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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:07 pm
Just hear on the TV news playing in the background that all charges had been drop against Zimmerman.

Now let see if he is so unwise as to get back together with this nut of a girlfriend or not.
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firefly
 
  0  
Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:09 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

It not whites racists or white gangs that making the center cities a hell hole for raising black children with special note of Chicago.

People like you, who oppose the tighter gun control legislation and background checks that would prevent shadow buyers from purchasing guns that wind up on the streets of Chicago, help to contribute to all those homicides on Chicago's streets.

That's what makes you complicit in all those gun-related deaths in our inner cities, "Whitey", you're enabling all that violence. The black community wants tighter gun controls to help stop the streets of their communities being flooded with guns that people, like you, help to facilitate being bought and brought in.

So yes, white racism does contribute to the problem--as long as "those people" are killing themselves, the problem really doesn't bother you, and you have no interest in trying to curb it with sensible gun control measures.

But Trayvon Martin was not killed on the mean streets, which is what makes his death even more tragic. He wasn't a ghetto kid killed as a result of the violence that plagues those inner cities. He was a middle class kid, killed in a predominantly white, middle class, private gated community--the kind of place where a kid, even a black kid, should be safe from gun violence.

And all Martin was doing was walking back from a trip to the store, yakking on his cell phone and minding his own business. But he still wasn't safe from the suspiciousness, and anger, that the color of his skin set off in the mind of George Zimmerman, and apparently, in the minds of people like you as well. And that suspiciousness and anger is what caused his needless and avoidable death. And, what's worse, you're patting George Zimmerman on the back for that, and for the racial profiling that led to a needless and avoidable death. Why not just blame Trayvon for being black? And, certainly, by wearing a hoodie in the rain, he definitely was "asking for it" wasn't he?

And you blame his parents as well, two decent loving parents who were obviously guiding Martin toward the right path, toward college, just like his older brother, because they wanted him to have a successful life and future, and they wanted him to have a belief in his self-worth and his abilities. And, the tragedy for them, was that, despite their best efforts, their child became the victim of gun violence anyway, because an angry wannabe cop/vigilante took one look at their child's skin color and began stalking him in the one place he really should have been safe.

And you're such a racist, you can't even feel any compassion or empathy for these parents, and you trash them as well, for an act of violence that really began as soon as George Zimmerman spotted their son, because he wasn't going to let this "f--ing punk" get away.

You make me puke.


OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:16 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Re: BillRM (Post 5517464)
"Con men understand that their job is not to use facts to convince sceptics
but to use words to help the gullible to believe what they want to believe."

~ Thomas Sowell

BillRM wrote:
That seem to be you, as you wish to believe with all your heart that
a mixed race Latin man acted out of some racist hate in killing a black
teenager so you are willing to pound the facts with a sledge hammer
in order to try to get the facts to match the picture.

Sorry but the fact does not fit such a story. It however does fit a young
troubled black man who got piss off for being follow turning
and attacking the other gentleman to the point that he needed
to sadly used deadly force to save his own life.
I can t help but wonder how Frank, Firefly and C. I. wud be posting,
if the roles in this scenario were reversed such that an innocent black
security guard was following a white suspected burglar
who un-expectedly attacked the black and pounded his head
on the street until the black shot him.

Wud Frank, Firefly and C. I.
be hollering for the conviction of the black ??
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:26 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
You make me puke.
Puking is off-topic.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Wud Frank, Firefly and C. I.
be hollering for the conviction of the black ??


No way on this earth as they wish to see the world in terms of evil white males with special note of evil armed white males and innocent black men being hunted by these evil white men.
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firefly
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I can t help but wonder how Frank, Firefly and C. I. wud be posting,
if the roles in this scenario were reversed such that an innocent black
security guard was following a white suspected burglar...

Your analogy is not appropriate.

Zimmerman was not a security guard, nor was he law enforcement, and Martin hadn't committed a burglary, nor had he engaged in any behaviors that indicated he was about to commit one, or to commit any kind of crime.

If there is nothing wrong with following someone, the way Zimmerman did, then why do you think the neighborhood watch rules prohibit it? And Zimmerman was the one who started that neighborhood watch, with those rules. Why did he violate his own rules? He had witnessed no crime, and there was no crime in progress as he stalked Martin.

Trayvon was profiled and stalked because he was black. Zimmerman's defense didn't even deny that, they just tried to rationalize it. You really can't pretend that race was not a factor in why Trayvon Martin got targeted by George Zimmerman.

And, since you want to shake the hand of a vigilante, who caused the needless and avoidable death of a child he had racially profiled, because he couldn't control his own anger long enough to just remain in his truck until the police arrived, you make me puke too.

