The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

Actually, Bill…the racial component has never been compelling to me…and I did not highlight it during my early conversation in this thread. But listening to some of the talk here in A2K got me to see that I was being too easy on you guys here…so I started discussing the racial motivation I perceive in the people defending Zimmerman and vilifying Martin who were discussing the issue in this thread.

My feelings about Zimmerman were not (and still are not) that racial motivation was the main force working on him. My feeling are that Zimmerman is an angry failure in life who is looking to “take it out” on anyone he can…the women in his life…and on the occasion of his encounter with Trayvon Martin…on Trayvon. Any person in that area that night who Zimmerman could imagine looked suspicious...was in trouble, black or white.

In my opinion, Zimmerman was looking for a confrontation…and Martin provided that opportunity.



None of the facts direct themselves to that theme whatsoever, Bill.

The facts are that Zimmerman stalked Martin…that they had a physical encounter…and that Zimmerman shot Martin to death. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. (Zimmerman had some superficial injuries, but we have no FACTS about how the injuries came about except the word of Zimmerman.)

The motives are not part of the facts; the person who initiated the physical confrontation are not part of the facts; and how the physical confrontation accelerated to the shooting are not part of the facts. All those things ARE IN DISPUTE. They are not part of the facts.



Baloney! My guess is most of the people in A2K see the FACTS as I described them…and the jury probably did also. The jury decided there was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman. That is all the jury decided. They did not find him innocent; they did not find that Zimmerman did not stalk Martin; they did not determine who initiated the physical confrontation; and they did not determine how the physical confrontation accelerated into the shooting.

So stop your silly nonsense, Bill.

One question for you Frank; if Trayvon was white, would Zimmerman have followed him? I think not!

My question to you is how do you not know that Zimmerman was not even sure of Trayvon race!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lord what assholes.

I am not sure, ci...and I am not going to speculate.

But my point above is that the racial component on this issue may be undecided (for me) for Zimmerman...

...but in my opinion the racial component for his defenders here in A2K is not.

Zimmerman MAY HAVE JUST BEEN PISSED and frustrated...and looking to take it out on someone. The target of Trayvon Martin may have been an accident...with the racial component only coming into play after the target was determined to be black.

But these guys here leave precious little doubt about themselves. They are racist to the core.

Oh so that is why he was trying to get the police on the scene because he wish to confronted Trayvon himself.

Two men with cell phones and only one of them calling the police and it was not Trayvon.

So the people who dare to state that the three Duke players look to be innocent must had been racists also and Sharpton and the 88 Duke professors and Sharpton and Jackson along with the new black panther party who assume they was guilty of gang raping a poor black woman was not racists????????

Are the six women who was on Zimmerman jury racists also Frank??????

You're not only a racial bigot, but a blind one too! TNCFS

I was not aware that white or hispanic punks have been breaking into the homes in the neighborhood, it has appeared to be black punks, so profiling martin as a possible black punk in need of watching makes rational sense.

Of course and the rallies of Sharpton and Jackson demanding Zimmerman be charge and partly paid for by the DOJ have nothing to do with race. Threatening riots with group chatting of no justice no peace.

With the new black panther party putting out wanted posters.

The same people who rally against the three white Duke players charge with gang raping a black hooker/dancer and with the same rallies and wanted posters.

You continue to contradict your own statements. LOL

How can Trayvon not be anything but black?
You,

Just look at Trayvon. Do you think he's white? Would anybody mistake Trayvon for white? Oh, maybe, except Zimmerman.

Fool it was dark and raining and Trayvon was cover up and when ask what Trayvon race might be by the 911 operator Zimmerman stated he was not sure he might be black........

And the fact his wife walked out on him the day before may have had something to do with that.

That night, Zimmerman was on his way to do the weekly grocery shopping--something he and his wife did, together, every week, so he would have been feeling her absence as he made that trip alone, and then he spotted Martin...and, maybe he needed to focus on Martin to take his mind off his marital problems. maybe Martin became the scapegoat for the anger and frustration he was feeling...becoming wannabe cop helped him to feel powerful and in control again..

We could speculate endlessly.

BillRM completely overlooks the fact that the racial issues raised in this case also focused on the D.A. just tossing off the death of a black teen, and declining to charge his white shooter, even though the chief police investigator found the shooter's version of events less than credible, and he recommended that the shooter be charged with manslaughter.

