The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

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(CNN) -- Florida prosecutors will not charge George Zimmerman after a domestic dispute with his girlfriend last month, State Attorney Phil Archer said Wednesday.
The decision not to pursue the case comes days after Zimmerman's girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, said in a court document that she didn't want him to be charged.
"Upon reviewing the recent affidavit of the Ms. Scheibe and taking into account the conflicting statements about what occurred, the failure to cooperate with the ongoing investigation, and a lack of any other corroborating evidence or witnesses, there is no reasonable likelihood of successful prosecution," Archer said in a written statement.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/11/justice/george-zimmerman-no-charges/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

this is getting to be routine...the state goes after Zimmerman, Zimmerman wins.

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@Rockhead,

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working security is about a lot more than carrying a gun and profiling unarmed teenagers.

Is that not amazing as from the 911 tape when Zimmerman was ask repeat ask by the 911 operator what race Trayvon happen to be he was not even sure.

Some racial profiling when Zimmerman was not sure of the race of the person he was suppose to be profiling.

But facts do not matter as damn it like the news media that edit the 911 tape or found the word coon that was not there we are going to make the facts fit somehow.

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@ossobuco,

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That 'neighborhood being plagued with crime' has read to me bizarrely, as I have lived in actual neighborhoods plagued with crime.

I wasn't talking about 'neighborhood being plagued with crime' --I was talking about violence--gun violence--that plagues the streets of inner cities, in places like Chicago.

This is what I said...

But Trayvon Martin was not killed on the mean streets, which is what makes his death even more tragic. He wasn't a ghetto kid killed as a result of the violence that plagues those inner cities. He was a middle class kid, killed in a predominantly white, middle class, private gated community--the kind of place where a kid, even a black kid, should be safe from gun violence.

So, I don't get your point, osso.

I've worked in areas that are plagued by gun violence, of the kind where people just crossing the street can get hit by stray bullets, or get hit by stray bullets that zoom into their apartments. I never felt safe walking from my car to my office, or going across the street to pick up a sandwich, and I was greatly relieved when my office building opened a small parking, lot right next to the building entrance, so I'd be outside even less time.

And the people who live in those areas do want tighter gun control, and better background checks, to curb gun purchases by shadow buyers, because they don't want to live like that either.

But the private gated middle class community in which Trayvon Martin was killed wasn't that kind of place--that wasn't a place plagued by gun violence, it was the kind of place where a teenage kid should have been safe from that sort of thing.

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

how does one differentiate betwixt "casing" and admiring, dave?

from a distance in the rain...

That IS humorous, Rocky!
He was ADMIRING the houses!

Thank u. I got a good laff out of that.
It took me a while to stop laffing.

U r not all bad.

David

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@firefly,

Here's a very good link on "justice was not done."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/nation/july-dec13/zimmerman2_07-15.html

This sentence from the link says more than this one crime.

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Like, no amount of white crime would allow us to simply make a blanket prima facie assumption that a white person is a criminal.

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@hawkeye10,

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his is getting to be routine...the state goes after Zimmerman, Zimmerman wins

He should never had been charge just on her word with "a lack of any other corroborating evidence or witnesses".

We are in a sad state when any man can be arrested and thrown into jail on just the word of any woman with no other proof needed.\

Men need to be very very careful in picking women they can trust completely due to the legal system making it so damn easy for any woman to screw any man on her word alone.

That go even more so for Zimmerman with so many people out to find some reason to get him.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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That is false. He was casing the naborhood;
that 's Y Zimmy called the police on him. That 's on the 911 tape.

Really? You think that's on the 911 tape--that Zimmerman said he was casing the neighborhood?

I really suggest you look up that 911 call, and post the quote where "Zimmy" said he was "casing the naborhood".

Looking around at buildings, as you're meandering home and talking on a cell phone, is by no stretch, "casing the naborhood". My own neighbors do that all the time while they're out walking their dogs.

The "suspiciousness" and anger was all in Zimmerman's mind--Martin's behavior wasn't inappropriate in any way--what made Zimmerman focus on him, and misinterpret his innocuous behaviors, and stalk him, was the fact he was black.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Like, no amount of white crime would allow us to simply make a blanket prima facie assumption that a white person is a criminal.

Strange as in the case of Zimmerman he was first not "white" in any normal meaning of that term and second he was not even sure of the race of Trayvon at first.

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@hawkeye10,

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this is getting to be routine...the state goes after Zimmerman, Zimmerman wins

He's getting to be like John Gotti--the mobster boss--remember, they called him the Teflon Don?

Eventually, they got Gotti...he died in prison.

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@BillRM,

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Strange as in the case of Zimmerman he was first not "white" in any normal meaning of that term ...

