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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
firefly
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 02:57 am
@hawkeye10,
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LOL, as if you are capable of not trashing a man named George Zimmerman!

By now, Zimmerman has a well documented history regarding his aggressive behaviors, going back at least 8 years. Lately he has been threatening people by intimating he might use a gun, and he did assault his father-in-law.
We also know he is not above brazen lying and concocting schemes to conceal his actions--that's what he did by trying to conceal his assets from the judge presiding over his bail hearings in his murder case.

To point out the known facts about Zimmerman is not trashing him, it's part of his behavioral pattern that shouldn't be ignored when appraising his credibility.

There is no legitimate reason to trash the woman who is his current accuser, both because you know little to nothing about her, and because what she told the police is not beyond the realm of possibility. He did have a shotgun, and they did find her locked out of the house with Zimmerman barricaded inside it, something that also gave him time to alter the crime scene.

And, what Zimmerman said, in his calm, matter-of-fact, 911 "my side of the story" call, in no way explained why he was barricaded inside the house--he expressed no fear of her, and he wasn't opening the door for the police either.

So why was he rather bizarrely barricaded in her house, making a "media statement" 911 call? And the story he concocted, that she wanted him to leave, he agreed to leave, but when he took her at her word and started packing, she "went crazy" and began throwing his stuff around, and breaking her own furniture, just doesn't sound plausible. And he threw her out of the house after she made her 911 call to the police, and her allegation is that he pointed the shotgun at to keep her from making that call, which she obviously made anyway.

Why he would throw her out after she made her 911 call doesn't make sense, particularly because he told the dispatcher during his call that he was trying to avoid causing this allegedly pregnant women stress. Why the hell didn't he get out of the house, rather than throwing her out--it was her house. He could have gone outside, gotten into his truck, and just waited for the police to arrive. Except he might have barricaded himself inside so he had time to alter the scene before the police got there...

Right now I have no reason to suspect that her allegations are untrue--they sound plausible. On the other hand, what he said in his 911 call, doesn't sound plausible to me, it's inconsistent, and it seems manufactured to discredit her because it doesn't explain his behavior--like why he's sitting barricaded in the house, with the police pounding on the door, as he's making that 911 call.

We really have to wait for this one to enfold in court, and listen to her testimony, or statement to the police, in its entirety, and listen to what the defense presents, or listen to Zimmerman directly if he testifies.

But there is absolutely no reason to start concocting stories about this woman, or to start trashing her.

Zimmerman just hired a new lawyer, let her come up with a defense for him.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 03:23 am
@firefly,
what we have here is a "he said she said" between two people both with no known criminal history and with no known witnesses to this event. I think I will wait a spell before I decide that I know what happened.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 03:35 am
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BillRM said: Facts does no matter they are living in a fantasy land.

Yes, nigger-lovers the lot of 'em..Smile
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:06 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: You do not know that Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman...and it may very well have been the other way around.

Haha, so who do you think was sitting astride Zimmy punching him in the face and slamming his head into the ground, Mary Poppins?..Smile
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/zim4_zps79d9b712.jpg~original
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/zim2_zps90476b28.jpg~original


Is it not possible that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon Martin...and then got punch a bit in return.

Zimmerman was doing the stalking...so why are you so certain he did not initiate the physical confrontation?

And if he did, was Martin simply supposed to get pushed around without retaliations?
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:07 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Your imagination is only exceeded by your stupidity. Zimmerman's injuries were MINOR. No TRAUMA, no other medical treatment was needed or requested by Zimmerman.
the problem with your argument is that Martins injuries were non existent outside of the slug.


A push can be a physical confrontation. The fact that Martin had no injuries OTHER THAN THE SINGLE SHOT THAT KILLED HIM...is not a factor.
BillRM
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:08 am
@hawkeye10,
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Firefly (Post 5514036)
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So, let's hold off on trying to trash his latest accuser

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LOL, as if you are capable of not trashing a man named George Zimmerman!


I was rolling on the floor when I read this posting of your in reply to our girl Firefly.

By the way he was the one trying to leave so there seems zero reason for him to be waving a firearm at her as it is mostly the one being left not the one leaving that get that emotionally upset.
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BillRM
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:15 am
@Frank Apisa,
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A push can be a physical confrontation.


A push does not call for a deadly attacked so it Zimmerman had not been armed and therefore killed by Trayvon. Trayvon could not had plead self defense over a damn push.

Knocking him down maybe but not getting on top of him to try to killed him afterward would be called for.

Of course if Trayvon had been allowed to killed Zimmerman we would never had hear of it as such events are sadly all to common instead of the other way around where the victim was able to killed his attacker.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:20 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
A push can be a physical confrontation.


A push does not call for a deadly attacked so it Zimmerman had not been armed and therefore killed by Trayvon. Trayvon could not had plead self defense over a damn push.

