The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Your ability to remember all the details of this case is nothing but amazing;
to show that "this woman" is conflicted in her own actions speak a lot more
than Bill, hawk, David, or oralboy will ever be able to explain.

They still support this monster called Zimmerman. Can you beat that? They're all confused.

It IS true that I still support Zimmy,
but what I actually have in mind, OF MORE IMPORTANCE
was Zimmy's right to defensively kill martin, under the circumstances then and there prevailing when he did it.

David

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@firefly,

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I really don't think the girlfriend lied to the police. I think she may be lying now,

exactly my point, in the cold light of day she is opening herself up to criminal liability according to you. not bloody likely, unless there is worse liability for her to worry about, stuff that team zimmerman knows that she does not want the state to know. As Dr Phil says people almost always do what is in their best interests, rational interests or irrational, it is not likely that what she is doing now is all about what is best for George. your proposal is a super big stretch.

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George Zimmerman's girlfriend recants allegations he threatened her with gun

Oh Oh.

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"I believe that the police misinterpreted me and that I may have misspoken about certain facts in my statement to the police. I do not feel that the arrest report accurately recounts what happened," she said.

She

must be a dirty racist rat like George.

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@hawkeye10,

You don't understand women.

It's unlikely the police will charge her with anything. She's not saying she intentionally lied in her police statement--if she said that, they might charge her. She's saying she was misunderstood, felt intimidated, etc. She won't get charged.

It's in her best interest to do what she feels she can live with. She's not mad because he was leaving--she wanted him to leave--who knows what that fight was really about, or why he exploded, and I do think he exploded, broke the table, pointed the gun, etc. I really do think she'd rather get him help than see him wind up in jail, or even go through another legal ordeal. And boy, if I can sense that, Zimmerman's lawyer could too--and she knew how to use it to her client's advantage. I think Zimmerman's lawyer got through to her--saying things like, he was suicidal before, and this will finish him off--it's better to get him into treatment than put him through this, etc.

You really don't understand women.

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@firefly,

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It's unlikely the police will charge her with anything. She's not saying she intentionally lied in her police statement--if she said that, they might charge her. She's saying she was misunderstood, felt intimidated, etc. She won't get charged.

well yes, there is a general policy of not charging gals who lie about guys being abusers (so long as the original story is that the guy is an abuser natch) under the theory that such a practice would get in the way of drumming up charges against guys , but unless the police are completely incompetent there are tapes of the interview to sort this out.

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@hawkeye10,

No, it has nothing to do with gender.

Filing a false police report has to be a willful and intentional act to misrepresent the truth.

Scheibe isn't admitting to that--that's why it's unlikely they would charge her.

They have the tape of her 911 call--that's when she mentioned the gun, before the police ever came. So they obviously didn't misrepresent what she said or intimidate her into saying it.

I also think she told the police the truth and that she's lying now. But they can't prove that either.

This is all about Zimmerman's lawyer trying to get the charges dropped--that's why she filed Scheibe's affidavit, along with George Zimmerman's request that the no-contact bail stipulation be rescinded.

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@cicerone imposter,

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If you have the same aggressive, brainless, uncontrollable attacks on other people, than what you own is an arsenal.

LOL an this time I do mean LOL if you think that five guns can be consider an arsenal or a hundred rounds for that matter.

Lord I am thinking of a friend of mine with not one but two large gun racks full of very high power rifles with scopes or one man I knew that went to all the trouble/paperwork to legally buy a thrompson sub-machine gun.

I just can see the headlines if either one of them have a problem with their wives and the police give a reports on their firearm collection.

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@OmSigDAVID,

You rely on the trial too much to determine his guilt or innocence. The prosecution did a very poor job, and the defense attorney lied.

Your judgement about trials are so poor, it makes one wonder how you ever survived as an attorney.

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@cicerone imposter,

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The prosecution did a very poor job, and the defense attorney lied.

First the prosecutor did not have a case as legal experts stated before the trial began and second I would love to hear how the defense attorney lied.

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@BillRM,

You,

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First the prosecutor did not have a case as legal experts stated before the trial began ...

Which legal experts are you referring to? Provide some credible source for you opinion?

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@cicerone imposter,

Which one of these did you read?

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Daily Kos: So did the Zimmerman Prosecutors Throw The Case or ...
www.dailykos.com/.../-So-did-the-Zimmerman-Prosecutors-Throw-The-...‎
Aug 8, 2013 - So did the Zimmerman Prosecutors Throw The Case or Just Blow It? ... asserted she was "Standing Her Ground" against a person who had ...
Did the Prosecutor Screw Up in the Zimmerman Case? | Alternet
www.alternet.org/.../listening-lead-prosecutors-final-argument-against-zi...‎
Jul 23, 2013 - Having shot Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman did nothing to try to save the ... But it's late in the trial and the prosecution has done little to bring ..
Lawsuit Brought Against Zimmerman Prosecutors - Huffington Post
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../zimmerman-prosecutors-lawsuit_n_360747...‎
Jul 16, 2013 - Zimmerman's defense has also called for sanctions against her and her prosecution ... He said the suit will be filed within the next 30 days

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@cicerone imposter,

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Which legal experts are you referring to? Provide some credible source for you opinion?