Funny, he looked white to Trayvon Martin, and the police that night also identified him as being white.

I think you need to get your eyesight checked. And stop relying on your Nazi/Ayran standards of racial purity.

Most people don't do DNA checks-they go by appearance--Zimmerman looks white. And you have no idea how he self-identifies in terms of race. He might be quite offended that you don't consider him white, simply because of one great-grandparent or one grandparent, in his background.

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@firefly,

David does it again! He has talked to Zimmerman to get the straight dope on what Trayvon was doing - even though that's nowhere on the record - any place.

David's creative mind continues to play tricks on 'himself.' He'd be laughed out of court with his kind of skills. Mr. Green

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@cicerone imposter,

Also, I'm sure David follows all black kids walking home from the store to make sure they're not going to commit any crime. If they walk funny, he's there to kill them. After all, that's all Trayvon was doing.

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@cicerone imposter,

Oh, BTW, David is not racial bigot, so he follows young white kids too!

BANG!

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@cicerone imposter,

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Also, I'm sure David follows all black kids walking home from the store to make sure they're not going to commit any crime. If they walk funny, he's there to kill them. After all, that's all Trayvon was doing.

He was to Zimmerman an unknown teenager walking in a slow and strange manner in the rain, looking at the homes as if he might be scoping them out.

Oh, in a neighborhood that had an number of break ins of late by teenagers.

There was nothing wrong or strange or racial about thinking that the cops should check him out as that would be common sense.

Zimmerman did nothing wrong legally or morally or in any other way and was attacked by Trayvon in such a manner that he have reasonable fear for his life.

The jury hear all this and found that his action was justifiable homicide the end of subject.

No matter how you pound on it Trayvon is the only one that did anything illegal that night in attacking Zimmerman and is totally at fault for his own death.

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@firefly,

My last effort to reply
to this was detonated prematurely,
resulting in an incomplete post;
hopefully this will be a better n more successful effort.

DAVID wrote:

I can t help but wonder how Frank, Firefly and C. I. wud be posting,
if the roles in this scenario were reversed such that an innocent black
security guard was following a white suspected burglar...

firefly wrote:

Your analogy is not appropriate.

Zimmerman was not a security guard,

OK, so your objection
is that Zimmy was working without remuneration,
volunteering his labor. I will AMEND my reverse analogy, nunc pro tunc,
such that an innocent black nabor is concerned regarding burglaries
committed by whites in that naborhood.

firefly wrote:

nor was he law enforcement,

IF Zimmy had been on the police payroll,
then what wud say about the same situation?? (the head banging etc.)

firefly wrote:

and Martin hadn't committed a burglary, nor had he engaged in any behaviors
that indicated he was about to commit one, or to commit any kind of crime.

That is false. He was casing the naborhood;
that 's Y Zimmy called the police on him. That 's on the 911 tape.

firefly wrote:

If there is nothing wrong with following someone, the way Zimmerman did,
then why do you think the neighborhood watch rules prohibit it?

Unlike Rocky, I do not fake having telepathic powers.
Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe some of Zimmy 's underlings
wrote that somewhere. I have no way of knowing whether Zimmy
approved of those rules or knew of them, but it does not matter,
in that he was legally entitled to follow people on the street
and legally within his rights to be defensively armed at all times.
( Its as if the club rules required everyone to vote for the Democrats,
in default whereof: what is the worst possible penalty, Firefly??? )

If he violated those rules, then the worst that cud happen to him
is that his fellow members might (in theory) ostracize him, banish him
and throw him out of his own club, but he 'd still keep the right to walk
in his naborhood and to be alert to his surroundings in so doing
and to call the police whenever he felt like it
and to follow whoever he felt like, in public.

If I ever meet Zimmy, then I can ask him about
how those rules were enacted. Maybe I can convince him
to post in this forum. Remember, that HAPPENED once??
A lady of whose story we argued, posted in her own defense??

firefly wrote:

And Zimmerman was the one who started that neighborhood watch,
with those rules. Why did he violate his own rules?

I dunno; it seems odd that he did not change the rules,
if he were the Founder and the boss; maybe just inattention.

firefly wrote:

He had witnessed no crime,
and there was no crime in progress as he stalked Martin.

Does casing the houses count
qua part of the future burglary??

firefly wrote:

Trayvon was profiled and stalked because he was black.

Well, yea; the burglaries in question
were seen to be perpetrated by blacks,
so thay were not going to be looking for Chinamen or Vikings.

firefly wrote:

Zimmerman's defense didn't even deny that, they just tried to rationalize it.
You really can't pretend that race was not a factor in why Trayvon
Martin got targeted by George Zimmerman.

