The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@BillRM,

What has that got to do with anything? Police make wrong decisions all the time - as well as Florida's "stand your ground" laws.

His thoughts are unimportant, because they are too stupid to verbalize.

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@cicerone imposter,

Once more as a jury had rule Zimmerman was within his rights to killed Trayvon and Zimmerman was the crime victim here not Trayvon.

An thank god that Zimmerman was carrying as otherwise he would likely to had been killed or greatly harm by that poor innocent child.

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@hawkeye10,

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sometimes, but they were not going to do it either. someone from the PD office went on record with a journalist saying that no one in the office has any reason to believe that zimmerman has mental health issues, either from personal experience with him or from any available records.

You really are trying to talk about an issue that is apparently way over your head, and, with each of your posts, regarding mental health issues and criminal defendents, your ignorance of criminal and court procedures gets more and more glaringly apparent. You're embarrassing yourself, and you're so lacking in knowledge of this issue, you're not even aware of it.

In a criminal case, it is the defense that raises issues of mental illness or mental deficiency, most often as mitigating factors, but they generally don't ever do that at their client's initial appearance before a judge after an arrest. It would come later, much later in the court process, if, after they have had their client evaluated by their own experts, and reviewed the client's past psych history and treatment, they decide to enter a plea of not guilty due to diminished capacity or insanity, or if they don't feel their client is competent to assist in his own defense, or if they decide to introduce psych testimony to present mitigating factors that might affect the length of the sentence after a guilty verdict.

The first appearance before the judge was only to establish that there was evidence/allegations to support the charges, and to advise Zimmerman of his charges, and set bail, establish the conditions of bail, and to make sure he understood all of it. He's not even going to be arraigned until January. You don't understand the steps and procedures that are followed in a criminal case.

And the "someone from the PD's office" who answered a reporter's question after the hearing was one of two of Zimmerman's lawyers at the time, since he had been assisigned two by the PD's office.

And your version of what Zimmerman's lawyer said, was not exactly what he did say--in fact it was far from what he did say...

You claimed this...

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someone from the PD office went on record with a journalist saying that no one in the office has any reason to believe that zimmerman has mental health issues, either from personal experience with him or from any available records.

What he actually did say was...

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After the hearing, Zimmerman's public defenders said he did not appear to be suicidal and expressed confidence he would be acquitted of any wrongdoing.

"He doesn't appear to be a danger to himself or a danger to anybody else," said public defender Daniel Megaro.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/allegation-made-zimmerman-court-20939275

They were referring only to how he initially impressed them, when they met with him briefly before going into court. They had just met Zimmerman, and they didn't have any "available records" regarding possible mental health issues--they wouldn't have had the time to obtain any.

No way did they discount the possibility that Zimmerman does have a mental illness or emotional problems.

And the reporter asked them about their initial impression of Zimmerman's emotional state because this had just come out during the court appearance, suggesting he might have been suicidal and homicidal prior to his arrest..

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The choking accusation was disclosed for the first time by a prosecutor at Zimmerman's first appearance Tuesday before a judge. Zimmerman's girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, feared for her life because Zimmerman mentioned suicide and said he "had nothing to lose," according to Assistant State Attorney Lymary Munoz.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/allegation-made-zimmerman-court-20939275

At Zimmerman's initial court appearance before a judge, the defense hadn't even seen all of the evidence, they really have little more than the police report of the arrest and the claimant's allegations. They haven't begun to think about defense strategy. And, in Zimmerman's current case, unlike the last one, where there was no question he had killed someone, and was pleading self-defense, the strength of the evidence in this case will likely determine the defense strategy. For one thing, the claimant in this case is still alive and she can testify.

So, all his PD lawyer could say at that time was that he was confident Zimmerman would be acquitted--a typical stock answer from a defense attorney.

How Zimmerman's new attorney might handle Zimmerman's emotional problems, if she becomes aware of any in their relationship, remains to be seen. They might become a problem for her if he's not able to control his behavior or follow her instructions for what she wants him to do or not do.

