The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

the massive amounts of effort that are squandered trying to figure out what ideas are floating around other peoples heads is one of the top ten things wrong with modern America. Folks like you who encourage this stupidity do us no good. this seems like a bad side of the feminization of the American psyche, closely related to "if he does not love me for the "right" reasons it does not count".

What we need around here is a good heap of strong masculinity.

Get off your soapbox long enough to realize that what you are babbling about is unrelated to the topic of this thread.

Unless you think that George Zimmerman is adding a " a good heap of strong masculinity" to the world.

You're also the jerk who thinks Zimmerman is a "good catch" for a woman.



Right, every woman is looking for a an unemployed fat guy, with no assets and $2.5 million worth of debt, who was arrested for assaulting a law enforcement officer, who's already killed an unarmed kid, and who has a history of domestic violence, threatening people he might use guns on them, and repeated run-ins with the police.

He's a "good catch" all right.

And Zimmerman's adoring admirers in this thread--who seem to be exclusively male--probably do see him as offering "a good heap of strong masculinity" to women and the world--all that violence and aggression and gun use is real "he-man stuff", isn't it?.

Some people don't have any empathy for others, and no sense of humanity.
There have been studies done about people who lack emotion and feelings for others, and they have attached a name for people like Bill, hawk, and David. It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Many on this thread believe their only "friend" is their guns. Kind of sad.

Here's a good link about those Zimmerman apologists. It explains a lot of their behavior and reactions.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html

Strange that I had not seen from you any empathy toward the real crime victim IE Zimmerman from you.

I myself feel so bad for the man that I was one of those who wrote a check for his defense fund.

empathy is about caring about others, not this effort to try to get into other peoples head and trying to be them. That is called acting.

You've proved yourself again - to have a mental illness. My posts are full of support for Trayvon and his family, and why your support for Zimmerman lacks empathy for the victim.

The proof is in the very fact that you fail to see what everybody else sees about you and your mental illness.

All your statements are based on your own imagination, and NEVER FROM THE EVIDENCE OR FACTS from police and court records.

Those are clues that you and your fellow sickies have missed through all these pages of posts.

That link also describes someone like Zimmerman.

The Zimmerman apologists can see themselves in Zimmerman--that's why they excuse and rationalize everything he doe.

A force kiss or even an attempt force kiss is a minor matter that used to be settle with a slap to the face not the criminal justice system.

An bundling it in with rape or attempt rape as the same class of things and trying to fool the public by reporting rape and attempts rape and very minor misdeeds under the same label of sexual assault is a clear attempts to fool the public on how common rape or attempt rape happen to be.

The problem here is the real victim in Zimmerman and his family who have received countless death threats as the government look the other way.

what good is that? It does not employ anybody. It does not make a victim. A slap is nothing compared to threatening a jail cell and bankruptcy.....our sadomasochistic culture exists to scratch an itch.

It is im;possible to have a rational discussion with these Trayvon suck-ups. They invent their own facts and totally reject the real evidence. CI doesn't even comment on the facts in the case, but brings up things like "empathy." I give up.

Now you're making up your own definitions for words.

Caring about others is having compassion, or sympathy, it is not the definition of empathy.

em·pa·thy
noun \ˈem-pə-thē\

: the feeling that you understand and share another person's experiences and emotions : the ability to share someone else's feelings
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empathy

Empathy is very much about getting into other people's heads--being able to identify with them, and understanding what they feel. It has nothing to do with "acting"--it means you can understand what it's like to be in the shoes of another person. It means you can vicariously experience the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another person.

No wonder you have trouble understanding my posts--and you think I give words "secret meanings"--you don't understand the correct definitions of words.

You show very little evidence of having empathy or the capacity for empathic identification with others. That lack significantly diminishes your ability to understand the behavior of others, and you are consequently locked into, and limited by, your own egocentric frame of reference and perspective.

You, Please give up! You'll be ahead by not digging deeper into your own pit.

Plenty of facts and evidence from police records and the trial were reported by both firefly and MiT which none of you could dispute. I made some representations about Zimmerman's injuries that were consistent from the record taken by the police and the investigators.

If they were "invented facts ---that totally rejects the real evidence," you haven't shown what they are. You're free to present them now.

