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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Advocate
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:02 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

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It is also not relevant that he briefly followed M. That was legal (and perfectly advisable conduct for a neighborhood watch guy.)


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Right, Adovocate, it was "perfectly advisable conduct for a neighborhood watch guy" to follow Martin--if it's so "perfectly advisable conduct for a neighborhood watch guy", why is following a "suspect" against the neighborhood watch rules--and Zimmerman set up that neighborhood watch, so it's not like he didn't know those rules.
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It is clear that M sucker-punched Z, straddled him, and almost beat him to a pulp.

If Martin straddled him, and was beating him to a pulp, how did Zimmerman manage to get his gun out--it was holstered in the back of his waist?

I think he had that gun out all along, and what the witness saw, which wasn't much, was not a "beating" or a fight, but a struggle over the gun.

And Zimmerman's reaching for that gun would have been good reason for Trayvon to have punched him once in the nose--in self-defense.

So, how do you think Zimmerman managed to his gun out, with Martin on top of him, straddling him, and beating him up? Or don't you think.
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Case closed!

I think you mean your mind is closed.

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This is kind of silly: too silly to warrant a reply. Besides, I have more important things to do, like reorganizing my sock drawer.
firefly
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:03 pm
@BillRM,
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You are right no matter how the supporters of the hoodlum Trayvon whine and declare us all racists the jury had rule and the case is closed.

Does that mean you'll actually stop talking about it already? Laughing Or don't you have an "off" switch. Laughing

Now we should move on and discuss the possible danger Zimmerman poses to others now--given his penchant for threats of gun use.

There are lots of living people he can still kill...
Advocate
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:07 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:

You are right no matter how the supporters of the hoodlum Trayvon whine and declare us all racists the jury had rule and the case is closed.

Does that mean you'll actually stop talking about it already? Laughing Or don't you have an "off" switch. Laughing

Now we should move on and discuss the possible danger Zimmerman poses to others now--given his penchant for threats of gun use.

There are lots of living people he can still kill...


I have a feeling that George is hero to many people who have been victimized by thugs. Living in big cities, using public transportation, etc., I have been victimized, but had no gun to either protect myself or retaliate.
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parados
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:12 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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One question for you Frank; if Trayvon was white, would Zimmerman have followed him? I think not!


My question to you is how do you not know that Zimmerman was not even sure of Trayvon race!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lord what assholes.

We know that Zimmerman told the operator that Martin was black. After the huge stink you made about how 'CBS' edited the tapes to show Zimmerman was a racist, I wonder how you could forget such a simple fact.
firefly
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:13 pm
@Advocate,
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Be honest. Were you receiving a beating that gave you the marks Z had, and you had a gun, would you not use it on your attacker

http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/zimmerman_time.jpg
Zimmerman, in the police station after the shooting. Wow, look at those "terrible marks" Zimmerman had. Put on your glasses, if they are too small for you to see. Laughing Those "terrible marks" sure do justify killing someone.

Yes, he had a gun and he used it--but, did he need to use it, or did he want to use it.

He sure doesn't look beat up...
BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:14 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
This is kind of silly: too silly to warrant a reply. Besides, I have more important things to do, like reorganizing my sock drawer.


That is the reason I had her on ignore for many months by now.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:15 pm
@parados,
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We know that Zimmerman told the operator that Martin was black.


He said he look black that is hardly a 100 sure statement of race.

Quote:
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
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Advocate
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:15 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:

Be honest. Were you receiving a beating that gave you the marks Z had, and you had a gun, would you not use it on your attacker

http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/zimmerman_time.jpg
Zimmerman, in the police station after the shooting. Wow, look at those "terrible marks" Zimmerman had. Put on your glasses, if they are too small for you to see. Laughing Those "terrible marks" sure do justify killing someone.

Yes, he had a gun and he used it--but, did he need to use it, or did he want to use it.

He sure doesn't look beat up...


Shame on you. You ignored the real post-beating photos shown above. How dishonest! You should be ignored.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:16 pm
@firefly,
These jokers keep pressing the point about Zimmerman's injuries when Zimmerman himself didn't want further medical care or to be taken to the hospital - even after somebody asked him if he wished to be taken to the hospital.

They've lost it all! They wanted Zimmerman to have suffered more from his injuries. HE DIDN'T!
Advocate
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

These jokers keep pressing the point about Zimmerman's injuries when Zimmerman himself didn't want further medical care or to be taken to the hospital - even after somebody asked him if he wished to be taken to the hospital.

They've lost it all! They wanted Zimmerman to have suffered more from his injuries. HE DIDN'T!


Oh, you think George should have waited until he was dead?
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BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:24 pm
@Advocate,
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d.Shame on you. You ignored the real post-beating photos shown above. How dishonest! You should be ignore


I came to that conclusion as I said a while ago concerning Firefly and have place her on ignore.

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BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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These jokers keep pressing the point about Zimmerman's injuries when Zimmerman himself didn't want further medical care or to be taken to the hospital - even after somebody asked him if he wished to be taken to the hospital.


You are not bright enough to understand the concept that it not the degree of the injuries that matter what matter is that it show who the attacker happen to had been.
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firefly
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:28 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:

This is kind of silly: too silly to warrant a reply.

The issue of how Zimmerman managed to get his gun out, from the back of his waist, with Martin on top of him, allegedly beating him, was not considered "silly" at his trial, it was an example of only one of his many credibility problems...and the defense really couldn't answer the question...
That suggests the gun was already out....before Martin got on top of him...

