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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:15 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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Two wounded, gunman dead in shooting at high school near Denver
Jason Sickles, Yahoo! By Jason Sickles, Yahoo!
26 minutes ago


Two people have been shot and a shooter may still be inside a high school in suburban Denver, according to multiple Denver news outlets.

Police and emergency vehicles are on the scene at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, about 15 miles south of Denver. Hundreds of students are being evacuated from the school.

The high school is in the Littleton School District, and only a few miles from the scene of previous mass shootings at the Aurora movie theater in 2012 and Columbine High School in 1999.

Denver Post reporter Ryan Parker says witnesses at the scene tell him that a student shot at least two students in the school cafeteria about 1 p.m. MT. Parker tweeted that Adam Jones, whose sister goes to high school, said students are still locked in rooms, and "very scared."

1st photo from #Arapahoe HS shooting scene. @CarlBilek in the area. School behind restaurant. http://t.co/zld1uuphGd pic.twitter.com/Zl3Ivrvx63
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:16 pm
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OmSigDavid said: CONGRATULATIONS on staying in such a beautiful jail or prison, Romeo

Thanks mate, the prison dates from 1825 and 8 cons have been hung there over the years.
Incidentally my cellmate was a black immigrant guy and we got on great, I used to jokingly call him "The Black Butcher of Angola" but I think most of the rumours of his atrocities were only half true..Smile
In fact I was so cool during my time there that I clean forgot when my release date arrived; I was lying on my bunk reading "Geronimo: Apache Warrior" from the prison library when a guard unlocked the cell door and had to remind me with "Why haven't you got your stuff together? Don't you want to leave us?"
Drat, it meant I never did get to know how the book ended!
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
A community would be much safer without the Zimmermans of the world.
For sure, the CRIMINAL components of it
wud be, yes, Frank.

Gun control is O.S.H.A. for criminals on-the-job,
protecting them from the defenses of their victims.

David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Every indication seems to indicate that Zimmerman is a clear danger to any community in which he resides or visits.
He appears to be out-of-control. Sorry you cannot see that.
BULLoney!!
U only say that because of your passionate opposition to freedom and Americanism.





David
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:41 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, we all know you own guns. What we don't know is how mentally stable you are. There are many like you - whether you'll go to any school and kill children or not.

If you didn't own any guns, that worry disappears.

FYI, I'm not saying you don't have the legal right to bear arms. But we all know there are people who own guns that will use it to kill innocent children.

That you feel "safe" in your own ignorance - is your problem. Just hope none of your guns are used to harm anybody who happens to be in your vicinity.

We don't know that you won't. Nobody does.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
A community would be much safer without the Zimmermans of the world.
For sure, the CRIMINAL components of it
wud be, yes, Frank.

Gun control is O.S.H.A. for criminals on-the-job,
protecting them from the defenses of their victims.

David
Frank Apisa wrote:
Every indication seems to indicate that Zimmerman is a clear danger to any community in which he resides or visits.
He appears to be out-of-control. Sorry you cannot see that.
BULLoney!!
U only say that because of your passionate opposition to freedom and Americanism.





David


C'mon, David. You know better than that.

You sound like....well...you know who.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:44 pm
@Frank Apisa,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Yes; that 's absolutely right.
I suspect that what it IS
is that the authoritarians are afraid of guns
and don t wish to wear them, so thay try to trick us out of wearing them
so that we will not be better off than thay are (except for violent criminals on-the-job).


The number game is often play as for example a DOJ paid for study that came up with one in four college women being sexually assault during their time in college earning a four degree.

In order to get that figure they have to call such things as a attempted force kiss as an assault or if a woman ever feel pressure to have sex when she happen to not be in the mood.

This at the same time reported rapes was at a 33 years low.

Frank Apisa wrote:
What exactly would you call it?
I 'd call it an attempt
to use fony appearances to trick American citizens
out of using their Constitutional rights.
Bill was bringing out the point
that a survey was done to show that 25% of college chicks
are sexually assaulted before thay graduate. That makes it sound like rape or sodomy,
when in actual fact it is a much more trivial matter than rape or sodomy.
THAT 'S the point.




