The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

Yes. I know.





David

DAVID I am aware that you know this but there are far too many posters on this thread that for some reason need to be told those facts over and over as they keep bringing it up.

You mean that it's okay for him to insult me about Pearl Harbor, but I should be quiet? What world do you live in? I'm not a christian, and I do not turn the other cheek!

It is OK for anyone to insult you.

Advocate, That you missed David's racial bigotry is not surprising.

LOL you are willing to insult others but can not take an insult back how very strange is that?

Japan culture to this day in one of the most racist in the world bar none and to this very day Japan is refusing to face up to it evil deeds before WW2 a lot driven by not seeing other peoples as human.

Pearl Harbor in the least of the deeds that Japan people have blood on it hands over.

What money? Whose money?

Zimmerman is the one more in need of money--if he's indigent, he's been living in her house and sponging off her. Unless he lied to another judge about his assets and has some money stashed somewhere. The man, who has always been in debt, long before any of his legal woes, is now saddled with a mountain of debt, and no earning capacity. He's blown whatever he could have made from books or films, because of his post-acquittal antics, and one interview might be all people are willing to listen to, and interviews don't pay that much.

Love?

Depends by what you mean by love.

From what she told the reporter, it sounded more like compassion and affection on her part, and, whatever romance or passion was there didn't last long, since she said the relationship began falling apart about a month after it started, mainly because of his emotional problems.

No, I don't see her as the victim, and I think they're both using each other.

We don't know what this woman is like, or what her life was like before the end of August when she got involved with Zimmerman. We know more about what his life has been like, particularly since he killed Martin, and it ain't been good, and his future prospects don't look very sunny, and I can believe that he's deeply depressed and flirting with the idea of suicide, and he's always had problems with his anger, so he must really be a barrel of laughs to live with now.

It sounds like his girlfriend has been his only source of emotional support for the past few months, so my guess is that he needs her a lot more than she needs him right now. He's not close to his family, and, just as he used Shellie to help get him through the pre-trial and trial stress, even though their marriage was pretty much over, I think he's been using his girlfriend to get him through his post-trial and divorce stress, she's his emotional crutch. I think he's probably in too much inner emotional turmoil, and too much emotional neediness, at this point in his life, to be able to manage anything approximating a healthy relationship with anyone.

So I think you're being overly simplistic in trying to view this relationship in terms of a victim/abuser dichotomy.

I don't think her 911 call was "stupid"--first she talked to a reporter, allegedly as a way of trying to get some "help" for George, to push him into some kind of psych treatment, and she might have called 911 for the same reason, to essentially snap him into realizing he was out of control and needed help. She wasn't really in terror of him when she made the call--she made the call after he allegedly pointed the shotgun at her--she just couldn't deal with the way he was acting, she wanted him to get out of her house, and he wasn't going. And the police did find her locked out of her house, with George barricaded inside, she didn't make that up, and he had thrown her out of her own house before, according to what she told the reporter. Who wants to live that that? She doesn't hate the man, she just can't deal with him, and he does need help, and I can't see why anyone would doubt that.

Personally, I don't care about the domestic relationship of these two, or whether they stay together or not.

I'm more interested in how the allegedly indigent Zimmerman was suddenly able to afford an expensive high profile lawyer, and what went on between that lawyer and his girlfriend that resulted in her dropping the charges, and whether this violated any ethical boundaries on the lawyer's part, in terms of her possibly manipulating, or coercing, Scheibe to do that, solely for the benefit of her client.

And I truly don't think my questions are likely to be answered, not honestly at any rate.

And I hope Zimmerman gets himself some psychiatric help and fades into oblivion. Unless he does something dramatic, or gets himself involved with the police again, the media isn't interested in him, and even his run-ins with the police are getting tiresome. The man has a lot of problems, and people are tired of hearing about them.

That's a very good point about Zimmerman's reputation; what employer would even consider hiring this aggressive, angry, murderer - who would shoot first?