Knocking him down maybe but not getting on top of him to try to killed him afterward would be called for.

Of course if Trayvon had been allowed to killed Zimmerman we would never had hear of it as such events are sadly all to common instead of the other way around where the victim was able to killed his attacker.


"A push" is one of many different types of confrontations, Bill. Try to wake up and see that YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT LEAD TO THE PHYSICAL confrontation...but that the fact that Zimmerman was stalking Martin probably was a factor. AND WE BOTH KNOW THAT THE STALKING WAS STARTED BY ZIMMERMAN.

Wake up!
BillRM
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:24 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Zimmerman was doing the stalking...so why are you so certain he did not initiate the physical confrontation?


Still trying to imply that Zimmerman was doing something either morally wrong or illegal by using the word stalking a word that clearly does not apply under the common dictionary meaning of the term or it meaning under Florida law.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:26 am
@Frank Apisa,
There is nothing rong with stalking;
as honorable as looking up at the stars at nite.





David
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:28 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Zimmerman was doing the stalking...so why are you so certain he did not initiate the physical confrontation?


Still trying to imply that Zimmerman was doing something either morally wrong or illegal by using the word stalking a word that clearly does not apply under the common dictionary meaning of the term or it meaning under Florida law.


Yeah...it does apply to the common dictionary meaning, Bill. And I am not implying anything. I am saying exactly what I intend to say very clearly...and out-front.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

There is nothing rong with stalking;
as honorable as looking up at the stars at nite.

David


Okay.

But this particular instance of stalking ended up with a young man shot to death...just as many instances of stalking end up with someone or something dead.

And none of us know who started the physical confrontation that ended up with the death. But we do know who started the stalking.
BillRM
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:32 am
@Frank Apisa,
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as stalking Martin probably


Well I had already posted the common meaning of stalking along with the Florida legal meaning of staking on this thread and the actions of Zimmerman is not cover under either of those two meaning no matter how many times you used that term incorrectly.

Zimmerman was trying to get the police on the scene and not to deal with Trayvon himself and Trayvon is the one who did not call the police over any concerns about Zimmerman following him.

Zero indication that Zimmerman was looking for or wishing for a direct conflict with Trayvon but instead was acting like a good citizen in trying to get the police to check out a possible problem.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:40 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

There is nothing rong with stalking;
as honorable as looking up at the stars at nite.

David


Okay.

But this particular instance of stalking ended up with a young man shot to death...
I have no problem at all
in accepting Zimmy 's explanation of events.
Its not implausible. Decedent brought it on himself 1OO%.





David
BillRM
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:41 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Yeah...it does apply to the common dictionary meaning, Bill. And I am not implying anything. I am saying exactly what I intend to say very clearly...and out-front.


Wrong.........as it clearly does not cover a few minutes of following someone for the legal purpose of guiding the police to them.

Quote:


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stalking

stalk verb
: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:45 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
as stalking Martin probably


Well I had already posted the common meaning of stalking along with the Florida legal meaning of staking on this thread and the actions of Zimmerman is not cover under either of those two meaning no matter how many times you used that term incorrectly.

Zimmerman was trying to get the police on the scene and not to deal with Trayvon himself and Trayvon is the one who did not call the police over any concerns about Zimmerman following him.

Zero indication that Zimmerman was looking for or wishing for a direct conflict with Trayvon but instead was acting like a good citizen in trying to get the police to check out a possible problem.


You are delusional on both issues you raised here, Bill.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:45 am

Obviously, Sharpton and Jesse Jackson 'd not have cared,
if decedent had been a white. Wud u be equally as motivated if martin were a white, Frank ?
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:47 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

There is nothing rong with stalking;
as honorable as looking up at the stars at nite.

David


Okay.

But this particular instance of stalking ended up with a young man shot to death...
I have no problem at all
in accepting Zimmy 's explanation of events.
Its not implausible. Decedent brought it on himself 1OO%.

David


It may not be implausible...but neither are any of the other alternatives that have been offered here as possibilities.

There is no way you can reasonable suggest that Martin brought it on himself...and to suggest that it is 100% certain is an absurdity. The best thing to do is to laugh at your response. Laughing Laughing Laughing
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:49 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Yeah...it does apply to the common dictionary meaning, Bill. And I am not implying anything. I am saying exactly what I intend to say very clearly...and out-front.


Wrong.........as it clearly does not cover a few minutes of following someone for the legal purpose of guiding the police to them.

Quote:


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stalking

stalk verb
: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.



He apparently was following a person that he was hunting...and it is not a stretch to suppose he was doing it slowly and quietly.

So what the hell are you talking about????
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


Obviously, Sharpton and Jesse Jackson 'd not have cared,
if decedent had been a white. Wud u be equally as motivated if martin were a white, Frank ?


I don't know.
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