Rockhead
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:39 pm
@firefly,
dave is deathly afraid of MMA.

and "blacks"...

add the notion of the two together, and his paranoia cannot overcome the image.

no legitimate security firm would touch Zimmerman...
firefly
 
  0  
Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:45 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
no legitimate security firm would touch Zimmerman..

Zimmerman had worked as a part-time security person, for parties, and he was fired for being "too aggressive."

He had also submitted an application to a police force, but was turned down as an unsuitable applicant.

So, you're right, Rocky.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You,
Quote:
if the roles in this scenario were reversed ...


The roles can never be reversed, you idiot! Zimmerman shot Trayvon dead by following an innocent teenager who had done nothing wrong. You're too dumb to be an attorney.

You actual life and death situations, you just don't "reverse the roles." Just proves how dumb you are!
BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:47 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
dave is deathly afraid of MMA.

and "blacks"...

add the notion of the two together, and his paranoia cannot overcome the image.


Sadly the ones who need to be in the most fear are non-criminal black youth growing up in areas that are black gangs control such as a large part of Chicago.

At the very least we need to shut off the billions of cash flow that the so call war on drugs are providing them.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:49 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
dave is deathly afraid of MMA.

and "blacks"...

add the notion of the two together, and his paranoia cannot overcome the image.
In Rocky 's delusions, he can read my mind.


Rockhead wrote:
no legitimate security firm would touch Zimmerman...
Rocky KNOWS this because he has CALLED them all and asked.

BillRM
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,

Quote:
The roles can never be reversed, you idiot! Zimmerman shot Trayvon dead by following an innocent teenager who had done nothing wrong. You're too dumb to be an attorney.


So a black home owner/renter could never get concern enough that a white teenager might be casing his neighborhood enough to call the police and then follow him?

An that white teenager could not get piss off enough to turn and attack the black crime watch gentleman to the point he would be force to fired his gun in self defense?

Lord talk about seeing the world in racial terms you guys are winners in that area.
ossobuco
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:55 pm
@firefly,
That 'neighborhood being plagued with crime' has read to me bizarrely, as I have lived in actual neighborhoods plagued with crime.

firefly
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:55 pm
@BillRM,
http://theoutloudblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/head-up-ass.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:57 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You,
Quote:
Rocky KNOWS this because he has CALLED them all and asked.


Funny how you and others can dream up what happened at the crime scene that's not even reported by the police or media, but you have the audacity to question others about who they called to find out the facts.

TNCFS
BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
an innocent teenager who had done nothing wrong.


Footnote: Since when it trying to beat a man to death for follow someone legal and the person who done such a deed innocent?
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Rockhead
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 04:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I have no need to read your mind, dave, I read your posts.

working security is about a lot more than carrying a gun and profiling unarmed teenagers.

it requires a level of judgment that Zimmerman has shown himself to be sorely lacking...
BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 11 Dec, 2013 05:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
you and others can dream up what happened at the crime scene


Oh you mean the wounds on Zimmerman and the lack of wounds on Trayvon other then the one bullet hole that match his account?

Or the police lied detector test he willingly took for that matter?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2013 05:07 pm
@firefly,
DAVID wrote:
I can t help but wonder how Frank, Firefly and C. I. wud be posting,
if the roles in this scenario were reversed such that an innocent black
security guard was following a white suspected burglar...
firefly wrote:

Your analogy is not appropriate.

Zimmerman was not a security guard,
OK, so your objection
is that Zimmy was working without remuneration,
volunteering his labor. I will AMEND my reverse analogy, accordingly,
such that an innocent black nabor is concerned regarding burglaries
committed by blacks in that naborhood.




firefly wrote:
nor was he law enforcement,
IF Zimmy had been on the police payroll,
then what wud say about the same situation?? (the head banging etc.)




firefly wrote:
and Martin hadn't committed a burglary, nor had he engaged in any behaviors that indicated he was about to commit one, or to commit any kind of crime.
That is false. He was casing the naborhood;
that 's Y Zimmy called the police on him. That 's on the 911 tape.




firefly wrote:

If there is nothing wrong with following someone, the way Zimmerman did, then why do you think the neighborhood watch rules prohibit it? And Zimmerman was the one who started that neighborhood watch, with those rules. Why did he violate his own rules? He had witnessed no crime, and there was no crime in progress as he stalked Martin.

Trayvon was profiled and stalked because he was black. Zimmerman's defense didn't even deny that, they just tried to rationalize it. You really can't pretend that race was not a factor in why Trayvon Martin got targeted by George Zimmerman.

And, since you want to shake the hand of a vigilante, who caused the needless and avoidable death of a child he had racially profiled, because he couldn't control his own anger long enough to just remain in his truck until the police arrived, you make me puke too.


Rockhead
 
  1  
Wed 11 Dec, 2013 05:09 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
how does one differentiate betwixt "casing" and admiring, dave?

from a distance in the rain...
 

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