The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Trayvon unlike the picture of a innocence and smiling 13 years old that the news media try to sell was a late teen hoodlum by all the evidence available

That goes beyond being nonsense...it is a flat out lie.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, ALL HIS POSTS ARE NONSENSE. Haven't you caught on yet? LOL
He dreams up all these negatives about Trayvon in his own dead brain, then tries to sell it on a2k as if they're facts. He has no support or evidence for any of his predictive nonsense.

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Frank Apisa said: You do not know that Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman...and it may very well have been the other way around.

Haha, so who do you think was sitting astride Zimmy punching him in the face and slamming his head into the ground, Mary Poppins?.. Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/zim4_zps79d9b712.jpg~original

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/zim2_zps90476b28.jpg~original

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Your imagination is only exceeded by your stupidity. Zimmerman's injuries were MINOR. No TRAUMA, no other medical treatment was needed or requested by Zimmerman.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Your imagination is only exceeded by your stupidity. Zimmerman's injuries were MINOR. No TRAUMA, no other medical treatment was needed or requested by Zimmerman.

the problem with your argument is that Martins injuries were non existent outside of the slug.

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@hawkeye10,

Doesn't matter one bit; that Martin had no injury is far exceeded by him getting killed by Zimmerman. Zimmerman stalked Martin, and killed him.

Zimmerman had not cause to follow/stalk Martin; he was just walking home from the store.

Goes to prove that black kids aren't safe walking home from the store because of people like Zimmerman and all you idiots who thinks Zimmerman had every right to kill Martin.

If Martin happened to be your kid, you'll probably conclude he didn't injure Zimmerman enough before he was shot dead.

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@hawkeye10,

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the problem with your argument is that Martins injuries were non existent outside of the slug.

Meaning Zimmerman made no attempt to defend himself with equal force--he just shot the kid--over a single punch.

Zimmerman in the police station, right after the shooting, and after wiping the dramatic looking blood from under his nose, looking quite uninjured.

http://www.allthingscrimeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/zimmy1.jpg

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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the problem with your argument is that Martins injuries were non existent outside of the slug.

Meaning Zimmerman made no attempt to defend himself with equal force--he just shot the kid.

so you finally agree that Martin was likely the one who make the confrontation a physical one, which under our laws is a critical escalation .

good

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@hawkeye10,

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so you finally agree that Martin was likely the one who make the confrontation a physical one, which under our laws is a critical escalation .

No, I think Zimmerman started it by possibly grabbing onto him, which is a physical act, and why Martin said, "Get off of me."

I think Martin threw the only punch, in self-defense, in response to that provocation, and that there was no beating or head-pounding by Martin, and that there was no need for lethal force on Zimmerman's part.

Zimmerman had fight training in a gym for a year, he considerably outweighed the skinny kid, and even the police thought he exaggerated his injuries, so there was no reason he had to immediately use lethal force. He had a gun, he thought "his suspect" was a criminal, and he shot him, not because he had to, but because he wanted to.

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These are stills from the animation that was played to the jury, pieced together by police forensic evidence and eyewitness accounts-
1- George is walking along minding his own business, discreetly watching Martin out of the corner of his eye.
2- Martin angrily approaches George and throws a punch.
3- George reels backwards dazed.
4- Martin jumps on him and begins pounding him in the face, so George has no choice but to pull his gun and defend himself.. Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/zim-animA_zps7fb30d1d.jpg~original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZrqgLJjhDSs

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@Romeo Fabulini,

That's George's version, which should not be confused with what actually happened.

For one thing, whatever happened--which I believe was a struggle over the gun, which Zimmerman may have pulled out, or reached for, before Martin threw his single punch at him--did not take place on the concrete sidewalk, it took place on the grass. Martin's body was not found near the sidewalk.

That became an awkward thing for the defense to explain, because it didn't jive with George's narrative of a head-pounding on concrete. And neither did the lack of any significant injuries to the back of his head.

This man was not "pounded in the face" either.

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@firefly,

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Are u enjoying your Pearl Harbor Day, C. I. ?

Knock off that crap, David.