Prolly, David, hawk, and Bill.

LOL the NRA perhaps..............or maybe one of the tens of thousands that send him many hundreds of thousands of dollars for his defend funds just to start with?

Not every one have buy into the media driven idea that he an evil killer instead of a crime victim that happen to be an outstanding citizen who became a target of the Media, aided by the race baiters and the anti gun nuts.

Hell he can write a book when he is ready to do so and go on a lecture tour as I for one would buy his book and go to hear him talk.

LOL and more LOL I would bet that not a few right wing sheriffs in this nation would hired him as a police officer and would that not burn you Zimmerman haters rear ends!!!!!!!!!!!!

the money mom and daughter thought they could get out of selling their Zimmerman story. Word us that mom at least is in financial trouble, and leading up to the blowout it was not a case of no one being willing to pay for their story but rather they thought the story was worth many multiples more than anyone was willing to pay.

BillRM, how, in any way, is C.I. associated with Pearl Harbor?

He's as American as you are, and considerably more of a patriot than you are, in terms of having served his country.

David was being highly offensive and insulting, and so are you.

Your bigotry is disgusting--you dump on blacks, Muslims, women, Christians, and on and on.

C.I. was right to call you "white trash"--that's exactly white you are, and that's not a slur against white people, it's meant to describe you as a lowlife, who demeans others whose skin is not white. You're a person with very little humanity, or compassion, or understanding, even less tolerance, and mostly you spew hate and hostility at A2K.

Would it make you feel better if you're just considered plain "trash", without the white part?

He applied to a police force, long before he killed Martin, and he was turned down as an unsuitable applicant. And he certainly hasn't proved his suitability since then, and no one would hire him for any sort of law enforcement or security job.

And Zimmerman's legal defense fund dried up before his trial even got started, and the NRA would be crazy to embrace this man now, given the fact he's using guns, or threatening to use them, to express his anger and control others, which is not the image of responsible gun ownership the NRA wants to be associated with--he's giving gun owners a bad name.

And what the hell would he have to talk about on the lecture circuit? How he keeps getting himself into legal difficulty? How to blame your accusers? How not to keep a low profile?

He's even less employable than Casey Anthony, because he's more easily recognized than she is. And he seems considerably more emotionally disturbed and unstable.

I said before, you think he's so wonderful, then take him into your house, give him a home, let him mow your lawn for you, just don't provoke him...

What story do they have to sell? What it's like to live with George Zimmerman? Who cares? Did you see any of O.J.'s girlfriends able to sell their stories of what he was like to live with after his acquittal? And O.J. was a real celebrity before he became a murderer, he actually had a track record of real success and accomplishment, both as a football player and in movies, so, if anything, people had more interest in him.

Even the National Enquirer likely isn't interested in the kind of "story" Scheibe and her mother might tell. What would be the basis for such interest? And Scheibe was telling her story--to a reporter--for free. Which means her main motive wasn't money.

People like Shellie, and Scheibe, tell their stories to try to explain themselves to all the people who think they are nuts for living with someone with a history of violence, they're not really doing it to spill the beans on George. Shellie used her interviews to explain herself, and her decisions, she said next to nothing that was revealing about George. And her 5 minutes of so called "fame" is just about up. And there's even less interest in Scheibe's story, or in paying for it, because it's not a ratings draw, this latest domestic incident, including her withdrawal of charges, barely got any media coverage at all. Yeah, that reporter might have given her some air time, free, but most people aren't interested in her domestic difficulties even if they involve George Zimmerman. People are more concerned about whether the man is potentially dangerous, to the community, and the only interest in Scheibe would be whether she could shine any light on that, and whether he should be playing with guns.

You're assuming a continuing interest in George Zimmerman that I don't think is there. There are lots of emotionally disturbed people in this world, and he's just one of them. The previous interest in him was about the legal case, and that's done with. There's very little inherent interest in him otherwise.

