z shadowed M..

Zimmerman stalked Martin.

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@BillRM,

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Mostly I am taking issue with people like you who are certain Martin was doing something wrong...and that Zimmerman was not doing anything wrong.

That is my and others judgments base on the evidences and once more a jury clear Zimmerman.

The jury did not say that Zimmerman was doing nothing wrong.

We do not know.

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It fits the dictionary definition of the word like a glove, Bill. And whether or not it was "legal stalking" under Florida law has never been decided.

I had posted the legal and the common dictionary meaning on this thread and neither clearly fit the meaning of that term. For one thing for the common meaning to be true the action needed to be repeated over time not a few minutes one time action.

Look at your definitions again. What Zimmerman was doing was stalking Marting...and there is nothing in the definitions you offered that disputes that.

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Next as far as it not being legally decided if the state could have shown that Zimmerman was breaking Florida law by "stalking" Trayvon he would had lost all rights repeat all rights to a self defense claim/defense so the lawyers of the state did not feel that a stalking charge/claim would fly with the court or the jury or they would had gone that route.

As you have been told many times, Bill...the prosecution of this case was not quality.

Under any circumstances...unless you can cite a legal ruling that the stalking Zimmerman did on Martin was legal...we have to go with, "We do not know."

Which is what I said.

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