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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:04 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
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Stupidity at its worst. If somebody is pointing a gun at you, that means it's too late to react. DUH! No brains.


You my friend stated that the girlfriend did not have firearms first of all,
and that was the issue we was addressing.

Next if she have any fear of Zimmerman using a firearm on her
with special note of a shotgun her hanging around in plain sight in the front yard
is not a rational act.
WELL SAID!





David
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BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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I remain intensely pleased at my not
having the turbulence of domestic strife.


Every time I read of such nonsense happening to others I give thanks to having my wife as my partner.

My first wife taught me the need to used damn good judgment in picking a partner.
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hawkeye10
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:07 pm
@firefly,
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According to the reporter, her main reason for communicating with him was to spur George to get psychiatric help
and Shellie is doing 15 minutes on Katie in large part she claims because she wants to "help" George. I'll tell you though that if i was dealing with a mentally unstable loved one calling a reporter would not be my first idea, it would not even be one of the first ten.

why do these woman refuse to let him go away in peace and quiet?
BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:13 pm
@BillRM,
David since 2006 Florida CC lic. are not a matter of public record.


Quote:


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080610202307AAiaUOa

On July 1, 2006, a new law went into effect that makes personal identifying information pertaining to a Concealed Weapon or Firearm license confidential and exempt from Section 119.07(1), Florida Statutes and Section 24(a), Article 1 of the State Constitution.

Exceptions to this exemption are:
With the express written consent of the applicant or licensee or his/her legally authorized representative.
By court order upon a showing of good cause.
Upon request by a law enforcement agency in connection with the performance of lawful duties.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons...
firefly
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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If somebody is pointing a gun at you, that means it's too late to react.

She claims he pointed the gun at her to keep her from calling the police about the way he had been acting prior to that--breaking furniture, etc.

She called the police anyway. They found the whacko, barricaded inside the house, refusing to let them in. They believed her, not him, and they arrested him.

And a judge found probable cause for the charges against him.

The yo-yos supporting him in this thread just can't deal with the reality of Zimmerman's recent behavior, or how he has been menacing people with guns, or threats of gun use, lately. It's not just this one woman. Even the Lake Mary Chief of Police called Zimmerman a "ticking time bomb" and "another Aurora or Sandy Hook waiting to happen."

Zimmerman needed to get arrested--he's almost been asking to get himself arrested lately--to help put some external controls on his behavior. Hopefully, the conditions of his bail will help to do that. Hopefully, it will result in his going for psychiatric help.

Baldimo
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:32 pm
@firefly,
So he is guilty already?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:33 pm
@firefly,
WELL SAID!

Some people's brains have gone on permanent vacation; I'm sure they're prepared for the Zimmermans' of this world.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 02:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
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why do these woman refuse to let him go away in peace and quiet?


A damn good question and so far all indications are that both of the two women in Zimmerman life are acting in far more of an irrational/emotional manner then him.

Given that he have a large target on his back the man just going to need to exercise far better judgment in picking partners in the future then he had to this point.

With or without a target on a man back as big as Zimmerman we all need to be careful given the attitude toward men now existing.

Still can remember the time the house alarm system got trigger by error and the police upon showing up looking at me with great suspicion as the only male in the household.

Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 03:04 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
why do these woman refuse to let him go away in peace and quiet?


A damn good question and so far all indications are that both of the two women in Zimmerman life are acting in far more of an irrational/emotional manner then him.


Really?

What teenagers did they kill?

How many?
firefly
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 03:05 pm
@Baldimo,
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So he is guilty already?

I think he certainly seems guilty of having thrown her out of her house, given what the police observed when they got there. And that's some of what he's charged with.

And his own 911 call was bizarre, and nothing more than a clearly self-serving attempt to try to discredit what she had told the police in her 911 call about him. And his version of what happened, that she told him to leave but "went crazy" when he took her at her word and was trying to leave, is rather implausible. Particularly, given what she had been communicating to the reporter for weeks before this incident, but Zimmerman didn't know about any of that. And, Zimmerman's 911 call doesn't explain why he just didn't take his stuff and leave if she was acting so nutsy--he didn't say she was trying to prevent him from leaving--rather than throwing her out of her own home and barricading himself inside--considering he also said he was trying not to cause her "stress". His version of events makes no sense.

Did he point a gun at her? I don't know. I'll have to wait for the evidence to unfold in court. It's not beyond the realm of possibility, he did have a shotgun in the house. So far, she seems more credible than he does, but I'm waiting for the actual court case.

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BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 03:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Really?

What teenagers did they kill?

How many?


You can not get over the fact that a jury found he acted in self defense now can you?

If he killed thirty teenagers in legal self defense it would not matter and if his ex-wife and his girlfriend would had killed thirty teenagers in legal self defense it would not matter as far as they are concern.

Acting in self defense as a jury found Zimmerman did mean that the killing in no way reflected badly on him any more then men who had killed during a war does.
BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank there is a man by the name of Chris Kyle who killed with a rifle 255 men not a small number being teenagers.

If he would have then gotten into some disagreement with his wife would you post how many men did his wife killed as if that matter at all?

Both Mr. Kyle and Mr. Zimmerman have one thing if common they both killed legally one in self defense and one in defense of his nation.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:19 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Really?

What teenagers did they kill?

How many?


You can not get over the fact that a jury found he acted in self defense now can you?