But you can't. You're a loser too, and not only on this subject.

sure, to recognize someone else's emotional state and to have some idea of what it is like to be in the emotional state. it has nothing to do with actually being in the emotional state of another , that is acting.

ideally martin should have had some idea of that zimmerman was feeling and vise versa, it would have made communication and resolution more doable, but the emotional state of these two guys had nothing to do with choosing to conduct a boundary violation unless one or both had not learned to manage their emotions.

No, Advocate, you're really talking about yourself.

You'll insist that Zimmerman was badly beaten and had terrible marks on him to confirm that allegation, but, when I post the real evidence of what he looked like after the shooting, you rejected it, claiming it was some sort of phony picture.

This cell phone photo of Zimmerman was taken after the shooting, and shows a bloody nose. The weird angle of the photo, however, distorts the shape of his nose, making it appear flattened.


This is an official police photo of Zimmerman, taken by the police, in the police station, the night of the shooting, a very short time after the bloody nose photo, after he had wiped the dramatic looking blood off his face. He does not look "beaten up" in any way. He had no terrible marks on him. The shape of his nose is fine. His injuries were very minor. He didn't require any medical treatment, not even a Band-Aid.



Zimmerman's very minor injuries were not consistent with the beating and head-pounding he claimed he received.

That's one reason the chief police investigator on the case found Zimmerman's account "unconvincing," and he recommended to the D.A. that Zimmerman be arrested and charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting.

If you want to look at the "real evidence" you also have to look at the photo of the relatively unharmed Zimmerman after he wiped the blood off his face. The bloody nose photo made his injuries look much more dramatic than they actually were--and noses can bleed from minor trauma. Once the blood was wiped away, Zimmerman looked fine, and his nose looked fine--he did not look "beaten" at all.

So, stop inventing your own facts and rejecting the real evidence.

The important point being that Zimmerman HAD NO TRAUMA. NONE.
All the Zimmerman apologists keep insisting that his head was banged against the cement - but he suffered no trauma. The conclusion? No banging of head on the cement. Why don't you give it a try; bang your head against the cement like you think Trayvon did to Zimmerman - to find out how much injury you incur. We'll call it a first hand experiment to confirm your conclusion about Zimmerman's head concussion - of which none was reported.

This experiment might even knock some sense into it. Who knows?

Hawkeye I do find it hard to feel any empathy to a predator such as Trayvon who was going to either killed or greatly harm Zimmerman for the crime of annoying him.

Can not put myself in the place of Trayvon who feel it was his right to pound someone head against the sidewalk and who try to keep Zimmerman from breathing.

I can placed myself in Zimmerman placed force to employed deadly force as a last resort to save his life from a human predator Trayvon.

The pictures of Trayvon body laying on the ground near where he had try to end Zimmerman life have the same emotional reaction from me as seeing the body of a wolf that was killed during an attack on a human.

It was Zimmerman who never considered the effect of his stalking on Martin--he never once considered he might be menacing and frightening an innocent teen, and the effect that might have. He acted with reckless indifference to Martin's well being by doing that.

He lacked any ability to empathize with Martin, which is also why he failed to defuse the situation by identifying himself. He was so caught up in chasing his "suspect" he never considered the effect of his behavior on that person--who, in this case, was an innocent kid, and a frightened innocent kid, who had conveyed his apprehensions about Zimmerman to the friend he was talking to on his cell phone.

Martin had some idea what Zimmerman was feeling, he thought Zimmerman might have some intention of harming him, because that's usually why people get stalked in the dark, and Zimmerman, by not identifying himself, never dispelled that impression. For all Martin knew, Zimmerman was a deranged serial killer of young black men.

No, emapthy has nothing to do with "acting"--I think you don't understand the definition of "acting" either.

You can vicariously experience the feelings and perspective of another person, and that would be "empathy" and it's not the same as "acting" although professional actors might empathize with their characters.

You need to spend more time with a dictionary, buddy.

Good grief, beside lacking humanity, you lack all decency.

That was a dead child, an innocent dead child, killed by a wannabe cop's lousy judgment and lack of self-control--an asshole who was so angry that he couldn't remain in his vehicle, or abide by the neighborhood watch rules, and who wound up causing a needless, and avoidable, and tragic, death.

You're truly vile and disgusting.