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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 12:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Game can and are being play concerning statistics and statistics by themselves are meaningless when it come to any individual.

My wife was far far saver being armed when traveling by herself then not being armed.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:06 pm
@BillRM,
That's because you're deaf, blind, and dumb.

Quote:
At Least 194 Children Have Been Shot to Death Since Newtown
The NRA says arming more adults will protect kids—but most are killed at home, our investigation shows, often with unsecured guns.
—By Mark Follman | Tue Dec. 10, 2013 3:00 AM GMT
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:08 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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A forced kiss IS AN ASSAULT.


I am sure that people who are shock at the sexual assault numbers are thinking of not even a force kiss but of an attempt force kiss as a sexual assault.


"An attempt of a forced kiss"...IS AN ASSAULT.

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Making such numbers meaningless as far as any serous wrong doing or harm is concern.


So...a forced kiss...or an attempt at a forced kiss...is doing no serious wrong????

What kind of world do you inhabit?



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As I had said many times the romance leads in 1950s romance comedies would be sexual criminals in the current craziness of today.


Point to a specific instance...and I'll comment. I have no idea what in hell a "romance leads in 1950s romance comedies" is. Can you translate that comment into understandable English?
firefly
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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No matter how much evidence is presented to show that women with guns are more likely than not to be in harms way, these yokels on this thread continue to believe they are safer.

They've got to deny reality, and facts, because reality and facts interfere with their argument about why they need those guns in their homes.

The truth is, BillRM has his own emotional need for the guns--he feels less fearful with them--the fact that his domestic partner is not only not better protected with those guns, she's less safe with them in the home, is in direct conflict with BillRM's emotional need to have the guns, so he just denies and ignores reality so he can justify his emotional need for guns.
His need to have the guns in the home is not based on objective fact, it's all subjective, but he can't admit that.

His need to deny the reality of what George Zimmerman is like is similar--he ignores and denies the reality of Zimmerman's behavior patterns, including his aggressive behaviors, his anger management problems, his poor judgment, his impaired impulse control, and his inappropriate use of gun threats to intimidate and control others, because that interferes with the agenda he's trying to promote, which is that Zimmerman's killing of Martin, after an alleged "attack" is a good example of why people need guns--except Zimmerman provoked that entire episode and caused a needless and avoidable and tragic death of an unarmed kid, because the asshole couldn't control himself and just remain in his vehicle.

Had Zimmerman just been walking around his housing complex, and a stranger came out of the bushes and jumped him, and tried to mug him, and a fight ensued which ended when Zimmerman shot the man, out of fear for his life, BillRM would have a much better argument for his cause, but that wasn't the situation that night in February 2012.

He's been assassinating the character of Martin, with all sorts of distortions and lies, in an attempt to have him seen as a criminal type, so people will think he might have been planning criminal activity, and that he would jump and attack Zimmerman, just like a mugger, all in order to rationalize and excuse Zimmerman's terrible judgment in profiling and stalking an innocent kid who was just meandering around on his way home, not threatening or bothering anyone. And all in order to destroy any shred of sympathy for this kid, or his parents, because sympathy would cast doubt on the appropriateness of Zimmerman's actions, sympathy would acknowledge this was a tragic, and needless, and avoidable, death, so BillRM has to do his version of a "pound and grind" on Martin's reputation.

Zimmerman didn't need to have a gun that night, for self-protection, he needed the judgment, and self control, to remain in his truck until the police arrived. And that's what BillRM will never acknowledge.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
An attempted force kiss not even a force kiss is place into the same classification as a rape and that is done for no other purpose then to produced some eye popping numbers that the surveys producers wish people to assume are all serous assaults instead of the bulk of them being minor misdeeds.

Then you add to it that if a man had whine enough that a woman had given in to her boyfriend wishes when she was not in the mood as a sexual assault also, in other word anyway to pump up the numbers of those surveys.

Most of the women up to 4/5 of them who was being listed as victims of sexual assault on those surveys do not agree with their listing as such and somewhere around 2/3 are still in romance and sexual relationships with the men that the survey listed as their abusers.

As I said surveys can be manhandle to get any results you care to get and I would like to see some links to the studies /surveys that had produce the results on guns that you had quoted here.
firefly
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:35 pm
@BillRM,
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An attempted force kiss not even a force kiss is place into the same classification as a rape and that is done for no other purpose then to produced some eye popping numbers that the surveys producers wish people to assume are all serous assaults instead of the bulk of them being minor misdeeds.

That is a completely false statement.

It's not even worthy of any further discussion, because it's irrelevant to the topic of this thread, and your lies are not worth causing further topic digressions.
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As I said surveys can be manhandle to get any results you care to get and I would like to see some links to the studies /surveys that had produce the results on guns that you had quoted here.

I provided links, and so did Hawkeye.

