The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

I knew you didn't understand the English language. You,


Trayvon was 17 years old. If somebody followed you for several blocks, and you were 17 and black, you would feel threatened too. But, that's too spacial for you to understand, because you're white trash.

http://psychcentral.com/news/2011/03/04/racial-battle-fatigue-seems-to-fuel-anxiety-disorder-among-african-americans/24132.html

Trayvon Martin was a neighbor, he belonged in that neighborhood--he was a house guest.

There was really minimal reason for Zimmerman to even call the police about Martin, and there was no legitimate objective reason for him to stalk Martin, or for him to even get out of his truck.

The chief police investigator on this case, said, during his testimony at Zimmerman's trial, that he would not have regarded Martin's behavior as "suspicious" and he wouldn't have called the police about him, let alone have stalked him. He said, if he had seen someone he didn't know in his community, and he thought the person was behaving strangely, he would have driven over and asked him if he needed any help or assistance.

That police detective thinks like a good neighbor and someone interested in looking after his neighborhood--and he doesn't assume that every black kid in a hoodie is "up to no good." Zimmerman labeled Martin's actions as suspect, mainly because the kid was black. Fortunately, the detective doesn't share Zimmerman's racially biased attitudes, unfortunately, for Martin, he was the victim of those attitudes.

And Zimmerman wasn't innocently guiding the police, who didn't need or want his help...he was stalking Martin, and doing so for his own reasons. And he was "stalking" in the dictionary definition, everyday use of that term.

Let me repeat what I said in my previous post...

Zimmerman was stalking his "suspect"--that's how he referred to Martin in his written statement to the police--as "the suspect". Zimmerman was pursuing his prey, and Martin was his prey. Zimmerman wasn't doing this for the police, they didn't want or need him to stalk Martin. Zimmerman wasn't doing this in accord with neighborhood watch rules, it's contrary to those rules. Zimmerman was doing this because of his own anger and obsession with the thought that "these f---ing punks always get away". Zimmerman was stalking Martin entirely for his own reasons, because he didn't want this one to get away. Martin was his prey--and he stalked his prey in the dark, like a hunter stalks an animal.

In reality, Martin wasn't a "suspect"--he had engaged in no criminal activity, and done nothing remotely criminal. Since when is looking around at buildings, while just walking around talking on a cell phone, something that should make anyone regarded as a criminal "suspect"? But, by calling Martin his "suspect" Zimmerman made it abundantly clear he was playing wannabe cap, because he chose to use cop language. People who play cop, in that way, are vigilantes. So, I'm not at all sure that Zimmerman had any valid reason for stalking Martin--he had a rationalization for why he did what he did, but that's not the same as "a valid reason".

So, Frank, and others, have been quite correct in describing Zimmerman's actions as "stalking". That's just what he was doing. And he did cause Martin emotional distress, and apprehension, by such actions, we know that from the conversation Rachel Jeantel reported. And, we also know he perceived Zimmerman as being white. A black teen, particularly in the South, has every reason to feel apprehensive when a white guy starts stalking him in the dark, and Zimmerman never identified himself to Martin, to try to reduce such apprehensions about why he was being "stalked".

We all know that Bill, hawk, oralboy, and David all know better than the chief police investigator who said

Only a mental deficient Zimmerman acted on his own imagination, that Trayvon was "up to no good."

All these yokels supporting Zimmerman are a laughing stock; bunch of pigs in human form.

Given that one in three blacks males in Florida have felonies convictions I would think that white trash would have far more to worry about if a black man is following them then the other way around.......

Given that Trayvon turn and try to killed Zimmerman it would seems that Zimmerman was correct in his judgment concerning the young man.

Stop with your stupid refrain of which are all wrong conclusions. You haven't posted any information that's correct or ethical based on information from ALL OTHER RELIABLE SOURCES.

Would you care to refer to where I had posted any misinformation?

Supporting Zimmerman's right to defend himself, once he's in a situation where he feels genuinely threatened, is one thing.

But these yokels are going beyond that--they're trying to defend Zimmerman's actions that were clearly bad judgment--that the jury thought were bad judgment--like his stalking/following Martin in the dark. Both jurors who spoke out felt Zimmerman should not have done that.

Quibbling about whether these actions were illegal completely misses the point--they were very poor judgment on Zimmerman's part. And those actions, on his part, according to the police in their investigative report, led to a needless and avoidable death.

So to listen to them blame an innocent, barely 17 year old kid, for his own death, is both repulsive and absurd. According to the police, if Zimmerman hadn't followed him, or if at least he'd identified himself to Martin, the kid would still be alive. That makes Zimmerman's impaired judgment responsible for Martin's death, and by no means is he "innocent" regarding this death. The state just failed to prove he was guilt of 2nd degree murder--that's not the same as being "innocent" or not responsible for this death.

When these yokels defend acts of poor judgment, that lead to a needless and avoidable death, they may be seen as a laughing stock, but the death of an innocent kid is not a laughing matter.

there you go, redefining words to your liking again. spending a night, or even a few, at somebodies house does not mean I live there. Had Travon ever even been there before this visit?