LOL sorry I am not doing a large google search for information that anyone that had paid attention at the time would had read about or seen TV interviews on the court TV channel.

You are a clown but not a funny one.

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@BillRM,

Of coarse you won't; it's impossible to find something when you dream it up in your own dead brain.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Of coarse you won't; it's impossible to find something when you dream it up in your own dead brain.

Unless you was sleeping to the run up to the Zimmerman trial you know as well as I do asshole that experts question the prosecution case or lack of one.

An of course they was proven correct as he was found innocent of all charges.

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Anyone would care to lay any bets if Zimmerman will go to Texas by himself leaving the non-pregnancy GF who knife him in the back nice and safe in Florida or not?

He just going to need to exercise better judgment on the women in his life but to be fair the break up of his marriage could had been predicted when half of all marriages end in divorce without all the pressure this marriage was under.

That however leave the nut case he got himself involved with afterward.

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the question is, bill, who the nutcase is. And the constant through the years has been that it's George Zimmerman.

This pattern is not at all unusual in domestic abuse cases. If you look at their history, it's almost always the guy that runs amok and threatens the woman, who files charges or calls the cops. After awhile, remorse sets in, she thinks maybe the guy will change for her if she loves him strongly enough, so she withdraws the charges or drops the suit. Soon ehough, his temper gets the better of him, and the cycle starts again. And after a couple times, he ends up killing her in one of the repeated bursts of anger. Read the histories of domestic abuse you see weekly in the papers. That's how it all too often goes. Samantha Scheibe is really playing with fire by "recanting" here. And George is the gunpowder keg with the short fuse.

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@MontereyJack,

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who files charges or calls the cops. After awhile, remorse sets in

the same patterns hold for women who falsely accuse men, assuming that the woman is not too far gone.

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@MontereyJack,

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This pattern is not at all unusual in domestic abuse cases. If you look at their history, it's almost always the guy that runs amok and threatens the woman,

Right as he was packing to leave her against her wishes he ran amok for what reason would that be?

No cycle of abuse possible when the man is leaving for a state a few thousands miles away.

Sorry the only one who had any reason to run amok would be her not him as it was him not her that was ending the relationship and leaving.

Hopefully he will stray true to his intentions to move on as she is a nut case from what we already know.

PS as far as it is almost alway the man that is bullshit from the studies I had seen violence is roughly 50/50 in relationships men just do not report it as often.

Let see from my male friends I had one friend who woke up to find his wife about to put a knife into him and another who got her grown children from another marriage to attacked him with baseball bats.

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@BillRM,

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Right as he was packing to leave her against her wishes...

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Sorry the only one who had any reason to run amok would be her not him as it was him not her that was ending the relationship and leaving.

Do you ever bother dealing with reality?

Did you hear what Zimmerman said in his 911 call?

He made it clear that she wanted him to leave. She was the one ending it. And that's directly from Zimmerman.

So why are you already weaving an absolutely false narrative about what happened?

We don't know what the hell the fight was about. It may have had nothing to do with his leaving. Maybe she said he should get psychiatric care and he blew up again--he blew up before at her about that and she told the reporter he kicked her out of her own house before over that.

We know Zimmerman has anger problems, and he was the one who provoked and instigated the episode with his estranged wife and father-in-law in September because he went charging over to the house and started it.

So, nonsense about statistics really don't apply in this case.

You want to see this woman in a negative light, just as you insist on seeing Trayvon Martin in a negative light, and just as you view most women in a negative light. But you know nothing about this woman who you've already decided is a "nut case". And, she's not the only one who Zimmerman has been threatening with guns lately, or blowing up at, or is concerned about the way he's been acting for the past few months.

You simply have no regard for the truth. You don't even want to believe Zimmerman. He said she was ending it--she wanted him to leave.

And the only thing she's recanting about now is his pointing the gun at her--she's not changing anything else.

And I suspect she's doing that because of the influence of Zimmerman's lawyer, in an attempt to get her to drop the charges. And I do think Scheibe, who spent three weeks telling a reporter why Zimmerman needed psychiatric help, would change her story so those charges could be dropped, if Zimmerman's lawyer assured her that he had now agreed to get that help. Scheibe has no reason to want to see him in prison, she's been saying she wanted him to get help for weeks. So, even if he had pointed the gun at her, she'd change her story now, if she thought he'd actually get that help.

So, stop weaving your fantasies and promoting your lies. Zimmerman himself said she was the one who wanted him to leave--leaving was not his idea. That doesn't mean she hated him, or wanted nothing more to do with him, she just couldn't live with him any more because of the way he had been acting--among other things she's said he made a suicide attempt in her house by taking an OD of pills, and he's tried to choke her--and his refusal to get help.

And Zimmerman, for his own well-being has to get out of Florida and go elsewhere and try to start a new life for himself, hopefully a low profile life, without any more run-ins with the police.

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@firefly,

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He made it clear that she wanted him to leave. She was the one ending it

that is very murky...some reports have it that George announced the end, she told him she was preg to keep him, then when he said he was going to Texas anyways she said that he was going to be cut out as the father.

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So why are you already weaving an absolutely false narrative about what happened?

we dont know that it is false, what we know is that this is what some journalists say that George's friends are saying.

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