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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
A friend that he would not name, very very odd if the jewelries was not hot in fact so hot you might once more come up with a theory to explained why he would not ID this friend of his and no one came forward to claimed the pieces afterward.

A friend might have indeed given him the jewelries but there would be zero reason not to name that friend unless the property happen to be hot and Trayvon was aware of that fact.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:50 pm
@BillRM,
You're making 100% assumptions without one iota of evidence of what you "think" happened.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:54 pm
@BillRM,
DAVID wrote:
I suspect that martin wanted to pound Zimmy
and to brag about it to his MMA friends.
BillRM wrote:

That would be my guest also as to why he launch such an all out attack
on Zimmerman instead of going home as he could had always scope
the neighborhood out some other time.
Yes; it looks like that.
He paid a high cost for his sadism, but the rest of us r safer
because of his absence.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It's a wise saying; don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see.

You guys are all believers of fiction and untruths.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:00 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
What makes you suppose that Martin launched a deadly attack on Zimmerman...other than what Zimmerman said? The initial attack may have been made by Zimmerman. Zimmerman, after all, was the one acting aggressively right along.


All the same evidence that the jury look at, such as not a mark on Trayvon other then the one bullet wound and wounds on Zimmerman that completely support his story.




So...you agree that there is not one shred of evidence besides Zimmerman's word...that Martin was the aggressor.


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Then there was no text messages found from Zimmerman bragging how he love to fight and it was Zimmerman that call 911 not Trayvon and so on.


Once again...imagine that. A young man bragging that he is brave. Who ever would have thought that humanity could stoop this low.

cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Zimmerman didn't need to brag about how brave he is; his police record tells all. Only if those jokers understood that Zimmerman's aggression is well documented and on the record.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
A young man bragging that he is brave


Strange as I myself had done all kind of things that would show I was "brave" and I had bragged about but I never feel that bragging on the abilities to harm other people would come under such a classification of something I would be proud of.

Nor do I remember any of my circle of friends doing such bragging. Doing stupid things like running cars by a New Jersey state troopers barracks at over a 100 MPH at 4 in the morning yes indeed but not beating up other people.

To be proud of that seems to be a for sure sign of a hoodlum.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Such as defending a friend from attack in a bar not knowing that the person manhandling his friend was an undercover cop?

A few months after that event, cops shot and killed such an undercover cop themselves in a local bar as they to did not know he was a cop when the man pull out a gun.
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parados
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:18 pm
@BillRM,
So the jewelry was stolen because the Trayvon didn't tell the police where it came from? I didn't realize you supported a police state where police can simply confiscate any item they wish without evidence of a crime. You've certainly come a long way from your argument when it concerns you.
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firefly
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Several people have pointed out that if Zimmerman had simply stayed in his car rather than becoming a vigilante and stalking Martin...Martin would have remained fully intact.

Among those several people were the police department he was ostensibly "helping" by stalking Martin.

The police investigation concluded that this was a totally avoidable death, and encounter, had Zimmerman just remained in his car.

That's apparently what also troubled the jurors about not holding him responsible, in some way, for this death, because, by stalking Martin, he alone created the conditions that led to an encounter and a needless death.

I think Zimmerman is likely struggling with that fact too, and, in some ways, it might have been easier for him, psychologically, to accept a conviction than an acquittal.

On the Hannity show, Zimmerman said, if he had to relive that night, he wouldn't do anything differently because, "It was God's plan." This attempt to deny personal responsibly for his bad judgment that night, and, certainly, in retrospect, he should be aware of just how bad his judgment was, that statement also reveals he's been obviously wresting with the issue of whether God will punish him for killing someone--something he also mentioned to one of the police officers who interrogated him. Well, maybe, in his mind, if it was "God's plan" he won't get punished by God, but he's not sure, and that thought may be haunting him, and it may be destroying him.

Unfortunately, Zimmerman's lack of insight, coupled with his poor controls over his volatility and anger, and his feelings that he has nothing left to lose in this life, has resulted in his continuing to provoke heated encounters with others, which have included threats of his using a gun, and his experiencing a rather significant depression. He's continued to repeat essentially the same kind of behaviors that led to Martin's death that night, except now he's doing it in full view, and not under the cover of darkness, and there are living witnesses who have observed his actions.

This is no longer about Trayvon Martin. And, it should really never have been about Trayvon Martin, except as the victim of a tragic and needless homicide. How Martin should have reacted to Zimmerman is really quite beside the point--Zimmerman should not have been following/stalking him in the first place. Martin should never have been forced to deal with George Zimmerman at all.

All along, this should have been about George Zimmerman, and his impaired impulse control, and poor judgment and self-control, his anger issues, and his propensity to instigate violent encounters and to provoke. But, looking at it that way, wouldn't have been useful for the NRA gun-lovers, who exploited Zimmerman for their own purposes, or to the right-wing conservatives who exploited him as a way of attacking Obama and the black community, or to the gun control advocates, who exploited him to attack laws they oppose. The real George Zimmerman was obscured in all of this. So was the real Trayvon Martin, who wound up being the one put on trial, with no way of speaking for himself.