Then there was the credibility problem with his claim that Martin put his hand over his nose and mouth, to keep him from screaming and breathing. Yet Zimmerman also claims he was the one screaming. Rolling Eyes And Zimmerman had blood under his nose, so how did Martin manage not to get any of Zimmerman's blood or DNA on his hands while they covered Zimmerman's nose and mouth?

Ah, those pesky credibility problems with Zimmerman's version of events. No wonder you Zimmerman groupies avoid them.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:38 pm
@firefly,
They look sillier with almost every post - based on their own imagination rather than from police or court records. They just don't care, so why should we? They've already been challenged on most of their claims from actual records. The score is now 100 to zero; they still believe they have some modicum of truth when in fact they don't' know what they're talking about 100% of the time.
firefly
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:39 pm
@Advocate,
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Shame on you. You ignored the real post-beating photos shown above. How dishonest! You should be ignored.


No, this the official police photo, taken in the police station the night of the shooting. He simply wiped the dramatic-looking blood off his face that was visible on the cell phone photo taken a very short time before he was brought into the police station. This is what his face looked like without the blood.
http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/zimmerman_time.jpg

Why do you think the chief police investigator found Zimmerman's version of events "unconvincing"? One reason was because his extremely minor injuries didn't fit the beating and head-pounding he alleged had been done to him. That's why the chief police investigator recommended he be charged with manslaughter the night of the killing.

The investigator was able to think...

You really can't think, can you?
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firefly
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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They look sillier with almost every post - based on their own imagination rather than from police or court records. They just don't care, so why should we?

They all sound absolutely absurd. They ignore facts, they ignore physical evidence, they ignore all of Zimmerman's credibility problems. Laughing

If Zimmerman were a woman who claimed she killed a man defending herself from an attempted rape, and described being beaten to a pulp, and having had her head pounded on concrete, but had no real injuries to support that, and her version of events was full of credibility problems, I know BillRM wouldn't believe her--he'd be carrying on that she was making a false rape accusation against an innocent dead man, and that she was a murderer.

So I wonder why his judgment about Zimmerman should be so different? He's such a blatant hypocrite. Laughing

I don't care what these people think. Let them believe their fantasies.

I'm more concerned about all the living people that Zimmerman still might kill.



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BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 10:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Only cowards carry guns, because they want to look tough. Without guns, they are sissies.


Just on the local news a 68 wife and her 71 husband was attacked by two young hoodlums on coming home and beaten so badly that the woman might not live.

Yet it would had been oh so unfair if the couple have been cowardly enough to be carrying firearms and killed both of their attackers as after all it would not had then been a fair fight.

With the young men only having fists against guns.

Thanks god that couple was not sissies enough to be carrying guns.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 10:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
That's a very good point about Zimmerman's reputation; what employer
would even consider hiring this aggressive, angry, murderer - who would shoot first?

Prolly, David, hawk, and Bill. Mr. Green
Yes. I 've been retired from the practice of law for years, but if I still had my law firm,
I 'd consider engaging Zimmy 's services in my non-professional support staff.
I can see getting to know him in an interview, and depending on its results, giving him a chance.
He seems like a good guy.

I don t believe that he has done anything improper with any of his guns,
altho I must admit that I can be mistaken, but I 'd give him a shot,
at least to apply for the job. I 'm sure that I 'm not alone in that sentiment.

I have had employees in the past who have manifested unmanageable anger
issues, in consequence whereof it became necessary to relinquish their services.
If anyone is found to be too troublesome then that must be addressed, but
I can see giving Zimmy a chance. This time, C. I. is right. That does not happen ofen.



David
firefly
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 10:26 pm
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George Zimmerman’s attorney on girlfriend’s ‘change of heart’
December 12, 2013 a

Last month, George Zimmerman was arrested after a dispute with his girlfriend Samantha Scheibe in Seminole County, Florida.

Zimmerman, 30, will not face charges in the incident, however. Wednesday, State Attorney Phil Archer announced “there is no reasonable likelihood of successful prosecution.”

In November, Scheibe accused Zimmerman in a 911 call of pointing a gun at her and pushing her outside of a home the couple shared. Scheibe has since provided Zimmerman’s attorney Jayne Weintraub with a sworn statement asking that he not be charged with aggravated assault, battery or criminal mischief.

Lisa Bloom, legal analyst for NBC’s “TODAY” Show, spoke exclusively with Zimmerman’s attorney Jayne Weintraub. Bloom, author of the upcoming book Suspicion Nation: The Inside Story of the Trayvon Martin Injustice and Why We Continue to Repeat It, asked Weintraub what spurred Scheibe’s “change of heart.”

“I don’t know that there is a change of heart,” Weintraub answered. “I think that there as an argument between two people that escalated, they’re under a lot of stress, they’re in the public’s eye…I think that in the course of a domestic relationship sometimes things do get out of hand.”

Bloom also asked Weintraub if Scheibe could face any legal trouble for her admission to making inaccurate statements to law enforcement on the 911 call. Weintraub told Bloom she doesn’t think Scheibe lied and that her call to police may have have been taken out of context.
at
http://thegrio.com/2013/12/12/george-zimmermans-attorney-on-girlfriends-change-of-heart/


Well Zimmerman's own lawyer is now not denying that Zimmerman did point a gun at his girlfriend, or do the other things she accused him of, because she says that Scheibe did not lie in her 911 call.

I really hope his lawyer has convinced him to go for psychiatric help, before he kills himself, or someone else.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 10:43 pm
@BillRM,
Footnote the home security camera record the wife running back to her husband and there being attacked and beaten but sadly if it been my sissies of a wife she would have her S&M 38 in her hands and would had blown both of those fine young men away.

Thank god it was a couple who was brave enough not to be armed so those fine young men are alive.
 

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