Frank Apisa wrote:
A forced kiss IS AN ASSAULT.
Yes; not a rape, not a sodomy.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:44 pm
Quote:
Why we can't have a discussion about race...because only one side is permitted to speak

Detroit News Muzzles Readers
By Colin Flaherty

The Detroit News is really upset about how its readers talk about race.
The same Detroit newspaper that publishes frequent stories on African American festivals, resorts, restaurants, talent shows, health care, breast cancer, academic achievement, art, schools, student performance, veterans, alumni, dropouts, healthy cooking, history, movies, museums, mayors, unemployment, diabetes, Catholic celebrations, heritage, firefighters, music, libraries, churches, racial profiling, photography, senior citizens, theater, churches, lawsuits, books, high school students, academic research, neighborhoods, hair, obesity, and HIV, is puzzled that so many of the people who comment on these stories are racist.

Quote:
But first, some "context."
The same Detroit newspaper -- the largest in the state -- that publishes tons of stories about racial discrimination against black people in schools, local governments, elections, city contracts, criminal justice, jobs, businesses, and everywhere else is cannot figure out why so many of its readers post so many comments that are are so racially insensitive.
The same Detroit newspaper that published dozens of stories on Trayvon Martin and how the young African American man died "because he was black" and as a result, it was now open season on black people, wants to guide us to a more enlightened way of racial communication.
The same Detroit newspaper that cannot rush enough reporters to rallies where speakers say the bankruptcy of Detroit is due to white racism, is really upset that we are not more tolerant.
The same newspaper that features stories and columns about how opposition to Barack Obama is really just racism, in the same way that the paper reports on racism in hockey and public fountains, is pleading for us to open our minds.
The newspaper is of course the Detroit News, the banner outlet for MLive.com and other suburban papers throughout the region.
This is the same newspaper so quick to scoff at the racial element of the Knockout Game -- calling it a myth -- and so eager to dismiss and deny the black mob violence that is an everyday fact of life in the region.
Many documented in White Girl Bleed a Lot: The Return of Racial Violence to America and How the Media Ignore it.
The readers are so off-message about commenting on race at the MLive website that the newspaper felt it needed to post rules about how comply with the racial guidelines: How to discuss racial issues on MLive without violating the Community Rules.
First, if you see one of the daily stories about black history month or the black museum or whatever, and you wonder in the comments sections why there is no counterpart for white or Asian or Amish people, you will be removed.
That is a "false equivalence," said the paper's person officially in charge of being in charge of this kind of thing. Her name is Jen Eyer. On her blog, "The Neurotic Mom," where she also writes about dogs and kids and that's about it, she declares "I've found. I'm pretty open about a lot of things."
Which is why she was able to discover the reason why it is okay to write about Black History Month, but not Amish History Month: "It's a false comparison, as the history of white people in the United States and the history of black people in the United States are not equivalent experiences."
Black people are different. Do tell.
Eyer makes it rain with reasons: She's pretty fed up with commentators wondering why MLive refuses to report racial descriptions in its crime stories. Because it is "not warranted." That's why.
Then why is that among the first thing police dispatchers ask for? And among the first things they broadcast to officers on patrol? If anyone knows, we won't find it in the readers' comments.
Crime statistics are also taboo. Thus sayeth Jen Eyer: "Usually these crime statistics are not helpful to the discussion because they lack other details, such as socioeconomic status, that give context."
Ah yes, the old "racist facts" defense. I get it.
And if, in the course of some review of the latest and greatest hip hop star whose recordings are full of vulgar and glorifying references to drugs, violence, race and lots of other good things, and you want to comment about it in these same terms, don't even think about it.
That is off limits too: So if you wanted to write: "It is no coincidence that the vast majority of those incarcerated are of African American descent. Their culture promotes this kind of "thuggish" behavior," don't bother. Jen does not like that.
And if anyone wants to know why the Detroit News does not cover the tsunami-like levels of black mob violence and black on white crime all over the Detroit region by now, you should know the answer:
Jen don't play that game.


http://commonsensewonder.blogspot.com/






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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 04:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Yes; that 's absolutely right.
I suspect that what it IS
is that the authoritarians are afraid of guns
and don t wish to wear them, so thay try to trick us out of wearing them
so that we will not be better off than thay are (except for violent criminals on-the-job).


The number game is often play as for example a DOJ paid for study that came up with one in four college women being sexually assault during their time in college earning a four degree.

In order to get that figure they have to call such things as a attempted force kiss as an assault or if a woman ever feel pressure to have sex when she happen to not be in the mood.