I replied to you, right after you had showed a quote from advocate about 'that neighborhood being plagued with crime', since I thought his words were bizarre.

Okay, now I understand. But I think your post, to me, would have made more sense had you addressed it to Advocate, since it was his words you found bizarre. No big deal.

This entire thread is bizarre...beyond bizarre.

How these people can actually take the position they are taking...

...to vilify Trayvon Martin and his parents...

...and to heap praise on Zimmerman; call him a hero and such...

...is beyond bizarre.

I can only hope humanity is above this stuff showing itself here in A2K.

How dare we vilify a young hoodlum who attacked a citizen and try to killed him.



You mean the outstanding citizen that not only did crime watch but took his time to seek justice for a black homeland man who was beaten by a police officer son and then charge with the crime of assault instead of his attacker?

Who had voluntary to be a mentor to fatherless black boys and so on?



Sorry not all of us are brain dead and will go along with anything the media is trying to sell to the point they are willing to outright lie over the matter.

Yeah...not all of your are.

But some of you seem to be. In fact, most of you seem to be.

I know you would love to believe the story of an evil white racist gun nut killing an innocent young child on his way back from a 7/11 for no reason other then hate and racial fear.

The problem is none on the facts either about Trayvon or Zimmerman or the facts as we know them concerning the encounter that results in Zimmerman wounds and Trayvon death match up with that picture in anyway or in any manner.

For the millions an one time that is not only my opinions and others here on this thread but by a jury of 6 women 5 of them being mothers that hear the evidence an rule Zimmerman innocent of all charges.

Unfortunately, this thread isn't unique.

BillRM and Hawkeye regularly turn criminal defendants into the "victims" and they blame/trash/demean/vilify the real victims of harm, and/or they blame the government for even regarding such actions as criminal and turning the defendant into a "victim" of the "unjust" laws.

So they blame rape victims for their own rapes, a cyclist hit by a drunk driver for his own death, the laws for criminalizing things like possession of child pornography, which they see as a victimless crime, except for the "victim" who's arrested for possessing it, so what they are doing in the case of Trayvon Martin isn't really new. And now they are moving onto blaming the women for Zimmerman's recent domestic disputes run-ins with the law, totally ignoring Zimmerman's actions, and his responsibility, for these episodes. Hawkeye's just said the "victim" is Zimmerman and BillRM said these women want to "knife him in the back" and the police should never take a woman at her word to charge the man--he wants to see women, whether they claim rape or domestic abuse, sufficiently bloody and battered, or even dead, to prove their credibility, because he doesn't trust any of them. On the other hand, he's unquestioningly willing to take the word of a man, whose injuries didn't even require a Band-Aid, that he was so viciously beaten and pounded, that he had to kill an unarmed teenager, even though the teen's hands had no trace of Zimmerman's DNA or blood on them.

And both of them have been saying negative things about blacks, and women, long before Trayvon Martin, and the women in Zimmerman's life came along.

The others, in this thread, are simply part of the gun-nut crowd, with a few racists thrown in, and their comments, in other threads, are similar to what we've heard here.

So I agree with you that this thread is bizarre, but none of it surprises me.

They're all pushing their usual agendas, Zimmerman's just giving them an excuse to do that.

What I find bizarre is the continuing re-hashing of a criminal case that ended in mid-July. There is no new evidence, it's the same old stuff repeated endlessly. And none of them shows the slightest familiarity with the state's case against Zimmerman, which was fairly strong, particularly for manslaughter, and which made the verdict so controversial.

I don't think most of them even watched the trial. They don't even want to accept that the chief police investigator didn't believe Zimmerman's account, and he wanted him charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, because that conflicts with their fantasy view that this was a "political prosecution" or a "malicious prosecution". They can't accept that Zimmerman's credibility was suspect from the outset, long before all the demonstrations came about.

They're locked into their own versions of reality, and they're not interested in trying to understand things with any objectivity, or from different perspectives, promoting an agenda is their main priority. It's interesting only to see how long they can keep this up.