Given the way Zimmerman's been acting since his acquittal, no one in their right mind would say that they don't have "any reason to believe that zimmerman has mental health issues," because he's certainly been acting like he does. But his emotional/psychiatric problems may not figure in his criminal case or his defense strategy--but his lawyer is still a long way from determining strategy. But she may well advise him to go into psychiatric treatment, for his general welfare, and the way he's been acting, even if her legal strategy is not going to involve any psychiatric issues.

I don't know why you keep posting about subjects you really don't understand, like mental illness and the criminal justice system, and bolstering your contentions with articles that aren't relevant, and twisting the truth about what was said to a reporter.

But, I'm glad it finally dawned on you that the Public Defender is the defense, and the state is the prosecution. You really made a fool of yourself by considering the PD "the state" as well--in the criminal justice system, "the state" or "the government" only refers to one side, even if the defense attorney is a PD. Laughing

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George Zimmerman: A man and his guns
By Jonathan Capehart,
November 26, 2013

We all know George Zimmerman, the killer of Trayvon Martin, loves guns. But a search warrant issued by the Seminole County clerk shows just how much. At the time of his arrest last week during a domestic dispute with girlfriend Samantha Scheibe, police found a 12-gauge shotgun, an AR-15 assault rifle and three handguns (a Glock 19, a Taurus 9mm and an Interarms .380-caliber). The warrant also shows Zimmerman had more than 100 rounds of ammunition.

What makes this latest news of gun-nuttery from Zimmerman all the more chilling is that it comes in the wake of the Connecticut State Attorney’s report released yesterday on the Dec. 14 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. Adam Lanza killed six adults and 20 first-graders with a Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S semiautomatic rifle. An Izhmash Saiga-12 semiautomatic shotgun was found in his car in the school parking lot. A Sig Sauer P226, 9 mm, semiautomatic pistol was found on his person. Lanza took his own life with a Glock. “The total weight of the guns and ammunition from the shooter at SHES was 30.47 lbs,” the state revealed. Lanza’s arsenal was bought by the mother he killed in her bed with a Savage Mark II, .22 cal. long rifle.

During her 911 call, Scheibe told the dispatcher that Zimmerman pointed a shotgun at her. He denied pointing a gun at her during his odd counter-call to 911. The he-said, she-said set-up is classic Zimmerman, as are his numerous and escalating run-ins with law enforcement since his July acquittal on second-degree murder charges.

Zimmerman’s behavior is as tiresome as it is worrisome. Shellie Zimmerman told Katie Couric that she believes her soon-to-be-ex-husband has “unraveled” since the trial. When the talk show host asked what she thought would happen to George, Shellie’s uncertain answer should run your blood cold.

I certainly hope that there are no casualties. I hope that there’s no violence. But he does seem like a ticking time bomb. I know I’m certainly afraid. I just hope that he can get maybe the help that he needs to deal with his situation and that no one else will be hurt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/11/26/george-zimmerman-a-man-and-his-guns/?tid=hpModule_6c539b02-b270-11e2-bbf2-a6f9e9d79e19

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@firefly,

It's obvious to most that hawk has no knowledge about most things even though he likes to think he does. He's been proven wrong so often, I wonder what kind of mind-set somebody like hawk has to be challenged so often and proven wrong, but he keeps coming back for more.

Mental illness, perhaps?

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@cicerone imposter,

The following is worth repeating for Bill and hawk.

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Zimmerman’s behavior is as tiresome as it is worrisome. Shellie Zimmerman told Katie Couric that she believes her soon-to-be-ex-husband has “unraveled” since the trial. When the talk show host asked what she thought would happen to George, Shellie’s uncertain answer should run your blood cold.

I certainly hope that there are no casualties. I hope that there’s no violence. But he does seem like a ticking time bomb. I know I’m certainly afraid. I just hope that he can get maybe the help that he needs to deal with his situation and that no one else will be hurt.

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@BillRM,

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CREDIT: REUTERS/GARY W. GREEN/POOL
(Reuters) - Police in the Florida city where George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin have backed off a plan to explicitly ban neighborhood watch volunteers from carrying guns while on duty.