Yea, that and the fact that he was seen to be casing
the naborhood when Zimmy was looking for burglars.

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And, since you want to shake the hand of a vigilante,

Yes; Homeland Security tells us to be vigilant.

firefly wrote:

who caused the needless and avoidable death

Yes, WELL SAID, Firefly. All martin
had to do was be civil, or at least non-violent.
He chose to do otherwise, for no reason,
and he paid the cost of that decision.
Maybe other street thugs will learn a lesson
from that, tho I doubt it.

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of a child he had racially profiled,
because he couldn't control his own anger

There was NO EVIDENCE of any anger from Zimmy,
tho I surmise that he might have been a little annoyed
when martin was beating his head on the street.

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long enough to just remain in his truck until the police arrived,

By WHAT reasoning shud he have done that, Firefly??
I have gotten out of MY cars many times, over the years,
decades and centuries. He had a perfect right to use the streets.
Do u always remain in your car??? I don't think he lives in his car.

firefly wrote:

you make me puke too.

U mean that I have been ELEVATED up to Bill 's position?????

Be diligent in the execution of your sanitary maintenance.
Better change your clothes. Wash out your mouth
so your teeth will not rot from the acid.

U will have to clean that up.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

You,

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IF Zimmy had been on the police payroll,

That "if" is a senseless, unwarranted, assumption that only idiots like you dream up!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
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IF Zimmy had been on the police payroll,

That "if" is a senseless, unwarranted, assumption that only idiots like you dream up!

Its not an "assumption", u FOOL!

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@OmSigDAVID,

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firefly wrote:
Trayvon was profiled and stalked because he was black.
Well, yea; the burglaries in question
were seen to be perpetrated by blacks,
so thay were not going to be looking for Chinamen or Vikings.

Not to mention the little detail that when he was ask the race of Tayvon by the 911 operator his reply was that he was not sure but he might be black!!!!!!!!!

But that fact does not fit in with Firefly and the other race baiter theory so we will pretend it was not on the tape.

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firefly wrote:
And Zimmerman was the one who started that neighborhood watch,
with those rules. Why did he violate his own rules?
I dunno; it seems odd that he did not change the rules,
if he were the Founder and the boss; maybe just inattention.

Next I question if the no armed rule was in effect as when the current police chief try to get such a rule into place for the crime watch program that his department sponsor, he needed to back track and current crime watch people can by the rules of that crime watch carry weapons/firearms.

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@BillRM,

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No matter how you pound on it Trayvon is the only one that did anything illegal that night in attacking Zimmerman and is totally at fault for his own death.

The jury definitely did not conclude that Martin did anything illegal, or that he attacked Zimmerman.

And the police did not reach that conclusion either.

You really have forgotten that it was Zimmerman who was the one on trial. Trayvon Martin was the victim of a homicide committed by Zimmerman.

The jury simply found Zimmerman not guilty of second degree murder. They gave him the benefit of the doubt that he was acting in self defense.

No one knows to a certainly whether Martin reacted in understandable self-defense, because he was frightened by a creepy stranger, who stalked him, and never identified himself, and who might have made a provocative movement, like grabbing the teen's arm, or reaching for his gun, when he confronted Martin. That the teen, who, unlike Zimmerman, was not an aggressive person, or one with anger management problems, would suddenly take an unprovoked single punch at Zimmerman, out of anger over being followed, is possible, but seems rather implausible. And an "attack" usually goes beyond a single punch to the nose, and there really was no physical evidence to support an alleged "beating" or "head pounding", and what witnesses saw was ambiguous, and could have been a struggle over the gun and not a "fight".

But, you've been consistently unable to accept that what you think you know is not incontrovertible fact, and you're way too rigid and close-minded to ever rethink anything. Go right on thinking whatever you want to think. Who cares?

And if you can't agree with the police that George Zimmerman caused a totally needless and avoidable death by failing to remain in his vehicle, and by following Martin, and you can't see anything wrong with his judgment that night, I hope you never exercise similar poor judgment and cause a needless and avoidable death, because my wish for you, if you do that, would be that you will be socked with legal bills at least as high as his, and that your jury doesn't acquit you.

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@cicerone imposter,

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That "if" is a senseless, unwarranted, assumption that only idiots like you dream up!

Like you dream up the idea that a mixed race person was a racist and even keep the bullshit up even after having the FBI agents after crawling into his past and not being able to find any indication that he had a racial bone in his mixed race body.

Or that he profile Trayvon not due to his strange actions but due to his skin color when by the 911 tape when he was ask the race of Trayvon he stated he was not sure but he might be black.

You are the one creating fairy tales that have no relationship to the real world.

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