If he killed thirty teenagers in legal self defense it would not matter and if his ex-wife and his girlfriend would had killed thirty teenagers in legal self defense it would not matter as far as they are concern.

Acting in self defense as a jury found Zimmerman did mean that the killing in no way reflected badly on him any more then men who had killed during a war does.


Jeez. Take it easy, Bill.

You wrote:

Quote:
A damn good question and so far all indications are that both of the two women in Zimmerman life are acting in far more of an irrational/emotional manner then him.


Now…Zimmerman stalked and killed a young man who was walking home to watch a basketball game.

Since you seem to think the two women in his life are acting more irrational and emotion than he…if you could tell us who they killed…or who they menaced with firearms.

Apparently you cannot.
BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:31 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Now…Zimmerman stalked and killed a young man who was walking home to watch a basketball game.


LOL that young innocent man attacked Zimmerman and placed Zimmerman life at great risk as a jury found repeat as a jury found.

Next if the young man had not decided to attacked Zimmerman he would had ended up being at home watching that basketball game instead of bleeding out his life on the ground near where he had try to beat Zimmerman brain out.
BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:35 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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if you could tell us who they killed


Completely beside the point just as it would be if you would ask a similar question concerning Chris Kyle and his wife.

Zimmerman acted in both a legal and rational manner in using deadly force against Trayvon as once more a jury found.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:39 pm
@BillRM,
really good commentary here for anyone who wants something other than the bias media script

http://ackbarsays.wordpress.com/tag/trayvon-martin/
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:40 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Now…Zimmerman stalked and killed a young man who was walking home to watch a basketball game.


LOL that young innocent man attacked Zimmerman and placed Zimmerman life at great risk as a jury found repeat as a jury found.

Next if the young man had not decided to attacked Zimmerman he would had ended up being at home watching that basketball game instead of bleeding out his life on the ground near where he had try to beat Zimmerman brain out.



Bill...you do not know that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

But we both know that Zimmerman did stalk Martin...and we also know that Zimmerman did kill Martin.
BillRM
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
Thank Hawkeye as it sum up nicely all the information already posted on this thread many times.

If it was not for all the political nonsense that shortly surround the shooting it would had been an open and shut case of self defense.
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firefly
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:49 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It's Zimmerman who won't go away and leave these women alone, after it's clear they want nothing to do with him.

After his wife filed for divorce, and went back to the home they had shared to remove her property, at a time when he was no longer living there and was not expected to be there, he became angry when he checked the security cameras on the home, via an app on his phone, and thought he saw her taking some things of his things, so he headed over there, provoking an altercation with his father-n-law and frightening both of them by making menacing gestures indicating he might pull out a gun--and his own lawyer verified that he was carrying a gun, which was put in his truck before the police arrived.

Zimmerman provoked that encounter, by angrily going to the house to deliberately confront and threaten his estranged wife, who was trying to avoid having contact with him, instead of just calling his lawyer to ask him how to handle the fact that his wife seemed to be taking his property--which explains why O'Mara was furious at Zimmerman when he arrived at the scene.

And, after Shellie Zimmerman gave an interview, explaining why she stood by him during his trial, she returned home to find a bullethole-ridden target on the wall--not a very subtle message that she'd better shut up and not talk about him, something she has every right to do, because she's also talking about herself, and trying to explain herself, in those interviews.

It's George Zimmerman who won't go away and leave Shellie alone.

And the girlfriend had this allegedly indigent emotional mess living in her house and not wanting to leave. If George had wanted her to leave him alone, all he had to do was pack up and go--and he could have done that when she was out if he wanted to avoid a scene.

So, any assertions that these women are the ones acting irrationally and that they won't go away and leave him in peace, is so absurd it won't pass a laugh test. And no one--including Zimmerman--has accused either of them of threatening anyone with a gun.



Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 4 Dec, 2013 04:51 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

It's Zimmerman who won't go away and leave these women alone, after it's clear they want nothing to do with him.

After his wife filed for divorce, and went back to the home they had shared to remove her property, at a time when he was no longer living there and was not expected to be there, he became angry when he checked the security cameras on the home, via an app on his phone, and thought he saw her taking some things of his things, so he headed over there, provoking an altercation with his father-n-law and frightening both of them by making menacing gestures indicating he might pull out a gun--and his own lawyer verified that he was carrying a gun, which was put in his truck before the police arrived.

Zimmerman provoked that encounter, by angrily going to the house to deliberately confront and threaten his estranged wife, who was trying to avoid having contact with him, instead of just calling his lawyer to ask him how to handle the fact that his wife seemed to be taking his property--which explains why O'Mara was furious at Zimmerman when he arrived at the scene.

And, after Shellie Zimmerman gave an interview, explaining why she stood by him during his trial, she returned home to find a bullethole-ridden target on the wall--not a very subtle message that she'd better shut up and not talk about him, something she has every right to do, because she's also talking about herself, and trying to explain herself, in those interviews.

It's George Zimmerman who won't go away and leave Shellie alone.

And the girlfriend had this allegedly indigent emotional mess living in her house and not wanting to leave. If George had wanted her to leave him alone, all he had to do was pack up and go--and he could have done that when she was out if he wanted to avoid a scene.

So, any assertions that these women are the ones acting irrationally and that they won't go away and leave him in peace, is so absurd it won't pass a laugh test. And no one--including Zimmerman--has accused either of them of threatening anyone with a gun.


I realize that, Firefly.

I'm just trying to get through the concrete in the way of Bill realizing it.
 

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