Even if that rule had been in place when Trayvon violently assaulted Mr. Zimmerman, it would not have made any difference.

Mr. Zimmerman was not on watch duty when he spotted Trayvon casing houses. He was on his way to Target to do some shopping.

I don't believe anyone has ever proposed requiring neighborhood watch volunteers to forgo being armed even when off duty.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

The following is worth repeating for Bill and hawk.

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Zimmerman’s behavior is as tiresome as it is worrisome. Shellie Zimmerman told Katie Couric that she believes her soon-to-be-ex-husband has “unraveled” since the trial. When the talk show host asked what she thought would happen to George, Shellie’s uncertain answer should run your blood cold.

I certainly hope that there are no casualties. I hope that there’s no violence. But he does seem like a ticking time bomb. I know I’m certainly afraid. I just hope that he can get maybe the help that he needs to deal with his situation and that no one else will be hurt.

painting george as a monster is the primary building block of trying to make a new career for herself as a victim culture advocate (she was allegedly his victim, so she makes the claim that she has victim culture cred) . I take anything she says with a pound of salt

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@hawkeye10,

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and others who indicated that the stand-your-ground statute makes blacks in the state subject to fear that they could be shot by anyone—for example, an overly aggressive neighborhood vigilante like Zimmerman or an irritated driver like Dunn or anyone who thinks that blacks pose some sort of physical threat to them.

This passes for news over at NBC?

Mr. Zimmerman is neither overly aggressive nor a vigilante.

And anyone who isn't in the process of beating him to death is unlikely to ever be shot by him.

(I've no idea who that Dunn person is that the article refers to.)

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The panel approved the expansion of the ''stand your ground'' immunity to people who fire a warning shot.

Interesting. I wonder how well they thought it out though.

What about brandishing your gun? Is that allowed now too?

Or are there going to be situations where people committed a crime by brandishing their gun, but they would have been OK if they had only fired their gun while brandishing it?

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@oralloy,

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and others who indicated that the stand-your-ground statute makes blacks in the state subject to fear that they could be shot by anyone—for example, an overly aggressive neighborhood vigilante like Zimmerman or an irritated driver like Dunn or anyone who thinks that blacks pose some sort of physical threat to them.

This passes for news over at NBC?

Mr. Zimmerman is neither overly aggressive nor a vigilante.

And anyone who isn't in the process of beating him to death is unlikely to ever be shot by him.

(I've no idea who that Dunn person is that the article refers to.)

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The panel approved the expansion of the ''stand your ground'' immunity to people who fire a warning shot.

oralloy wrote:

Interesting. I wonder how well they thought it out though.

What about brandishing your gun? Is that allowed now too?

Or are there going to be situations where people committed a crime by brandishing their gun,
but they would have been OK if they had only fired their gun while brandishing it?

A citizen shud not be criminally liable for "brandishing" if the bad guys flee
before he can line up a shot. Yes ??

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@cicerone imposter,

First we are dealing with an ex-wife or soon to be ex-wife where he was the one who pull the plug on the marriage so what she is saying is kind of worthless.

Next the man is only 29 or so and had been a crime victim and then a victim of the news media who was willing to do anything to turn him into the most hated man in the nation including editing the 911 tape and finding words in the 911 tapes that did not exist.

Then he needed to face a political trial with the damn President of the US jumping in on the side of his attacker.

An of course just for ice cream on top the US attorney general is still holding out the chance he would be charge on the federal level.

So all in all he seems to be holding up very well indeed as even being double his age I might at this point had have at least one nerve breakdown.

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@BillRM,

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First we are dealing with an ex-wife or soon to be ex-wife where he was the one who pull the plug on the marriage so what she is saying is kind of worthless.

Another one of your asinine assumptions. How do "you" know? Were you there to witness their relationship? Why do you always give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt? Are you so insecure in your own life?

What follows are just more bull shyt that only you have imagined - without any evidence. The media coverage that Zimmerman received was based on his own actions. No killing, no media. Very simple.

