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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 09:13 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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OK, as long as we are defining stalking the same way, Frank,
as a wholesome, lawful activity.


That why he keep trying to apply a word that does not fit the actions of Zimmerman that night and have a negative meaning to try to imply that there was something morally wrong and or illegal in Zimmerman following Trayvon that night.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 09:21 am
@BillRM,
I have repeatedly pointed out
that martin needed only to BE NICE
to have remained fully intact.

I don t believe that thay have denied that fact.





David
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 09:57 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I have repeatedly pointed out
that martin needed only to BE NICE
to have remained fully intact.


Hell he did not even need to be nice all he needed to do was to keep walking home and not attacking Zimmerman instead.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 11:13 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
And "Yes", Bill...what Zimmerman was doing was "stalking" Martin.


You can claim that it is stalking a hundred millions times but it was not stalking in any sense of the word.

But keep repeating that falsehood and someone might be convicted that you are right.


Frank Apisa wrote:
Oh, but it was. Even David acknowledges that.
OK, as long as we are defining stalking the same way, Frank,
as a wholesome, lawful activity.

When next we meet, u r welcome to stalk me, and in a spirit of conviviality,
I will neither shoot u, nor beat your head against anything.

David


There is absolutely nothing wholesome about stalking someone, David. It may not be unlawful activity...but for most people it is a very unwelcome thing.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 11:13 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stalk

stalk verb
: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.


Not one thing above apply to Zimmerman actions in following Trayvon for the legal purpose of guiding the police to Trayvon that night.


Nonsense. But I doubt you can see that.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 11:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I have repeatedly pointed out
that martin needed only to BE NICE
to have remained fully intact.

I don t believe that thay have denied that fact.

David


Several people have pointed out that if Zimmerman had simply stayed in his car rather than becoming a vigilante and stalking Martin...Martin would have remained fully intact.

Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 11:26 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:

Several people have pointed out that if Zimmerman had simply stayed in his car rather than becoming a vigilante and stalking Martin...Martin would have remained fully intact.


An individual walking along minding his business is suddenly stalked by a menacing wanna-be-cop is bound to bring about a hostile reaction. What was Martin supposed to do upon seeing Zimmerman, kowtow to the wanna-be-cop, bow deeply and say "BEG PARDON, MASSAH, did I do something wrong"?
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 11:43 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Quote:

Several people have pointed out that if Zimmerman had simply stayed in his car rather than becoming a vigilante and stalking Martin...Martin would have remained fully intact.


An individual walking along minding his business is suddenly stalked by a menacing wanna-be-cop is bound to bring about a hostile reaction. What was Martin supposed to do upon seeing Zimmerman, kowtow to the wanna-be-cop, bow deeply and say "BEG PARDON, MASSAH, did I do something wrong"?


That's apparently what people like Bill think Martin should have done.

We do not know who started the confrontation...who first laid hands on whom. Martin is dead...and Zimmerman has lots of reason to cloud the truth on those two items.

The FACTS we do KNOW are:

Zimmerman stalked Martin.

Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 11:48 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Zimmerman stalked Martin.


Bullshit on using the stalking term once more and I will cheerfully challenge you every time you try to get away with it

Quote:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stalk

stalk verb
: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.


Quote:
Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.


An we know one more little detail that a jury found that it was justifiable homicide.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 11:51 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
What was Martin supposed to do upon seeing Zimmerman
,


I do not know just keep walking home perhaps or saying hello or almost anything but launching a deadly attacked on Zimmerman.

Not a wise move as if Zimmerman had not been armed and Trayvon had been able to either killed him or seriously harm him he would had ended up in prison for a long long long time.

footnote it would at best had been a short local news story as dog bit man is not all that news worthy compare to man bit dog. Nor would it had play into the hands of race baiters and anit-gun nuts.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:03 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Zimmerman stalked Martin.


Bullshit on using the stalking term once more and I will cheerfully challenge you every time you try to get away with it

Quote:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stalk

stalk verb
: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.



Challenge it all you want, Bill. I can use the laugh.

Zimmerman stalked Martin.

Quote:

Quote:
Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.


An we know one more little detail that a jury found that it was justifiable homicide.


Okay...and I concede that. But that does not mean that the jury got the story right...just that the prosecutors did not present a strong enough case for the jury to convict.

We know Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

So...Zimmerman stalked Martin...

...and he shot and killed Martin.

Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:06 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
What was Martin supposed to do upon seeing Zimmerman
,


I do not know just keep walking home perhaps or saying hello or almost anything but launching a deadly attacked on Zimmerman.


What makes you suppose that Martin launched a deadly attack on Zimmerman...other than what Zimmerman said? The initial attack may have been made by Zimmerman. Zimmerman, after all, was the one acting aggressively right along.

Quote:
Not a wise move as if Zimmerman had not been armed and Trayvon had been able to either killed him or seriously harm him he would had ended up in prison for a long long long time.


Oh...I see. You are concerned that Martin might have gone to prison.

Do you actually buy into your own manure?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
They wouldn't understand the word stalk or killed until they themselves or their children are stalked and killed like Martin was - walking home from the store.

I'd like to see them continue supporting Zimmerman after that!
parados
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:18 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

OK give us one theory that would cover an innocent reason that a teenage boy would have a bag full of women jewelry with him at school that he would not explain and that he allowed to be taken from him.
Now it's a bag full of jewelry? Are you sure it wasn't a truck load? Or maybe a couple of metric tons?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:26 pm
@parados,
It was 12 pieces of women's jewelry, but none were reported as stolen.
Bill and others like to jump to conclusions, because they are without evidence or facts to back them up - like almost everything they claim about this case.

Bunch of losers without any conscience or ethical thinking of an innocent kid that was killed by the aggressor and suicidal minded Zimmerman.

BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
What makes you suppose that Martin launched a deadly attack on Zimmerman...other than what Zimmerman said? The initial attack may have been made by Zimmerman. Zimmerman, after all, was the one acting aggressively right along.


All the same evidence that the jury look at, such as not a mark on Trayvon other then the one bullet wound and wounds on Zimmerman that completely support his story.

Then there was no text messages found from Zimmerman bragging how he love to fight and it was Zimmerman that call 911 not Trayvon and so on.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
They wouldn't understand the word stalk or killed until they themselves or their children are stalked and killed like Martin was - walking home from the store.


Or until one of Trayvon supporters carry out the threats to killed the jury member children....LOL
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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:36 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Now it's a bag full of jewelry? Are you sure it wasn't a truck load? Or maybe a couple of metric tons?



Hmm if memory serve me correctly it was in the neighborhood of fourteen or so pieces.

Once more in any case where is your theory of an innocent reason that he would be carrying such women jewelries and when asked stated he was holding if for someone he would not name and no one came forward to claim the jewelries.

Come on I would love to hear a theory of why he had not either stolen them or was knowingly holding stolen properties.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes, but I am still waiting for a theory of why he would had such women jewelries that he would not explain beyond he was holding it for someone he would not name and that no one came forward afterward to claimed the jewelries.

I am surprise that the jewelries was not so hot that if burn a hole in that bag of his.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:40 pm
@BillRM,
The theory? He said it was given to him by a friend. Prove otherwise?
 

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