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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 10:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You have no evidence, but you continue to harp on those facts that have never proven he has stolen them.


He either stolen that jewels himself or was holding the stolen property for someone else as there is no other reason for a male student to have a large amount of women jewel in his bag that he would not explain other then he was HOLDING it for some one else that he would not name.

But what the hell we should go with the picture of a poor 13 years old smiling and innocence child that the news media try to sell us instead of what the hell he happen to had been..
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 10:49 pm
http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/october-2011.jpg?w=960&h=668
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firefly
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 10:52 pm
@BillRM,
Oh stop with the jewelry. No one even reported to the police that the jewelry was stolen, that it was missing from their possession. It was mostly plain wedding bands, not likely the sort of jewelry that even gets stolen from a home burglary, because women usually wear their wedding bands. And the "diamond" earrings may well have been CZ's.
So, maybe it belonged to a friend, and Trayvon was holding it. But there's no indication that a friend had stolen it either. Maybe it was all bought in a pawn shop and the friend planned on getting more for it by having it melted down. Who knows? Who cares? It doesn't mean Martin was a burglar or a thief. He didn't need to steal--his parents weren't poor--they bought him stuff, they gave him money. And, big deal, he wrote "WTF" on a school locker. Wow, that really makes him a heavy duty vandal. Rolling Eyes

Meanwhile, its Zimmerman who has been accused of stealing $4000+ worth of his mother-in-law's property, from the home she rented to him, and defacing the interior of the home as well by writing on the kitchen cabinets. And he's not 16 years old, why is writing on other people's property?

And, in this picture, Trayvon is 16 years old. According to his parents, it was taken about 7 or 8 months before he was killed.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/jamesfallows/assets_c/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin-thumb-250x311-82069.jpg

And this photo was taken about a week and a half before he was killed. Trayvon's in the orange Reese's shirt with his arm around his mother. His brother is on the left in the plaid shirt.
http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon9days_1.jpg?w=660
This is a closeup from that photo
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130605-trayvon-MARTIN-jsw-1010a.photoblog600.jpg

He was a kid. He looked like a kid because he was a kid. He really was an innocent kid.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 10:58 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Oh stop with the jewelry. No one even reported to the police that the jewelry was stolen, that it was missing from their possession. It was mostly plain wedding bands, not likely the sort of jewelry that even gets stolen from a home burglary, because women usually wear their wedding bands. So, maybe it belonged to a friend, and Trayvon was holding it. But there's no indication that a friend had stolen it either. Maybe it was all bought in a pawn shop and the friend planned on getting more for it by having it melted down. Who knows? Who cares? It doesn't mean Martin was a burglar or a thief. He didn't need to steal--his parents weren't poor--they bought him stuff, they gave him money.

Meanwhile, its Zimmerman who has been accused of stealing $4000+ worth of his mother-in-law's property, from the home she rented to him, and defacing the interior of the home as well.

And, in this picture, Trayvon is 16 years old. According to his parents, it was taken about 7 or 8 months before he was killed.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/jamesfallows/assets_c/2012/03/Trayvon-Martin-thumb-250x311-82069.jpg

And this photo was taken about a week and a half before he was killed. Trayvon's in the orange Reese's shirt with his arm around his mother. His brother is on the left in the plaid shirt.
http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon9days_1.jpg?w=660
This is a closeup from that photo
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130605-trayvon-MARTIN-jsw-1010a.photoblog600.jpg

He was a kid. He looked like a kid because he was a kid. He really was an innocent kid.
Did u see the police pictures of the corpse on the grass?
That did not look like any "KID";
not innocent, either unless u dont count trying to murder Zimmy for no reason.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 10:59 pm
@firefly,
Bill has a hangup about those jewelry even though nobody claimed them as stolen. He's a very sick man who makes assumptions about other people and their possible stealing of property - without one iota of proof.

His imagination runs wild, because he's not a stable person himself. Why would anyone accuse another person that he doesn't even know - that "they stole it."

Why?

firefly
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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d u see the police pictures of the corpse on the grass?
That did not look like any "KID";

He was only 3 weeks past his 17th birthday--he was a kid, a 5'11 tall, 159 lb., tall skinny kid.

And he looked like a kid--an adolescent kid--as a corpse. Just as he looked in the family photos taken just before he was killed.

