The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

Frank Apisa wrote:

Occam's Razor is one of the weakest philosophical gambits ever...and by no means does it clear up the question of who the attacker was that night.
We do not know who initiated the physical confrontation.

We can said nothing for 100 percent sure however the odds of who started the conflict approach 100 percent that it was Trayvon not Zimmerman,

cicerone imposter wrote:

The way I see these issues is that many people's emotions take away their ability to see things clearly. They have a choice, but prefer to control their thinking with emotion rather than what is obvious facts and evidence.
I call that STUPID.

Hiya, Ci, I understand where you're coming from, and there are a few posters whom your description depicts perfectly.

However, looking at it from an unemotional viewpoint (not frustration)....rationally.....One who has demonstrated an inability to reason doesn't deserve our scorn and or ridicule but our understanding.

One's failure to comprehend the other side of the coin, often believing he's staunchly right,

often believing he's staunchly right, yet wasn't a physical eyewitness, comes right out of the inverted Oralloy playbook....someone who is a very misinformed, possibly deluded poster.

You would not try to explain "quantum mechanics I" to a child of 5 years old, would you?

The more explicit reasoning you exhibit implying Zimmerman was the "stalker" and Martin merely trying to defend himself from his pursuer, the more unshakable in their opposition the pro-Zimmerman supporters become.

But, you have to remember, Hawkeye and BillRM think all women have "massive credibility problems"--they really don't trust women.

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What pride you show in such a bunch of disgusting thoughts, Bill.

LOL Zimmerman should had allowed himself to be either killed or cripple by Trayvon I assume.

BillRM wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Occam's Razor is one of the weakest philosophical gambits ever...and by no means does it clear up the question of who the attacker was that night.
We do not know who initiated the physical confrontation.

We can said nothing for 100 percent sure however the odds of who started the conflict approach 100 percent that it was Trayvon not Zimmerman,

Indeed. There is no doubt that Trayvon approached Mr. Zimmerman and began the confrontation.

Everything that Frank Apisa says is without exception always an outright lie.

He should stay in his car the way he was instructed.

Frank Apisa wrote:

You do not know the mechanics of the encounter, Bill. Trayvon may have attacked Zimmerman...but only after Zimmerman first attacked him.

Once more for that to be true you would need to buy into a man ten years older then Trayvon could attacked him and leave not a damn mark of any kind on him while Trayvon could then knocked him to the ground and begin to pound his head onto the sidewalk.

Oh and you would also need to assume that Zimmerman knowing that the police that he had called could show up at any moment would started a fight anyway.

Not to mention text messages and such by Trayvon bragging what a great fighter he happen to be.

But, like Zimmerman, you carry your gun - just in case you want to become a vigilante

So, what have we here, male chauvinist who believe males are superior to females. That might be a part of their makeup but I believe the problem extend much deeper. They see Trayvon Martin through a racial prism, as a lesser species or at least one inferior to them, a second class citizen. There is nothing unusual about Hawk, Billrm, Coldjoint, RF etc, reacting the way they are. One would expect this from a certain calibre of people within American culture.

Frank Apisa wrote:

He should stay in his car the way he was instructed.

Please show where anyone told him to get into and remain in his car!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on the 911 tapes are in the public domain please please link to any such instruction.

A comment by the 911 operator that you do not need to keep following him is not an instruction concerning a car but maybe you could link to such an instruction.

After all you would not be making up things out of thin air as the news media had done over this case now are you Frank!!!!!!!!!

It is always best to remember that every single thing that Frank Apisa says is without exception always an outright lie.

Oralloy is without a doubt a fine man...a perceptive one...and he is loved by all who read his posts because of his open-mindedness.

Indeed! Each of us should bend on our knees and pay homage to this great and noble poster. We should burm incense and praise his name for surely there is no one like Oralloy.

where you focus only on the facts and you treat everyone with basic common decency?

They see Trayvon Martin through a racial prism, as a lesser species or at least one inferior to them, a second class citizen.

So, what have we here, male chauvinist who believe males are superior to females