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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
firefly
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 12:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You know, Zimmerman's girlfriend was wise to begin texting a reporter about the kind of behavior he was displaying three weeks before the incident that led to his arrest. She hoped, if she did eventually give this reporter an actual interview, it would spur Zimmerman to get psychiatric help, which he had been refusing to do, and he had been blowing up at her when she suggested it.

The girlfriend must have been at her wits end when she contacted that reporter. She had Zimmerman, in her house, she couldn't get him to leave, he was volatile and voicing suicidal ideation, and he wouldn't go to see a psychiatrist, and the way he was acting had her afraid of him. And she received no payment for anything she texted to that reporter.

But, by texting that reporter, she established some record of what her life was like with him, and how he was acting, weeks before the incident that led to his arrest.

Nicole Simpson had often told friends she knew O.J. would kill her one day, and that he'd get away with it. For that reason, she placed photos of her battered face, after one of his assaults, in a safety deposit box, to be found in the event he did kill her. She was trying to provide her own documentation of what he was like.

I think Zimmerman's girlfriend might have been trying to do something similar when she began texting that reporter. She was telling her own story, not just to try to get him some help, and herself some help, but to establish her own documentation about what he was like, just as Nicole Simpson tried to do with those photos.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 12:43 pm
@firefly,
Can you source that information? Really appreciate it.
firefly
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Here's some info on what the girlfriend said to the reporter in her text messages.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmermans-girlfriend-speaks-to-local-6/-/1637132/23057000/-/toyvi7z/-/index.html

That article also says that, in the September incident with his estranged wife, the girlfriend witnessed Shellie hitting George over the head with her iphone before he took the phone and destroyed it. But, she's the only one to claim she had seen that, and she was unwilling to give the police a statement at the time. She also made it clear that Zimmerman had shown up at the house unannounced that day, after having visited a gun factory that morning, and he was angry before he even got there, and he did have a gun with him that he did not leave in his truck, something Mark O'Mara also confirmed.

The info about Nicole Simpson's photos, and why she had saved them and stored them away, you should be easily able to find. It was part of the evidence against O.J. that was presented at his trial.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:16 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
She also made it clear that Zimmerman had shown up at the house unannounced that day, after having visited a gun factory that morning, and he was angry before he even got there,
jesus, how about telling the full story...she and george were home and noticed by watching the security camera footage on his phone that shellie was taking some of georges ****, so they drove over to put a stop to it, pissed.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:21 pm
@firefly,
Thanks for the link; it explains a lot about Zimmerman. As for Nicole Simpson, I knew about her pictures with injuries to be kept in the event of her death. Although they seem similar, each person experiences different issues with their boy friend or husband, and many women stay in the relationship even when they are abused. It's an interesting phenomenon that I'll never be able to understand.

Thanks again for sharing all that info.

firefly
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
jesus, how about telling the full story...she and george were home and noticed by watching the security camera footage on his phone that shellie was taking some of georges ****, so they drove over to put a stop to it, pissed

No, they weren't at home. They were on their way back from a gun factory.

Jesus, now you can't even correctly read a news article. You immediately distort what you read. You previously did that with the PD's comments about Zimmerman's mental state as well.
Quote:
Scheibe says she and Zimmerman had spent the morning at Kel Tec, a gun manufacturer in Cocoa. On their way back to the Orlando area, Scheibe says Zimmerman accessed the home surveillance cameras at the Lake Mary home belonging to her mother using an app on his phone. She says he saw Shellie was moving her things out, but she says she also say him moving things that belonged to him.

That's when they drove to the house, and the fight escalated, Scheibe said.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmermans-girlfriend-speaks-to-local-6/-/1637132/23057000/-/toyvi7z/-/index.html


George's mother-in-law has accused him of removing $4000+ worth of her property from her home, and defacing the interior as well. I'm sure that made her feel "pissed" too, but she didn't run over and threaten him with the use of a gun. Anger is understandable, the way Zimmerman expresses it, by threatening people with guns, is neither normal nor tolerable.
BillRM
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
More libeling of the victim[Zimmerman] it would seems.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:37 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
a man who think that Holder is doing his duty by not ending a threat of federal charges even when his own people are telling him that there is no case or who turn his back when even Zimmerman jury members and their children are receiving death threats.

I wonder if Holder can be prosecuted for abuse of power once the Republicans are back in power.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:41 pm
@oralloy,
The republicans back in power? ROFLMAO
They don't have leadership, no message except "no" to everything, and you think they can win elections?

BTW, I'm not a "liberal" either. I don't care for how Obama is "leading" this country. He's a liar, and I hate liars.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
A citizen shud not be criminally liable for "brandishing" if the bad guys flee
before he can line up a shot. Yes ??

Maybe should, but I don't know if that is what the text of the law is going to actually say.

If they added that warning shot provision without giving a lot of thought to what they were doing, they could have created a lot of unintended consequences.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:46 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
You previously did that with the PD's comments about Zimmerman's mental state as well.
i recited that from memory, and the news item was some time ago so I may have miss remembered. the following indicates that maybe I did