And, please don't post the corpse photo.
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
OK give us one theory that would cover an innocent reason that a teenage boy would have a bag full of women jewelry with him at school that he would not explain and that he allowed to be taken from him.

I am holding it for someone that he would not name is not an innocent theory as if it was not stolen he would have no problem giving out the name of the person he was holding it for.

Then if jewelry that was not hot was indeed taken from him and this poor child was just holding it for a friend the friend would have no problem coming forward to claim that jewelry.

I can not wait for you to come up with a reason for him having that jewelry that does not cover him having stolen it or knowingly holding stolen property for someone else.



firefly
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is the sort of manufactured crap about Trayvon these gullible idiots not only swallowed and believed, they keep repeating it, even though it's known to be false.
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The case has been riddled with claims against Martin’s innocence based upon notions of cultural inferiority. Some, like New Orleans police officer Jason Giroir, who stated ‘Act like a Thug Die like one,’ suggesting that Trayvon brought his murder upon himself, would claim that had Martin made himself suspicious by donning a hoodie. Certainly all individuals in hooded sweatshirts MUST be criminals… Right?

What is of note in this case is that it epitomizes the new face of racism in America. No longer is it acceptable to justify a murder with a barrage of racial slurs. Now, we love to claim we belong to a society that is colorblind. Our new approach to racism is to propagate cultural stereotypes and suggest that culture makes a particular group inferior, not their race. Trayvon wasn’t suspicious because he was black, of course. He was suspicious because he was wearing a hoodie and looking like a “thug.” Right

However, Zimmerman isn’t the only one to support this view. Many conservatives have begun to falsify information to play on the public’s stereotypes regarding black males. It is a clear ploy to reduce sympathy for this tragic case. Martin’s mother, stated, “They killed my son, now they’re trying to kill his reputation.” Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin’s website, Twitchy, posted a photo of “Trayvon Martin” making an obscene gesture and wearing extremely saggy pants. This picture was purportedly from Martin’s Facebook and quickly went viral on the internet, with many conservatives who had seemingly been waiting for an excuse to vilify Martin using the image to portray him as a thug.

This clearly evokes upon racial stereotypes in an attempt to discredit the innocence of Martin. For many, it wasn’t justifiable that Martin was shot because he was black, but it was justifiable if he was one of those blacks—as codified language might describe him. This wasn’t the only photo that surfaced. There have been at least two other photos of unidentified black males in “gangster” garb that have been purported as Trayvon to detract from his family’s credibility. Unfortunately for the Conservative detractors, all the photos were proven false and one is rumored to have originated on stormfront.com, a white supremacist website.

Further, one inventive conservative blogger has manufactured an entire falsified story about Trayvon Martin, pegging him as a drug dealer. This story was picked up by the Examiner’s Kyle Rogers who not once, but twice made false allegations about Martin. First, Rogers claimed that Martin was suspended from school for assaulting a bus driver, although a Miami Herald report story released three days prior revealed that his suspension was due to trespassing. Then Rogers corrected himself with more falsehoods, later claiming in an update that the cause of Martin’s ten-day suspension was smoking marijuana on school property.

The story he referenced actually claims that Martin was found with an empty bag of marijuana, but the self-titled Charleston Conservative Examiner decided to place his own inferences into the story. You know, just to make sure that there was still reason to peg Martin as a thug-like criminal.

The sheer elation of some of the commentators on these articles upon the discovery that Trayvon “wasn’t as innocent as the mainstream liberal media portrayed” is disturbing. These conservatives frequently contradict themselves by complaining that those supporting Martin are race baiters while failing to notice that their propagation of cultural stereotypes would be more accurately defined as race baiting. If we took an image of a white, hoodie wearing skateboarder and substituted it with Martin, it’s unlikely that we would be noticing this conservative backlash. We claim to be post-racial, but this is certainly not so.

http://elitedaily.com/life/culture/trayvon-martin-face-racism-america/



BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:23 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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Firefly Maybe it was all bought in a pawn shop and the friend planned on getting more for it by having it melted down


An the friend would have come forward and stated here is proof I own this Jewelry with a receipt from that pawn shop please return the jewelry to me.

There is no innocent theory of the boy having that jewelry and then would not tell where it came from.

