27
   

The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 10:10 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
A community would be much safer without the Zimmermans of the world.
For sure, the CRIMINAL components of it
wud be, yes, Frank.

Gun control is O.S.H.A. for criminals on-the-job,
protecting them from the defenses of their victims.

David


Every indication seems to indicate that Zimmerman is a clear danger to any community in which he resides or visits. He appears to be out-of-control. Sorry you cannot see that.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 10:12 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Yes; that 's absolutely right.
I suspect that what it IS
is that the authoritarians are afraid of guns
and don t wish to wear them, so thay try to trick us out of wearing them
so that we will not be better off than thay are (except for violent criminals on-the-job).


The number game is often play as for example a DOJ paid for study that came up with one in four college women being sexually assault during their time in college earning a four degree.

In order to get that figure they have to call such things as a attempted force kiss as an assault or if a woman ever feel pressure to have sex when she happen to not be in the mood.

This at the same time reported rapes was at a 33 years low.



What exactly would you call it?

A forced kiss IS AN ASSAULT.

If a homosexual were to try to forcibly kiss you...would you say it was just peaceful fun...or would you consider it an assault.

Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 10:13 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
He certainly is guessing that the current one will not shoot him


Guessing after knowing her since 1985?

Well that one way of looking at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.


Oh...so you are sure because you have known her for almost 30 years.

Hummm...maybe you are not as absurdly careful as I have been thinking.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 10:15 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

By the way Frank assuming you are in a relationship would you be in fear of your partner killing you if there was guns in your home??????


If there were guns in my house...I would simply acknowledge that there is a greater chance the guns will be used to kill someone who lives in the house...than an intruder or an assaulter.

But then again...I like to acknowledge the obvious. I have the sense of ethics and backbone to be honest. Twisted Evil
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 10:16 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:


BillRM wrote:

Quote:
I question your reasoning, Frank. What do u know of his guns ?


It not my guns or my wife guns it my wife and our relationship that is in question by his silly claims that I am more in danger from her then a hoodlum on the street.

How sad that he fear having guns in his home due to the risk of his wife deciding to used them on him.


Frank Apisa wrote:
Did your first wife love ya, Bill?
How cud he POSSIBLY know the answer to that ??


I never mind if someone makes a guess...although I prefer them to acknowledge it is a guess.

So...he can give me a guess.

He certainly is guessing that the current one will not shoot him.
I can GUESS who u are going to vote for for President next time.

WHAT are my chances of being accurate ?


If Hillary Clinton were running...quite good.

For everyone else...I'd say 50/50 or thereabouts.

Why did ask?
0 Replies
 
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 10:40 am
@Frank Apisa,
So you would think in your case repeat your case not an over all situation that your woman would be more likely to killed you then some hoodlums?

Amazing that you would keep being married or in a partnership if you feel that way about your partner.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 10:55 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

So you would think in your case repeat your case not an over all situation that your woman would be more likely to killed you then some hoodlums?


Nothing has been said to make that a logical statement at all, Bill.

All I've said is "If there were guns in my house...I would simply acknowledge that there is a greater chance the guns will be used to kill someone who lives in the house...than an intruder or an assaulter. But then again...I like to acknowledge the obvious. I have the sense of ethics and backbone to be honest.

Quote:
Amazing that you would keep being married or in a partnership if you feel that way about your partner.


Nice try, Bill...but you are missing the mark by a wide margin. I hope youf aim when shooting a gun is much, much better.
firefly
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 11:03 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
So you would think in your case repeat your case not an over all situation that your woman would be more likely to killed you then some hoodlums?

Your wife is much more likely to be shot and killed by you, than she is to be killed by any "hoodlum".
Quote:
Of females killed with a firearm, almost two-thirds were killed by their intimate partners. The number of females shot and killed by their husband or intimate partner was more than three times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined in single victim/single offender incidents in 2002.
http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2004.pdf


Zimmerman's domestic partners are much more likely to be shot and killed by him than by any stranger.

And you, and Zimmerman, have both had past domestic partners who had to obtain restraining orders against you for domestic violence.

For both of you, your domestic partner is much more likely to be shot and killed by you, than she is to be killed by any "hoodlum".

That's why Zimmerman's two recent domestic incidents, both of which involved gun threats, must be taken very seriously in terms of the danger he poses.



0 Replies
 
firefly
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 11:23 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
.I would simply acknowledge that there is a greater chance the guns will be used to kill someone who lives in the house...than an intruder or an assaulter..


You're right...and you're being honest.
Quote:
A woman must consider the risks of having a gun in her home, whether she is in a domestic violence situation or not. While two thirds of women who own guns acquired them “primarily for protection against crime,” the results of a California analysis show that “purchasing a handgun provides no protection against homicide among women and is associated with an increase in their risk for intimate partner homicide.”