This at the same time reported rapes was at a 33 years low.

Frank Apisa wrote:
What exactly would you call it?
I 'd call it an attempt
to use fony appearances to trick American citizens
out of using their Constitutional rights.
Bill was bringing out the point
that a survey was done to show that 25% of college chicks
are sexually assaulted before thay graduate. That makes it sound like rape or sodomy,
when in actual fact it is a much more trivial matter than rape or sodomy.
THAT 'S the point.




Frank Apisa wrote:
A forced kiss IS AN ASSAULT.
Yes; not a rape, not a sodomy.



I said it was an assault. I never said it was anything greater. So we agree...it is an assault.
BillRM
 
  2  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 04:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
said it was an assault. I never said it was anything greater. So we agree...it is an assault.


An reporting those figures as sexual assaults to the public with no clarification of what that mean is a clear dishonest attempt to misinformed the public with the hope they will wrongly assume the reported sexual assaults to be rape or attempted rape not trying to get a kiss.

Not to mention that almost none of the women subject to that kind of misdeed consider themselves victims of a sexual assault.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 04:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

BillRM wrote:

I am still shaking my head that assuming you have a partner in your life
that you would fear having firearms in your home due to the risk of her or him using them on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My god what a way to live fearing your own partner.




Really...I don't blame you for being bothered.
I imagine most gun owners are bothered also.
Does that mean that u believe and u say
that members of the Army, of the Marines and local police forces
are "bothered" about their fellows being well armed in their presence??





David
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firefly
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 05:22 pm
BillRM, stop lying and complaining that statistics and links haven't been posted regarding the danger to domestic partners, particularly women, of having a gun in the home.

I previously posted links, and despite your claim of having me on ignore, you obviously read my posts. And Hawkeye posted a link as well.

Here they are again...

Quote:
Of females killed with a firearm, almost two-thirds were killed by their intimate partners. The number of females shot and killed by their husband or intimate partner was more than three times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined in single victim/single offender incidents in 2002.
http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2004.pdf


Quote:
A woman must consider the risks of having a gun in her home, whether she is in a domestic violence situation or not. While two thirds of women who own guns acquired them “primarily for protection against crime,” the results of a California analysis show that “purchasing a handgun provides no protection against homicide among women and is associated with an increase in their risk for intimate partner homicide.”

A 2003 study about the risks of firearms in the home found that females
living with a gun in the home were nearly three times more likely to be murdered than females with no gun in the home. Finally, another study reports, women who were murdered were more likely, not less likely, to have purchased a handgun in the three years prior to their deaths, again invalidating the idea that a handgun has a protective effect against homicide....

Firearms are rarely used to kill criminals or stop crimes. Instead, they
are all too often used to inflict harm on the very people they were intended to protect.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2004.pdf


This is the link Hawkeye posted, along with his comment about you..
Quote:
'In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers'
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

so long as bill does not kill her she should be fine


Zimmerman's domestic partners are much more likely to be shot and killed by him than by any stranger.

And you, and Zimmerman, have both had past domestic partners who had to obtain restraining orders against you for domestic violence.

For both of you, your domestic partner is much more likely to be shot and killed by you, than she is to be killed by any "hoodlum".

That's why Zimmerman's two recent domestic incidents, both of which involved gun threats, must be taken very seriously in terms of the danger he poses.



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firefly
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 05:41 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
An reporting those figures as sexual assaults to the public with no clarification of what that mean is a clear dishonest attempt to misinformed the public with the hope they will wrongly assume the reported sexual assaults to be rape or attempted rape not trying to get a kiss.

Stop lying, you moron, that's not how crime statistics are collated or reported by the DOJ, and that's not how crime statistics are collated or reported by the state. All "sexual assaults" are not lumped together.

You're the one trying to misinform.

Quote:
Not to mention that almost none of the women subject to that kind of misdeed consider themselves victims of a sexual assault.

How the hell would you know that almost none of the women subjected to a forced kiss did not consider themselves the victims of a sexual assault? You've spoken to every woman ever subjected to a forced kiss?

You're a living monument to stupidity.

And Frank is right, you'd feel differently if a another man gave you a forced kiss. If a strange man grabbed you on the supermarket line, and suddenly gave you a long pressured kiss on the lips, you'd look at the matter differently, particularly if he put his tongue almost down your throat.

