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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:58 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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doing the job right is defined as following the law, which they did. they better not be unhappy that they did now.


Having large number of death threats directed at them and their children while Holder will not take any actions to stop it can not be happy making.

not everyone has big enough balls to stand up to the mob, to stand for what is right. I was bullied as a kid, I learned early that it must be done and how to do it.
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firefly
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:00 am
@BillRM,
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Of course if he had not been a hoodlum that his parents had not taught him to have respect for adults he would be alive today.

I can not dream even now of attacking Zimmerman under the conditions of that night let alone when I was a 17 years old.

Says the man whose ex-wife had to get a restraining order against him for domestic violence. And you didn't even appear in court to contest her charges.

So, spare us the lies about how well behaved and well-tempered you are...

OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I knew you didn't understand the English language. [???]
You,

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Aggravated stalking: willful, malicious and repeated following or harassing another with credible threats with the intent to place person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury; or willfully, maliciously, repeatedly follows or harasses minor under 16; or after injunction for protection or any court-imposed prohibition of conduct, knowingly, willfully, maliciously and repeatedly follows or harasses another person.
C.I.: Zimmy 's following was neither repeated nor malicious; ergo, he was fully within the law.
That shud not be hard to understand.

cicerone imposter wrote:
Trayvon was 17 years old. If somebody followed you for several blocks, and you were 17 and black,
you would feel threatened too.
That 's not likely.
C. I., its very rude of u to pretend to be able to read Bill 's mind.


cicerone imposter wrote:
But, that's too spacial for you to understand, because you're white trash.
Tell me, C. I., shud Bill bring out the point that YOU are JAP trash????? HAPPY PEARL HARBOR DAY!
Please let him know so that he can proceed accordingly.





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:11 am
@firefly,
restraining orders are available to most everyone who wants one without going in front of a judge. it represents nothing more than an accusation, often fully driven by irrational emotion rather than rational threat. in many states a woman can walk into a VAWA funded shelter and get the staff to fill out paperwork for a restraining order, which will automatically be signed by a judge next day.

I am betting that you are well aware. but you lie.
firefly
 
  1  
Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:14 am
@hawkeye10,
Bill's wife went before a judge. He was notified of that as well as his right to contest her charges. He never appeared in court to defend himself--that was his choice.

Unfortunately, for BillRM, and for you as well, I have a good memory.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:20 am
@hawkeye10,
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I am betting that you are well aware. but you lie.


She is such a lier that she must had have a career in the news media.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:22 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Bill's wife went before a judge. He was notified of that as well as his right to contest her charges.
He never appeared in court to defend himself--that was his choice.

Unfortunately, for BillRM, and for you as well,
I have a good memory.
Is your memory good enuf
for u to have watched that video
of Prof. James Duane's law lecture
qua making statements to the police, YET??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
firefly
 
  1  
Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:26 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Fortunately, I don't have run-ins with with police where I have to worry about what I say to them.

You ought to send it to Zimmerman.

The story he concocted in his last 911 call was very implausible, particularly given the fact he threw her out was barricaded in her house refusing to open the door for the police, and now he's stuck with what he said in that call.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:46 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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I am betting that you are well aware. but you lie.


She is such a lier that she must had have a career in the news media.
rarely does one need to be a good liar, signing a piece of paper with the right words on it is normally all that is required.

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Qualifying Evidence

The court cannot issue a restraining order without “reasonable proof” that abuse has been committed. A signed statement detailing particular incidents of abuse and, if possible, the dates on which they occurred may be enough evidence. However, the following items are very helpful to the court. If you have them, a copy should be attached to your statement:

Police reports of recent incidents
Medical/hospital records
Photographs of injuries
Emergency Protective Orders
Criminal Protective Order

http://fvlc.org/learn/know-the-law/restraining-orders/domestic-violence-restraining-orders/
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 12:55 am
Let's bring in two defence witnesses for Zimmy..Smile

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."- (President John Adams 1735-1826)

"The right of self defense is the first law of nature"- (US judge St. George Tucker 1752-1827)
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:08 am
@firefly,
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The story he concocted in his last 911 call was very implausible, particularly given the fact he threw her out was barricaded in her house refusing to open the door for the police, and now he's stuck with what he said in that call.
the story is very plausible, except for "why dont you let them in?....I dont have anything to say to them" as you are on the phone with 911 because you want someone to know the truth AND since when is not opening the door to the police because you dont want to talk to them one of the options? What he says about what went down with GF however makes perfect sense.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:10 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Bill's wife went before a judge. He was notified of that as well as his right to contest her charges.
He never appeared in court to defend himself--that was his choice.