So BillRM is being overly simplistic with his cartoonish "evil racist" portrayals of Zimmerman. A good deal of the public protest had to do with how the criminal justice system, the D.A., handled the death of an unarmed black kid, who had been engaged in no criminal behaviors before he was stalked and killed by his white shooter. The racist allegations were leveled at the D.A. --for declining to arrest and charge Zimmerman.

The issue of Zimmerman, and whether he had racially profiled Martin, was really secondary--the protests were initially about the criminal justice system and how it handled cases with black victims. And, in this case, it appeared that the shooter had racially profiled the victim, and that led to his death, and the D.A. had ignored that as well.

And the main people upset by this were, understandly, Trayvon Martin's parents, because the criminal justice system had acted as though the questionable circumstances of their son's death just didn't matter. And they were the ones who started to make noise about it. They wanted Sharpton's help, and that's how he got involved. They needed him to help organize and get media attention. And he did a good job of it.

Maybe that's a little too complicated for BillRM to understand, so his highly abbreviated, and very distorted, version, is that black activist race baiters pounced on an inter-racial killing, and rabble roused to get the "evil white racist" Zimmerman arrested, and they turned it into a case about race, and made it a "political prosecution" and threatened to riot if that didn't happen.

That's nonsense, they weren't threatening riots, that's BillRM's paranoia and fear of blacks. "No justice, no peace" means the demonstrations will continue until justice is done, which in that case meant holding Zimmerman accountable for his causing a death. They didn't even riot after the verdict, even though 86% of the black community disagreed with it. They weren't about trying to cause violence. They had gotten the trial they wanted.

Zimmerman's credibility was suspect from the outset. An unarmed kid was dead, and he admitted shooting him, but since his version of events was unconvincing, he should have been arrested and charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting--just as the chief police investigator recommended to the D.A.. Then there would have been no need for all those demonstrations, and all the racial tensions that flared, on both sides.

BillRM just doesn't get it.

By the way if we are talking race is this the mother of a "white" racist?



I know you love to label Zimmerman as a white Latin but he is of mixed race including black blood in his veins.

By DNA if not skin color he is no more white then Obama.

Here is a great grandfather of Zimmerman

Do we commonly identify others by skin color appearance or by DNA?

You really sound like an Aryan/Nazi with your notions of race and racial purity.

In your book, neither Zimmerman nor Obama are part of the "Master Race".

A single black great-grandfather negates any claims you can make to being white--a sentiment Hitler would have agreed with.

rarely is real life all black or all white, and it is not often when we split conflicting parties into "victims" and "abusers". Those we call victims are not normally free from blame, they simply carry less that the ones we choose to call abusers. You say indigently "hawkeye10 blames the victims!" to which my response is "certainly, and you should too".

what is really is crazy is in cases like George and his women were a lot of people assume that george is the abuser and the women are the victims, when not only do we dont know this for a fact but the situation actually might be the reverse. It is nuts for you to admit the the George/GF interactions make no sense, which is an admission that you dont understand the truth, and to then have GF defined as the victim and parley those who are critical of her behavior of conducting "blame/trash/demean/vilify the real victims as harm, ".......you cant prove that GF has suffered any harm. the same goes for Shellie, and while she claims that George was abusive towards her she never has any examples, we are just supposed to take her self identification as a victim without question. nope, not me, I know that humans sometimes lie.

Yes indeed for Firefly if it a woman, with special note if she is a black woman she is the victim always and I am sure that Crystal Mangum who falsely charge the three Duke players with gang rape, and then went on to set fire to an apartment building and later knife to death one of her boyfriends is still the victim in Firefly world view.

Take note that the two Zimmerman women are running him down in national TV interviews for revenge or looking to sell interviews for $$$$$ to run him down and at the same time he have not said a damn word.

Zimmerman better have any woman he get involved with in the future sign a non disclosure agreement beside exercising far better judgment on the women he allowed into his life.

What if those two women wrote books to earn $$$$. You have a problem with that?

Do u expect them to HONOR the agreement ?

Given he had yet to say one negative word toward either woman if they write books to run him down I kind of have a problem with that.