Meanwhile, your wife is more likely to be shot and killed by you, with one of the guns in your home, than she is to be killed by any stranger.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 05:44 pm
@firefly,
You wrote, in reference to Bill,
Quote:
You're a living monument to stupidity.


Couldn't have said it any better myself! Mr. Green
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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 05:51 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
said it was an assault. I never said it was anything greater. So we agree...it is an assault.


An reporting those figures as sexual assaults to the public with no clarification of what that mean is a clear dishonest attempt to misinformed the public with the hope they will wrongly assume the reported sexual assaults to be rape or attempted rape not trying to get a kiss.

Not to mention that almost none of the women subject to that kind of misdeed consider themselves victims of a sexual assault.


An unwanted or forced kiss...is an assault.

You have not responded to my question: If a man were to force a kiss on you...force a kiss on your lips...what would you consider it?

Perhaps welcome attention?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 05:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
He doesn't think a forced kiss is an abuse.
firefly
 
  2  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 06:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
He doesn't think a forced kiss is an abuse.

Who cares what he thinks? It's legally classified as an assault.

By definition, something "forced" is unwanted. When it's forced on a person's body it's an assault. A kiss is a form of sexual contact. An unwanted, or forced, kiss is a sexual assault.

If BillRM wouldn't mind a forced kiss from another man, particularly if the man forced his tongue down his throat, he'd probably be over the moon with joy if another man, say on a bus, put his hand on BillRM's crotch and began gently fondling his junk.

cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 06:24 pm
@firefly,
I was just being facetious. When has Bill ever provided a reasoned, logical, response?
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 06:28 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
By definition, something "forced" is unwanted. When it's forced on a person's body it's an assault. A kiss is a form of sexual contact. An unwanted, or forced, kiss is a sexual assault.
we cant get the criminal "justice" system to do anything about the Wall Street bandits that have wrecked this economy and who skim several percent of the national GDP off for themselves, but unwanted touching or a pic of a kid that someone in government decides does not have enough clothes on?? Ya, the system is all over that.

What we have here is a serious failure to prioritize, and failure to make good use of our tools.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 06:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
This thread is not about Wall Street. Get a grip!
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firefly
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 07:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I know you were being facetious about BillRM. I was as well.

But BillRM doesn't think most sexual assaults are assaults because he thinks women really "want it" or really aren't bothered by them.

He has no capacity for empathic identification with others who aren't exactly like him--he can't put himself in the place of another person, like blacks, or women, and understand what they are feeling, or what their perspective is like.

That's why he couldn't understand the protests in the black community when Zimmerman wasn't arrested, or their feeling that the questionable death of a an unarmed young black male, who had been racially profiled and staked before he was killed, was being ignored by the D.A. for racial reasons--even though the chief police investigator had recommended to the D,A. that the shooter be arrested and charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting--BillRM couldn't understand the feeling of outrage that this young black male shooting victim was being denied justice by the state.

That's why he can't understand what it might have been like for a barely 17 year old kid, just walking back from the store, to suddenly find himself stalked in the dark, by a "creepy" white man, for no apparent reason, and the fear that teen must have felt when this creep, who never identified himself, suddenly confronted him, and may have tried to keep him from getting away. The last thing his friend Rachel, who was on the phone with him, heard him say, was, "Get off of me," to Zimmerman.

That's why BillRM can't understand the profound sorrow and loss experienced by Martin's parents over the death of their child, particularly a child they feel was murdered, he's never been a parent, it's beyond his frame of reference, and he is unable to see anything except in terms of his own experience, and he has no capacity for empathic identification. And he can't understand their anger that people, like BillRM, have been trying to destroy their dead child's reputation and memory with all sorts of distortions, lies, and innuendos about him.

And BillRM, never having been a woman, thinks women enjoy all sorts of unwanted sexual contacts. He thinks they "want it" or "ask for it" and then lie about that afterward to falsely accuse an innocent male.

Frank and I have just been trying to get him to imagine what it's like to be in a woman's place--to have him be the recipient of a sexual assault.

He's too lacking in empathy to be able to do that.

Zimmerman he can identify with, because they have a lot in common--he can understand Zimmerman. Both have had domestic partners get restraining orders against them for domestic violence, both like to carry and live with guns, both have no compunctions about brazenly lying...

 

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