I wish we had more like him.

probably he does not live in a neighborhood that had need to call the cops over 400 times a year, and had suffered multiple break ins from young black hoodlums.

But he has the experience and knowledge necessary to know who and when anybody walking the streets needs to be pursued. A 17 year old kid is not one of them. That's only common sense.

But you keep telling us, by your Nazi/Aryan standards of racial purity, that Zimmerman is not white, he's black. You've said, "He's no more white than Obama."

And he currently does have a felony charge against him...

So, by your criteria, people should be worried if Zimmerman follows them, given that he's black, right BillRM?

Why do you think all the negative things you've been saying about black males don't also apply to Zimmerman, since you regard him as black--as black as Obama.

what is your theory, young black hoodlums only vandalize in packs?

Yes he had. He had been there several times, as a house guest with his father.

And he did belong there that night--he wasn't a trespasser, or an intruder, he was a house guest. He had every right to be walking around on that property, talking on his cell phone, looking around at anything he felt like looking at.

Had Zimmerman done what the detective said he would have done, driven over to the kid and asked him if he needed any help or assistance, he would have found out the kid was a house guest, and he probably would have continued driving to Target, and Martin would have continued walking home, and gotten there safely.

Because he saw a black male he didn't recognize, Zimmerman immediately jumped to the erroneous conclusion he was a criminal type, and he misinterpreted Martin's totally innocuous behaviors as "suspicious" and indicating he was "up to no good." And then he compound that error in judgment by exhibiting very bad judgment in stalking the kid, and he caused a needless, avoidable, death by doing that.

It's hard not to see that Martin was the victim of both racial profiling, and Zimmerman's craziness and wannabe cop/vigilante zeal.

You are stupid! You're making the assumption that Trayvon Martin was a hoodlum. Most white killers work alone. They also kill children and adults. Did you know that?

Not need to assume that Mr. Martin was a hoodlum ,as one night he went from the very minor league of hoodlums that consist of having women jewels and burglary tools and other minor crimes at school to the major league in trying to killed Zimmerman.

How dare you CI try to take the title of hoodlum away from him as he gave his life to earn that title.

You continue to make assumptions without having any humanity of giving Trayvon any benefit of the doubt. You have no evidence, but you continue to harp on those facts that have never proven he has stolen them.

From your posts on a2k, I see you as more of a hoodlum than Trayvon ever hoped to be. He was a teenager who hasn't done what most teenagers have experienced by that age.

You need to mature and grow up, because you prove with your posts that you have no decency towards human life.

There are more white kids with more criminal records than Trayvon - who purposely kill blacks without any conscience. Your myopia only proves your bigotry and ignorance.

You have no idea the hate crimes perpetrated by whites against blacks.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/06/mississippi.hate.crime/

The defense stratagy involved exploiting a false narrative about Martin that was all over the internet. It was a propaganda campaign designed to make it look like Martin was someone who was "suspicious", who deserved to be stalked, and who was the kind of person who might have "attacked" Zimmerman, rather than an innocent frightened kid who didn't know why this "creepy ass white cracker" was stalking him in the dark, or what he intended to do to him, and who likely punched Zimmerman in self-defense because the adult scared him.

It was all distortions, disinformation, and out-right lies about Martin, who seems to have done nothing more terrible in his life than come late to school and cut some classes, and smoke some pot. Normal teenage stuff, and some possible adjustment issues related to being in a new school. No history of behaving aggressively or threatening people, no run-ins with the police--that was Zimmerman, not Martin. Martin was described by his classmates and teachers as being a laid-back kid, with no anger problems, and not a behavior problem in class or with his teachers. And his older brother wasn't in jail, he was a college student, which was the future Trayvon planned for himself. He came from a decent middle class family, he wasn't a ghetto kid.

Now that everyone is seeing the real Zimmerman, and his post-acquittal run-ins with the police, and his aggressive and threatening behaviors toward others, it's clear who the real "hoodlum" is.

The jurors on the murder case knew nothing of Zimmerman's past aggressive behaviors--that he had been court-ordered to take anger management to avoid trial for assaulting a law enforcement officer, that his former fiancée took out a restraining order against him for domestic violence, that he had been fired from a part-time security job because he was "too aggressive", etc. And, because his jury lacked a single black person, it was easier for them to overlook the obvious racial profiling that impelled Zimmerman's initial and immediate reaction to Martin, and to assume that Zimmerman's subsequent actions were justified. The longest holdout was the one minority juror, and she seems to have regretted her decision to cave to group pressure. A black juror would have brought a different perspective, and life experience, to that jury, particularly on the matter of racial profiling, but that jury lacked one.

If Zimmerman's trial were held now, no one would buy his story of being a mild-mannered, "good citizen", innocent victim who was suddenly attacked by a middle class kid with no history, at all, of anger problems, or aggressive or confrontational behaviors, or of run-ins with the law. They'd see the real George Zimmerman, and they'd give more thought to why that confrontation with Martin even occurred, and the recklessness and bad judgment on Zimmerman's part that brought it about, and they'd convict him of manslaughter. I have little doubt of that.

From Legalspeaks.com.