A 2003 study about the risks of firearms in the home found that females
living with a gun in the home were nearly three times more likely to be murdered than females with no gun in the home. Finally, another study reports, women who were murdered were more likely, not less likely, to have purchased a handgun in the three years prior to their deaths, again invalidating the idea that a handgun has a protective effect against homicide....

Firearms are rarely used to kill criminals or stop crimes. Instead, they
are all too often used to inflict harm on the very people they were intended to protect.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2004.pdf


BillRM's wife, and Zimmerman's domestic partners, are less safe having those guns in the home.
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 11:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
A forced kiss IS AN ASSAULT.

the word "assault" used to indicate degree, when it is used for any and all physical boundary violations, and we dont have a replacement vocabulary able to convey degree information, we loose. Language should not be destroyed for manipulation attempts, it is too important that we have a useful language. civilization depends upon having one.
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 11:54 am
@firefly,
Quote:
BillRM's wife, and Zimmerman's domestic partners, are less safe having those guns in the home.

so long as bill does not kill her she should be fine

Quote:
In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 11:55 am
@firefly,
Quote:
and you're being honest.


I'm glad I caught that instance of Frank doing such a thing, FF. You oughta try it sometime.
0 Replies
 
firefly
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 11:56 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

the word "assault" used to indicate degree, when it is used for any and all physical boundary violations, and we dont have a replacement vocabulary able to convey degree information, we loose

That's why sexual assault laws are more specific--they do define various physical boundary violations, and the severity of the punishments depends on the specific type of violation involved.

You really should read the sexual assault laws, preferably before you shoot your mouth off to criticize them.
firefly
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 12:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
'In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers'
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check

so long as bill does not kill her she should be fine

http://www.city-data.com/forum/members/ruby-wilfong-1429814-albums-more-stuff-pic105563-donald-duck-good-one-laughing-animated.gif
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 12:02 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
You really should read the sexual assault laws, preferably before you shoot your mouth off to criticize them.
by criticism of sexual assault laws are found on another thread. this thread contained my criticism of the abuse of language to further manipulation of others attempts.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 12:11 pm
@firefly,
No matter how much evidence is presented to show that women with guns are more likely than not to be in harms way, these yokels on this thread continue to believe they are safer. TNCFS
firefly
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 12:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
this thread contained my criticism of the abuse of language to further manipulation of others attempts.

You focused on the use of the word "assault" in this thread--that's what prompted your post.

Frank and BillRM used the word "assault".

How did Frank abuse language "to further manipulation of others attempts." ?

What Frank said, when he used the word "assault" was...
Quote:

A forced kiss IS AN ASSAULT.

That's not a abuse of language in any sense--his comment, and use of the word "assault" in that context, is correct both legally and colloquially.

You keep taking people's comments out of context, and distorting how the poster used them, so you'll have a strawman of some sort to bitch about.

What you're trying to say, really doesn't make sense. How did Frank abuse the word "assault"? He used it quite specifically to refer to a forced kiss. How was he furthering "manipulation of others attempts"--whatever the hell that means?

Or are you just making another of your pompous meaningless proclamations that's unconnected to anything actually said in this thread?
Quote:
it is too important that we have a useful language. civilization depends upon having one.

Civilization won't come to an end, Chicken Little, even if people "abuse" language occasionally--which wasn't even done in this thread regarding the word "assault".

Good grief, BillRM abuses language all the time, he murders the English language, yet civilization is still flourishing.

And, certainly, your own language use qualifies for at least a homicide charge on the English language at times. This statement of yours really requires a translator...
Quote:
this thread contained my criticism of the abuse of language to further manipulation of others attempts.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Hawkeye.
0 Replies
 
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 12:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
No matter how much evidence is presented to show that women with guns are more likely than not to be in harms way


LOL so all women even the ones who are expert in handling firearms are in more danger by having them then not.

Amazing idea that the ability to defend themselves is somehow harmful to them.

When my wife was flying into small airports after dark by herself she would had been better off not being arm and therefore being a defenseless target.

Women are children and should not try to take their safety into their own hands.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 12:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
A forced kiss IS AN ASSAULT.


I am sure that people who are shock at the sexual assault numbers are thinking of not even a force kiss but of an attempt force kiss as a sexual assault.

Making such numbers meaningless as far as any serous wrong doing or harm is concern.

As I had said many times the romance leads in 1950s romance comedies would be sexual criminals in the current craziness of today.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 13 Dec, 2013 12:43 pm
@BillRM,
Expert means nothing based on the statistics.

An expert soldier is in harms way a great deal more than any civilian walking on any street in the US. Statistics prove this simple concept.

There are many statistics available to prove that homes with guns are killed and/or injured or victims of violence from guns than homes without guns.

Your brain is dead. Who knows? It might be the result from any of the guns you own.
 

Related Topics

 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 07/17/2025 at 05:25:33