You and Zimmerman both have no compunctions about brazenly lying.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:39 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

An attempted force kiss not even a force kiss is place into the same classification as a rape and that is done for no other purpose then to produced some eye popping numbers that the surveys producers wish people to assume are all serous assaults instead of the bulk of them being minor misdeeds.

Then you add to it that if a man had whine enough that a woman had given in to her boyfriend wishes when she was not in the mood as a sexual assault also, in other word anyway to pump up the numbers of those surveys.

Most of the women up to 4/5 of them who was being listed as victims of sexual assault on those surveys do not agree with their listing as such and somewhere around 2/3 are still in romance and sexual relationships with the men that the survey listed as their abusers.

As I said surveys can be manhandle to get any results you care to get and I would like to see some links to the studies /surveys that had produce the results on guns that you had quoted here.


Reading...and attempting to understand your attempts at writing, Bill, is a chore...but I guess we've got to do it.

"An attempt to force a kiss" IS AN ASSAULT.

You may not like it, but it is. And if a guy attempted to force a kiss on you, I suspect you would react as though it were an assault. Hell, you might even use it to shoot the guy...an activity you seem anxious to achieve.

It would not be treated as a rape, as Firefly attempted to explain to you.

In any case, the guns in your home are more likely to be used by one of you to kill the other...than to protect you from an assault or a home invasion.
BillRM
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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In any case, the guns in your home are more likely to be used by one of you to kill the other...than to protect you from an assault or a home invasion.


Would you once more care to give the links to studies that had produce those results and when it come to my individual risk of my wife shooting me is concern any bulk study/survey can not give odds of that happening.


The odds are zero as a matter of fact in my individual case as my partner and my lover for decades is not going to turn any weapon on me period. The worst I have to fear from her is yelling at me for some misdeed.

At which point I tend to "sexual assault" her by hugging her and telling her to stop it as she is frightening me......LOL. but that frightening have nothing to do with firearms......

Shaking my head at such nonsense that I have any reason to fear my life partner and once more I feel sorry for you it you have such fear of your wife or life partner.
BillRM
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
In fact David what you are trying to claimed is similar to taking the numbers of pets that are abused in households against the total number of households with pets and then trying to claimed that my pets have some percent odd of my abusing them.when the real odds are zero in my household.

Just as the risk of my wife turning a firearm against me is similarly zero.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:19 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

In fact David what you are trying to claimed is similar to taking the numbers of pets that are abused in households against the total number of households with pets and then trying to claimed that my pets have some percent odd of my abusing them.when the real odds are zero in my household.

Just as the risk of my wife turning a firearm against me is similarly zero.


Learn to write...and then work on statistics and probability.

Okay?
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:23 pm
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Frank Apisa said:@RF- I notice your bio does not say if you were or were not in military service........
A community would be much safer without the Zimmermans of the world

Oh yeah?
1- I was visiting my elderly mother on her pensioners bungalow estate in England about 20 years ago; she'd gone to bed and I was watching the midnight movie on TV in the living room when half a brick came smashing through the window scaring the cat.
Somebody had done a smash and grab for a cheap glittery ornament on her windowsill, we called the cops but he was never caught. I sure as hell wish we had Zimmy on patrol there that night..Wink

2- No I was never in the military, nearest I came was when I was about 17 in the 1960's and sent off for some glossy British Army colour brochures mainly for the cool pics of guns and tanks and things, but I never seriously thought of joining up because i knew i could never stand for all the kit-polishing bullshit and stuff.
But I got the fright of my life a week or two later when a 'Sergeant Butterfield' came knocking my door on a follow-up visit from the local recruiting office in full dress uniform, stripes and all! I never answered and dived behind the settee til he'd gone.

PS- There was a blank joining-up form at the back of the brochure so I filled it in with the name and address of a kid down our street who nobody liked and sent it in, dunno what happened.
(Hey Frank so what was your bomber group number and where exactly were you stationed in England and in what year? As a military nut i'd honestly like to know. Maybe I can even find some pics of you and your old buddies on the net)
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:23 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
In any case, the guns in your home are more likely to be used by one of you to kill the other...than to protect you from an assault or a home invasion.


Would you once more care to give the links to studies that had produce those results and when it come to my individual risk of my wife shooting me is concern any bulk study/survey can not give odds of that happening.


Actually, the comment I made CAN be made based on the statistics.

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The odds are zero as a matter of fact in my individual case as my partner and my lover for decades is not going to turn any weapon on me period. The worst I have to fear from her is yelling at me for some misdeed.


I do not know you or your life partner...but I can tell you that the ODDS are NOT zero. Period.

You do not know what you are talking about here.

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At which point I tend to "sexual assault" her by hugging her and telling her to stop it as she is frightening me......LOL. but that frightening have nothing to do with firearms......


It sounds like a loving relationship...way beyond what I think a guy like you should be able to maintain. But I accept it as the truth despite those misgivings.

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Shaking my head at such nonsense that I have any reason to fear my life partner and once more I feel sorry for you it you have such fear of your wife or life partner.