Since his acquittal, we have been seeing the real George Zimmerman, and the reactions--of fear--he provokes in others. We don't have to wonder what Martin was feeling that night--it was the same sort of fear expressed by the 2 women who recently called 911 about him, and the same sort of fear, about what he might do, that's been expressed by a Chief of Police.

And this new chapter in the Zimmerman Show, that's been opened with his recent arrest, is unclouded by issues of race, stand your ground, and all of the other hot button polarizing issues that obscured looking at Zimmerman as an individual the first time around--this time, the focus should remain on Zimmerman, without excuses for his flawed judgment and controls, and without looking to blame, or hold accountable, anyone but Zimmerman for his actions.

We know, from his bizarre 911 call, that Zimmerman is trying to weave "a woman scorned" scenario to explain what led to his arrest--and he's thrown in an allegedly hormonal pregnant woman, to make her "going crazy" seem even more plausible. That's classic Zimmerman. But, this time around, we know enough about him, and his patterns, that we should not just accept his self-serving version of events, and this time there is a living witness/victim who can testify against him.

So, let's hold off on trying to trash his latest accuser. This time, let the evidence unfold in court, where the credibility of both parties can be evaluated.





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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:21 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Oh, but it was. Even David acknowledges that.
DAVID wrote:
OK, as long as we are defining stalking the same way, Frank,
as a wholesome, lawful activity.

When next we meet, u r welcome to stalk me, and in a spirit of conviviality,
I will neither shoot u, nor beat your head against anything.

David


Frank Apisa wrote:
There is absolutely nothing wholesome about stalking someone, David.
It may not be unlawful activity...but for most people it is a very unwelcome thing.
Frank, if I ever stalk u,
I promise to be WHOLESOME about it.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You will be a "wholesome" stalker? ROFLMAO
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Zimmerman didn't need to brag about how brave he is; his police record tells all. Only if those jokers understood that Zimmerman's aggression is well documented and on the record.


Anyway...Zimmerman seems more like the guy who brags about the women he attacks, ci.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:23 pm
@BillRM,
So, he didn't want to name his friend? So what? That doesn't mean Trayvon stole them.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:26 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
A young man bragging that he is brave


Strange as I myself had done all kind of things that would show I was "brave" and I had bragged about but I never feel that bragging on the abilities to harm other people would come under such a classification of something I would be proud of.


Oh...so you have handled yourself that way...and the entire world should do the same thing???

And there is the question of the culture and peers that you dealt with...and the culture and peers Trayvon did.

Why are you so blind to the obvious?

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Nor do I remember any of my circle of friends doing such bragging. Doing stupid things like running cars by a New Jersey state troopers barracks at over a 100 MPH at 4 in the morning yes indeed but not beating up other people.


Oh...doing 100 past a State Trooper's barracks was much more adult.

And if you and your circle of friends were a bunch of pansies...does that mean that the rest of the world has to be just as candy assed?

Quote:

To be proud of that seems to be a for sure sign of a hoodlum.


Actually not at all. But doing many of the things that Zimmerman has done and continues to do...is.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Oh, but it was. Even David acknowledges that.
DAVID wrote:
OK, as long as we are defining stalking the same way, Frank,
as a wholesome, lawful activity.

When next we meet, u r welcome to stalk me, and in a spirit of conviviality,
I will neither shoot u, nor beat your head against anything.

David


Frank Apisa wrote:
There is absolutely nothing wholesome about stalking someone, David.
It may not be unlawful activity...but for most people it is a very unwelcome thing.
Frank, if I ever stalk u,
I promise to be WHOLESOME about it.


David


I'm sure you would be, David. But my guess is that if I were to ask you if I should unconditionally trust everyone who appears to be stalking me to be that wholesome, I suspect you might suggest I be cautious.

BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
So, he didn't want to name his friend? So what? That doesn't mean Trayvon stole them.


He either stole the property himself or knew that the items was hot as once more there would be zero honest reason to surrender the properties instead of showing where they came from.

But maybe you could come up with a theory that would give an honest reason to just walk away from the jewelries.

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firefly
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:30 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Then there was no text messages found from Zimmerman bragging how he love to fight


There didn't need to be--Zimmerman took fighting lessons at a gym for a year.

Zimmerman's interest in fighting was much stronger, and much more intensely pursued, and much more highly trained, than anything that Trayvon Martin ever revealed in a text.

And Zimmerman has continued to provoke, and instigate, and fight--he assaulted his father-in-law in September.

And, now he's been arrested again...for an aggressive action.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:31 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
And there is the question of the culture and peers that you dealt with...and the culture and peers Trayvon did.


I am sure he was involved in a hoodlum culture with hoodlum peers.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:35 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I'm sure you would be, David. But my guess is that if I were to ask you if I should unconditionally trust everyone who appears to be stalking me to be that wholesome, I suspect you might suggest I be cautious.


Being cautious does not mean attacking someone instead of just walking home if you do not wish to enacted with Zimmerman in case he might be hostile.
 

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