We are talking about me again how nice but there was no hearing where I could challenge her nonsense unless I repeat I would contact the courts and request one.

I remember calling my lawyer up at the time after receiving the papers and asking what the hell I should do about this and he reply that she had just been serve with divorce papers so what the point, as you will shortly have her out of your life in any case.

Unlike Zimmerman I was bright enough in going back into the home, to had brought three witnesses along with me, all those one of them would not have carry a lot of weight being my father still with two and a half witnesses that saw the only person that was hit was myself as she attempted to provoke me into hitting her I do not see that the order to not assault her, not a stay away order, would had stood if I had fought it,

Now knowing what a big deal any such order had become over the decades I would had move to have it set aside an I regret I took my lawyer advice at the time.

She did do me one hell of a favor as my divorce was the first in my family history going back many generations and by lying as she did over such a matter she took away any question that I was going to get her out of my life at any cost.

Then it also sadly took knowing my now wife for 21 years before I could bring myself to put my life into any woman hand by marrying her.

My best man save a paper I gave him in 1982 saying I would never remarried and gave it back to me in Las Vegas in 2006 just before I married Annette.

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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:17 am
Ah women, there's nothing they wouldn't do FOR you early on, and there's nothing they wouldn't do TO you when it goes sour later..
(I never married; came close a couple of times but regained my senses just in time..Smile)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/misery1.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/glendaJ.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub3/harriet1.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub2/smileB.jpg
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firefly
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:19 am
@hawkeye10,
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The court cannot issue a restraining order without “reasonable proof” that abuse has been committed.


Apparently Bill's ex-wife provided "reasonable proof" to the judge of Bill's violent or threatening actions.

Bill was also notified of his right to appear in court to contest her charges against him. He chose not to appear.

So, the judge issued a restraining order against BillRM, for domestic violence, and BillRM never appeared in court to refute the charges.

End of story. BillRM had a restraining order filed against him for domestic violence, and he waived his right to dispute the charges.

Believe me, if someone accused me of something I didn't do, that was damaging to my reputation, I sure would go into court and contest the accusations.

Maybe BillRM couldn't contest the charges because they were true....and I wouldn't expect him to admit that.

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BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:19 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
qualifying Evidence

The court cannot issue a restraining order without “reasonable proof” that abuse has been committed. A signed statement detailing particular incidents of abuse and, if possible, the dates on which they occurred may be enough evidence. However, the following items are very helpful to the court. If you have them, a copy should be attached to your statement:

Police reports of recent incidents
Medical/hospital records
Photographs of injuries
Emergency Protective Orders
Criminal Protective Order


Well she, my wife, got one with none of the above proof all she have was her willingness to lied under oath and it was permanent unless I would required a court hearing.

I do regret not challenging it at the time but an order just ordering me not to assault her when I never had assaulted her and have no plans on doing so in the future seems kind of meaningless to me at the time.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:29 am
@BillRM,
i am going to take a wild guess that your experience with the protective order system where a woman can make a lying statement about a man that will be automatically believed by the state and furthermore for a man to get out from under it he must prove his innocence (an abuse of the Constitution if I have ever seen one) is where your hostility towards women who lie about rape with zero negative consequences comes from.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:32 am
I was chatting to the age 40-ish chap who runs the local pet shop, he's one of the nicest guys around and I asked if he was a family man, and he replied "Yes i've got two kids and a wife but we're getting divorced"
"Sorry to hear that" I replied, "what happened?"
"She turned evil" he answered.
I didn't press for details because i could see he was upset.
The moral?- when Satan takes a woman, guys had better watch out..Wink

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/exorcist2.jpg
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:35 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
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Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

ask a guy by the name of George Zimmerman.
BillRM
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:38 am
@hawkeye10,
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your hostility towards women who lie about rape with zero negative consequences comes from.


Yes indeed that is one of the most important elements in my hostility toward women who will game the system and even when it is proven to be all falsehoods there hardly any meaningful punishment for doing so.

The harm to me that resulted from my ex-wife lying was not from the criminal justice system but from it preventing me from being able for decades to completely trust another woman even one that had proven over decades that I could trust her.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 7 Dec, 2013 01:55 am
@BillRM,
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The harm to me that resulted from my ex-wife lying was not from the criminal justice system but from it preventing me from being able for decades to completely trust another woman even one that had proven over decades that I could trust her.


some guys lose jobs, kids, and a lot of money from the lies. maybe you got off easy.
 

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