Still no cigar, Bill. Like I said, I hope your aim is better when you are firing your penis...oops, I mean gun...because not aiming better could be dangerous.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:37 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said:@RF- I notice your bio does not say if you were or were not in military service..
A community would be much safer without the Zimmermans of the world

AHA so you HAVE gone soft like I suspected..Smile


Was this particular "victory" based on anything other than the fact that you know how to use your keyboard???


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1-I was visiting my elderly mother on her pensioners bungalow estate about 20 years ago; she'd gone to bed and I was watching the midnight movie on TV in the living room when half a brick came smashing through the window scaring the cat.
Somebody had done a smash and grab for a cheap glittery ornament on her windowsill, we called the cops but he was never caught. I sure as hell wish we had Zimmy on patrol there that night..Wink


Really. Zimmerman might have been the rock thrower!

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2- No I was never in the military, nearest I came was when I was 18 and sent off for some glossy British Army colour brochures in the 1960's mainly for the cool pics of guns and tanks and things, but I never seriously thought of joining up because i knew i could never stand for all the kit-polishing bullshit and stuff.


Yeah...a lot of wimps use that excuse...so you ought to think up something more manly. You do seem to be the "you protect me, I won't do any protecting" type, though. Those types are parasites on society, Romeo. Choose something else.

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But I got the fright of my life a week or two later when a 'Sergeant Butterfield' came knocking my door on a follow-up visit in full dress uniform, stripes and all! I never answered and dived behind the settee til he'd gone.


Amazing you would even tell that story. Diving behind a settee sounds like something a sissy would do.

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PS- There was a blank joining-up form at the back of the brochure so I filled it in with the name and address of a kid down our street who nobody liked and sent it in, dunno what happened.


You sound less like a clown...and more like a tale teller here, Romeo. Did you really do that?

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(Hey Frank so what was your bomber group number and where exactly were you stationed in England and in what year? As a military nut i'd honestly like to know. Maybe I can even find some pics of you and your old buddies on the net)



3928 Air Base Group (SAC)...stationed at both RAF Sturgate in Upton/Gainsborough and RAF East Kirkby in East Kirkby (both inLincolnshire)...back in 1956 - 1957.

The fish and chips joint just off base in Upton was the best fish and chips joint in the entire UK...and from what I understand, IT STILL IS. If you like fish and chips (who doesn't)...you gotta make a trip up there. (I think they are only open Friday and Saturday nights. Same family still own it.)
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BillRM
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:37 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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and then work on statistics and probability.


LOL I have the normal training in those areas as are given to engineering majors and I know that group statistics can said nothing about any one individual.

An the risk of my wife killing me or harming me with or without a firearm is similar to either one of us abusing our pets and both those odds are zero.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:40 pm
@BillRM,
You,
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and I know that group statistics can said nothing about any one individual.

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Not only is that improper English, but nobody here is talking about "one individual." The statistics are factual whether you wish to believe them or not. TNCFS
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:43 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
and then work on statistics and probability.


LOL I have the normal training in those areas as are given to engineering majors and I know that group statistics can said nothing about any one individual.

An the risk of my wife killing me or harming me with or without a firearm is similar to either one of us abusing our pets and both those odds are zero.


Then learn to read...and read my posting again.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
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and I know that group statistics can said nothing about any one individual.

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Not only is that improper English, but nobody here is talking about "one individual." The statistics are factual whether you wish to believe them or not. TNCFS


He is so far off base, ci...there is no reasoning with him. I encourage him to post only because of the damage it does to his case.
BillRM
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 02:49 pm
@Frank Apisa,
LOL you people are silly and I can only once more feel sorry if you think that your partner, assuming you have one, would be an added risk to you if there was firearms in your home.

By the way readers of this thread please take note when Frank had been ask for links to the studies that back up his claims that members of households with guns in them are at greater risk of being harm by a family member then they are from intruders he had not provided them.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:05 pm
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Romeo said: No I was never in the military.. i knew i could never stand for all the kit-polishing bullshit and stuff.
Frank Apisa replied: Yeah...a lot of wimps use that excuse...You do seem to be the "you protect me, I won't do any protecting" type, though. Those types are parasites on society, Romeo. Choose something else.

You gotta be jivin us boy!
As i've boasted before, I was a fearless VIGILANTE protecting my neighbourhood against black drug gangs, and got 3 months in jail for my trouble, so in a sense I'm harder than Zimmy because I went UNARMED..Smile
And look at the forbidding battlements behind which I was incarcerated, simply being taken through that portcullis in chains and hearing it clang shut behind them must have turned many poor cons legs to jelly, but i took it in my stride!
I expect Hollywood will cast Vin Diesel as me when they film my biopic..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/jailhouse.jpg
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 13 Dec, 2013 03:10 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
CONGRATULATIONS on staying in such a beautiful jail, Romeo.
U have good taste in places of confinement!
 

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