@hawkeye10,
I don't know what you're talking about. In a previous post, to you, I clearly said, about Scheibe, "I don't consider her a victim," so why are you falsely claiming I did?
Stop using me to mount your usual strawman arguments.
Quote:Shellie, and while she claims that George was abusive towards her she never has any examples, we are just supposed to take her self identification as a victim without question.
Shellie never said George was physically abusive, in fact, she made it clear he was never physically abusive during their marriage.
She said he was emotionally abusive to her and she did provide examples--you just never listened to her interviews, or you only heard what you want to hear. The reason she walked out on him the day before he killed Martin was because he had humiliated her in public, after she told him she felt ill, and she didn't want to take that sort of abuse any more.
His abandoning her, to face her own perjury charge alone, was another betrayal, and another sort of public humiliation, because everyone questioned why he wasn't there for her, just as she had been in that courtroom for him, and she had opened herself to that perjury charge for him. And Shellie didn't know what to say, she had no idea where the hell he was, he had just suddenly taken off and disappeared.
Why not take her word? Did you see him in the courtroom during her perjury proceeding? After she had sat in that courtroom every day for him, he couldn't have given her a bigger slap in the face, and a public slap in the face, than not to show up for her court case. And he didn't even let her know where he was. He just vanished.
That might or might not be your idea of "abuse" but it's Shellie's idea of mistreatment, or emotional abuse, that he had been directing at her, things designed to hurt and humiliate her, and damage her self-esteem, and that's why she left him before he killed Martin, she had had enough. And she said, she's sorry that the killing got her re-involved with the relationship, that she got pulled back into it because he needed her. I guess, as soon as the trial ended, she had served her purpose for him, so he abandoned her rather immediately, like a used Kleenex.
Her response was to file for divorce. She was the one who moved to legally dissolve the relationship. She's not playing "the victim"--she's acting, she's taking control, she's removing herself from the marriage and any further obligation to him.
And, in September, it was George who provoked that entire incident, by hot-headedly charging over to the house, and assaulting her father, and making gestures as though he might pull a gun on them.
If you menace, and threaten, and mistreat people, the way Zimmerman does, that is harmful to people, it's emotionally harmful because of the amount of anxiety he generates and the amount of anger he provokes.
And there is no reason to think that he didn't behave in a similar manner toward Trayvon Martin that night, with definitely harmful results, because that's Zimmerman's pattern. He may not be like that constantly, but it's a definite part of a pattern with him.
These women aren't promoting themselves as "victims"--that's your usual strawman. On the other hand, you and the Zimmerman groupies in this thread, can't stop promoting Zimmerman as a victim, although his legal difficulties, and law enforcement run-ins, are clearly due to his own behaviors, and judgments, and all of them could have been avoided by him, including the killing of Martin.
That's your idea of a victim?