Poor CI and Firefly pin down by the fact that they can not come up with any innocent theory of where that jewelry came from,

The "boy" was a minor hoodlum long before he try to killed Zimmerman.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:28 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
And, please don't post the corpse photo.
He looked at least middle aged in that one;
not like the ones at the start of this media circus.
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:33 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Re: firefly (Post 5513183)
firefly wrote:
And, please don't post the corpse photo.
He looked at least middle aged in that one;
not like the ones at the start of this media circus.


Of course Firefly does not wish to see the corpse photo as it show him as he was when he launched his attacked on Zimmerman with the body of a man not a child.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:34 pm
@firefly,
Martin brought it all on himself.
It bears repetition; cannot be said too many times:
he 'd have remained fully intact, if he had only been nice.
Think back to what I posted qua my being confronted in NY last summer
and reflect upon the results.





David
firefly
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Bill has a hangup about those jewelry even though nobody claimed them as stolen. He's a very sick man who makes assumptions about other people and their possible stealing of property - without one iota of proof.

His imagination runs wild, because he's not a stable person himself. Why would anyone accuse another person that he doesn't even know - that "they stole it."

Why?

Because he can't even permit himself to acknowledge that Zimmerman erroneously racially profiled an innocent kid, and then recklessly stalked him, creating and instigating the conditions for that kid's totally needless and avoidable death.

If Zimmerman had just stayed in his car, Trayvon Martin would be alive. Trayvon was minding his own business, talking on his phone, and meandering home. He wasn't doing anything to bother Zimmerman or anyone else--Zimmerman stalked him, in the dark. Zimmerman was motivated by his own crazy obsessions and his anger. Martin wasn't doing anything wrong or even "suspicious". Zimmerman was the provocateur, and it was his lousy judgment that caused Martin's death--he couldn't leave the kid alone because he was so angry at "these f--king punks" he lacked the self-control to remain in the car until the police showed up .

So, if these idiots turn Martin into a "hoodlum" or a "thug" that somehow, in their warped minds, makes it alright that Zimmerman stalked him, and, in doing that, created a tragic situation . They don't see it as a tragedy, they think Zimmerman did the world a favor by getting rid of a lowlife.

That's also why they can't acknowledge any of Zimmerman's behaviors, both before and after he killed Martin, that clearly show he's the real lowlife and danger to others.

They won't change. They'll keep repeating the same crap. The same racist crap.

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firefly
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:41 pm
@BillRM,
There is no evidence that the jewelry was stolen by anyone.

What about the $4000+ worth of her property that Zimmerman's mother-in-law said he stole from her home--a matter that may yet wind up in landlord/tenant civil court.

And she claims he also defaced the kitchen cabinets in that home by writing on them.

That sounds worse than a 16 y.o. kid writing "WTF" on a school locker--he's a 30 year old man.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Of course if he had not been a hoodlum that his parents had not taught him to have respect for adults he would be alive today.

I can not dream even now of attacking Zimmerman under the conditions of that night let alone when I was a 17 years old.

A simple hello would have end stop any problems instead of a full blown attack.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
[Here C.I. shows off his telepathic abilities:]
We all know that Bill, hawk, oralboy, and David all know better

than the chief police investigator who said
Quote:
that he would not have regarded Martin's behavior as "suspicious" and he wouldn't have called the police about him,


Only a mental deficient Zimmerman acted on his own imagination, that Trayvon was "up to no good."

All these yokels supporting Zimmerman are a laughing stock; bunch of pigs in human form.
What counts is that the jury did the job right.
C.I.'s mental sickness is his private problem.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
doing the job right is defined as following the law, which they did. they better not be unhappy that they did now.
BillRM
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
doing the job right is defined as following the law, which they did. they better not be unhappy that they did now.


Having large number of death threats directed at them and their children while Holder will not take any actions to stop it can not be happy making.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:52 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Of course if he had not been a hoodlum that his parents had not taught him to have respect for adults he would be alive today.


as he was on the way to dads GF house against his will dad felt the need to text travon that he better show respect to GF. THIS SAYS A LOT!
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firefly
 
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Fri 6 Dec, 2013 11:55 pm
@BillRM,
What about the death threats Zimmerman has been making to others? Not vague anonymous internet threats--but very direct death threats to very real people he's angry at?

Why do you think he's been arrested again and is out on bail now--and not allowed to have contact with guns?

Why do you think a Police Chief called him "a ticking time bomb" and "another Aurora or Sandy Hook waiting to happen"?
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