Quote:
REPORTER01: "Well, you're saying that you haven't heard anything from him, or nothing leads you to believe – “
MEGARO: "I'm sorry, what was that?"
REPORTER01: “ -- well, you're saying that he doesn't appear to you to do anything suicidal. There has to be some level of concern for you. Is there anything that's being done -- has anything been suggested – ?”
MEGARO: “I can tell you I’ve represented thousands of people, and a lot of them have mental issues in some form or fashion. And part of what we do as defense attorneys is to identify and spot some of those red flags regarding mental situations. My conversation with Mr. Zimmerman, I didn't get the impression that he was suicidal.”
REPORTER02: “[INDECIPHERABLE]?”
MEGARO: "Since he's been arrested? There's been no contact."
REPORTER03: “This is a man who's had quite a few numbers of run-ins since the acquittal in July. The general public census is that this is a loose cannon. Do you think your client is a loose cannon?”
MEGARO: “I definitely would not characterize my client as a loose cannon. He is presumed innocent in these manners, and we're confident he's going to be acquitted. We just ask that it go through the normal channels of the process of the justice system.”
REPORTER04: “[INDECIPHERABLE], with the run-ins. Generally have you been able to have the conversation with him that he really needs to keep his nose clean at this point?”
DOWDY: “Not yet, but I can assure you the message will get across to him.”
REPORTER05: “Have you all had any contact with him before today?”
REPORTER06: “He's like a magnet right now for these kinds of accusations -- what do you think is going on here? Is he having a meltdown of some sort?”
DOWDY: “I think it's too early to say a meltdown, but we'll find out. We’re definitely going to be able to talk to him.”
REPORTER05: “Have you have any contact with him before today at all? Have you met him before today?”
DOWDY: “I met him briefly. I've been mainly representing Robert in the past, so I'm familiar with the family. I have a relationship with Robert, as an attorney-client. I briefly know George, I just don't know him that well enough.”
MEGARO: “The only time I’ve met him, was I worked in the building at the courthouse right other there. His trial took some time coming in the building, out of the building -- I’ve not had a conversation with him personally up until today. He was just arrested recently so

https://grabien.com/file.php?id=11025

i remember reading this, but i am not sure if i also noticed something days later on this subject, after his lawyers had spent more time with him. since I cant document my assertion I take it back, though I am not sure that I was wrong.
firefly
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
many women stay in the relationship even when they are abused. It's an interesting phenomenon that I'll never be able to understand.

Well, in Zimmerman's case, his abuse escalates when women try to end their relationship with him--he's very controlling. His ex-fiancée had to get her restraining order against him when she tried to break up with him, his threatening actions toward his wife increased after she filed for divorce, and the day of the incident with his girlfriend, she had told him to pack and get out.
These woman had all decided they didn't want to stay in a relationship with him any more.

And his pattern of acting abusively, or vindictively, toward women isn't confined to his domestic partners. This is the man who, because he was ticked off at his mother, turned off the electricity in her home, from the electric box in the home, then locked the box and left--leaving his mother without electricity.

That's why I'm curious to see what will happen with Zimmerman and his new female attorney--particularly in a relationship where she's got to be the one in charge and in control. Should be interesting...

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firefly
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
So, what's your excuse for distorting an article you just read?
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 01:52 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

So, what's your excuse for distorting an article you just read?
your distortion was leagues ahead of mine missy....
firefly
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 02:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'm not distorting anything, you just made a fool of yourself, again, by incorrectly comprehending something you just read. Laughing

Seriously, you should be concerned that you're doing that. Short term memory problems, with confabulation to compensate for memory lapse, are one of the first signs of cognitive decline. If that sort of thing keeps happening to you, you should get checked out by a neurologist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 02:14 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
I'm not distorting anything
you left out that George had no intention of showing up till he noticed shellie taking what he considered to be his stuff, and likewise that his anger was justified. I understand that you are trying to weave a storyline about the mans mental state, but that does not excuse your deliberate distortions in the attempt to get there.
firefly
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 02:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
you left out that George had no intention of showing up till he noticed shellie taking what he considered to be his stuff, and likewise that his anger was justified.


I'm not distorting anything--I posted the exact quote from the article.

I said he showed up unannounced--I never said anything about his intentions, because they were irrelevant to his appearing at the house and provoking the incident that followed. And he did show up at that house unannounced, and unexpected, in September, and he showed up angry.

If he hadn't followed Trayvon Martin that night, that incident wouldn't have happened. If he hadn't shown up unannounced, at the Lake Mary house in September, that incident wouldn't have happened. Had Shellie known he was coming, she might well have had her own lawyer with her to help keep things under control. It's Zimmerman who provokes the confrontations he has.

Zimmerman's anger might be justified, I'm not disputing that. But the way he expresses his anger, by threatening people with guns, is neither normal nor tolerable--that's why that sort of thing is illegal.

Why didn't Zimmerman just call O'Mara, tell him Shellie was taking his property, and ask his advice about how to handle it, instead of going over to the house, armed, and provoking that entire incident? O'Mara didn't think Zimmerman had handled things appropriately, that's why he was so angry at him that day.



OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 02:45 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
. . . If he hadn't followed Trayvon Martin that night,
that incident wouldn't have happened. . . .
U continue to repeatedly, redundantly and recidivistically imply that there is
something rong with following people. There is no rule of morality
nor any rule of law nor equity that anyone cannot follow people in public
(unless there is an extant Court Order against following someone, in particular).
If u dispute that, then please cite us to a law or rule to the contrary.

Zimmy was being 1OOO% honorable when he followed martin.
He knew that the police were on their way, because he called them.





David
RABEL222
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 02:46 pm
@firefly,
In Hawks and Oralboys eyes threatening people with guns is completely normal. After all they live in a totally different world from most of us.
firefly
 
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Sun 1 Dec, 2013 02:53 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
He knew that the police were on their way, because he called them.

Which is why Zimmerman shouldn't have followed Martin. He should have left police work to the police.

Look, even Zimmerman's current attorney has called him a "wannabe cop" who should not have been carrying a gun that night.

The entire confrontation, and shooting, would have been avoided that night, had Zimmerman not followed Martin. And that was also the conclusion the police arrived at. The entire incident was avoidable. It was Zimmerman who initiated and provoked it.
 

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