Good for you, Firefly. It takes a most insensitive small-minded individual to be so tactless, asking a Japanese-American "how are you enjoying your Pearl Harbor Day" on its anniversary. People can be so feelingless.

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This is George Zimmerman's father-in-law, after Zimmerman assaulted him in September--you can see the injury on his nose.

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images_2/David-Dean-9-12-13-1.jpg

Would he have been justified in pulling out a gun and shooting Zimmerman, because of concern about what Zimmerman might do next to him?

Actually, given that Zimmerman had already killed someone, and was making menacing gestures that he might pull out a gun, his father-in-law would have had a lot more reason to shoot Zimmerman, than Zimmerman had to shoot Martin.

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@Moment-in-Time,

feelingless? is this what passes for vocabulary at Ivy League schools now?

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Guys, guys you're forgetting one thing- the jury found George NOT GUILTY, so what makes you think you know better than them?.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Doesn't mean a thing - except for the fact that a) the prosecution did a very poor job, b) O'Mara lied about Trayvon, and c) the jury was rigged (one minority).

a:

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Zimmerman defense attorney Don West Zimmerman defense attorney called the prosecution's case a "disgrace."
"We proved that George Zimmerman was not guilty," he said.

b: From Huff Post.

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George Zimmerman Lawyer Mark O'Mara Fabricated Evidence, Martin Family Lawyer Claims (UPDATE)

c: From Huff Post.

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Zimmerman Trial Juror b37 Reconfirms Glaring Juror Racial Bias
Posted: 07/17/2013 2:18 pm
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All White Juries, Juror b37, Jury Racial Bias, Zimmerman Trial, Black Voices

George Zimmerman trial juror b37 flatly said that there was no doubt that Zimmerman feared for his life when he killed Trayvon Martin. When she said that, she reconfirmed two deep and troubling facts about the Zimmerman trial and the criminal justice system. One is that she and the other white jurors bought the contention Zimmerman's defense attorneys and legions of his backers ruthlessly and relentlessly drove home. That is that Martin was the assailant and Zimmerman the victim. The even more troubling fact is that she reconfirmed again the glaring racial bias that deeply plagues the jury and criminal justice system when a black is both the victim as was Martin, and in a perverse leap of logic by Zimmerman defenders, the defendant as was Martin.

The prosecution failed their jobs to refute this contention. Zimmerman is the one who pursued Martin - with a gun in his possession.

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@hawkeye10,

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feelingless? is this what passes for vocabulary at Ivy League schools now?

That is my word for insensitive or cold-blooded. Below are a list of synonyms for "insensitive.":

http://thesaurus.com/browse/insensitive
heartless
uncaring
unkind
unresponsive
aloof
bloodless
coldhearted
feelingless
hard
hard as nails
hard-boiled
etc

As a general rule, Hawk, I find you so very unpleasant that I avoid responding to your posts; however, in the interest of enlightening you even if it's with one word I have done so. There is a link confirming the legitimacy of the word at the beginning of my response to you. That's really all I have to say.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Enjoy? What in the world are you talking about? I'm American - third generaton; born and bred.

An you address this comment to me instead of David for what reason?

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@Frank Apisa,

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That goes beyond being nonsense...it is a flat out lie.

In what way the new media using a smiling and many years old picture of poor Trayvon or the news media calling a mixed race Latin with black blood first a white and then a white Latin?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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Guys, guys you're forgetting one thing- the jury found George NOT GUILTY, so what makes you think you know better than them?..

I watched the same trial, so I evaluated the same evidence.

Also, they knew nothing about George Zimmerman's past history of aggressive behaviors, or his past history of lying in legal matters, even lying directly to the court, so I knew more than they did about Zimmerman, and his patterns, and his tarnished credibility.

And I reached my own opinion regarding a verdict.

And, if that murder trial were held today, in light of Zimmerman's post-acquittal behaviors, and another arrest for aggressive acts, that jury would never acquit him, I'm positive of that. His credibility problems, which were apparent before, would be blazing in neon lights, and the jury would be less gullible in swallowing the defense team's smoke and mirror tactics.

And that's the sort of problem he's going to have in his current legal case. Selling his usual "innocent victim" story, is going to be much harder for him now.

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