"Ice cream?" Boy, are you one confused dude. The US Attorney General has the responsibility to ensure that all citizens have their legal rights protected - over what happens at the state level.

"He's hold up very well" in your world of imagination. He's actually a "time bomb" waiting to explode again.

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@cicerone imposter,

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How do "you" know? Were you there to witness their relationship?

Shaking my head as he move into a relationship at once with an old girlfriend and that is not the actions of someone being force out of a marriage. But believe what you wish to believe it does not matter.

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he US Attorney General has the responsibility to ensure that all citizens have their legal rights protected - over what happens at the state level

LOL after months on months of an army of FBI agents that could not find one racial bone in the man body and where experts in and out of the DOJ stating that there was little or no ground to bring any civil right charges the asshole is still trying to please the Sharptons of the world that there might be a case!!!!!!

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"He's hold up very well" in your world of imagination. He's actually a "time bomb" waiting to explode again.

I am happy to hear that you are an expert on the possible future actions of a victim of a criminal act and then a witch hunt.

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@BillRM,

Me, "He's hold up very well" in your world of imagination. He's actually a "time bomb" waiting to explode again.

You,

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I am happy to hear that you are an expert on the possible future actions of a victim of a criminal act and a witch hunt.

I'm not an expert; just repeating what his ex-girlfriend said; someone who intimately knows Zimmerman.

What you say has no basis in fact or evidence; it's all made up bull shyt in your own calcified brain.

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@cicerone imposter,

C.I., you know why BillRM has to promote the idea that whatever ex-wives say is "worthless", don't you? Because his ex-wife obtained a restraining order against him for domestic violence, and he wouldn't want anyone to believe her.

In fact, Zimmerman's wife was the one who ended the marriage. She had walked out on him the day before he killed Martin, and went back with him only because he needed her after that--he pulled her back into the relationship that night, while he was still in the police station--and she stood by him, and even took a perjury rap because of him, because that was what she felt a loyal wife should do. But, when he disappeared immediately after his acquittal, leaving her to face her perjury charge alone, that betrayal was the last straw and she filed for divorce. It was Shellie who dumped George.

Shellie Zimmerman hasn't been giving interviews for the purpose of bad-mouthing George--she really doesn't seem vindictive at all. The marriage had been disintegrating for some time before her husband killed Martin, and she had walked out on him, the day before the homicide, after he had publicly humiliated her when they were out and she told him she felt ill. She was not willing to continue to put up with his mistreatment and she left him. Although she said he was verbally abusive to her, she points out he was never physically abusive, and she never felt fearful of him until they went into hiding before the trial. That's when she began to see a change in him that frightened her.

And her concerns about what he might do next, and his potential for violence, are exactly the same sentiments expressed by the Lake Mary Chief of Police, and even by commentators at Fox News. Even Mark O'Mara is concerned about the changes in Zimmerman's behavior he has seen, and he's said he hopes George gets counseling.

BillRM just doesn't care about George Zimmerman, and he doesn't seem to care about the fact that the man has been threatening others with guns, and the nature of the threats has been escalating, finally culminating in his arrest. George Zimmerman isn't being victimized, he's been quite actively victimizing others since his acquittal. What's "worthless" is anything BillRM has to say about Zimmerman, most of which completely disregards how that man has been acting for the past few months.

Zimmerman's emotional problems were evident long before he killed Trayvon Martin, and, since that time, they have only become more evident, and more disturbing, to others. Maybe he needed to get arrested again, maybe this is what he wanted to happen.

I think it's interesting that, for his current lawyer, he chose someone who publicly called him a "wannabe cop", and who did not think he should have been carrying a gun the night he killed Martin--she doesn't think anyone should have guns. And, while I think a female attorney is a good choice for his current case, this man has marked difficulty in his relationships with women. So, I think that what unfolds with his newest legal case should be interesting...

And, if you're tired of listening to BilllRM's bullshit, stop encouraging him to post more of it. He'll go on, mindlessly repeating the same crap, until Hell freezes over.

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@cicerone imposter,

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he US Attorney General has the responsibility to ensure that all citizens have their legal rights protected

An for some strange reason Holder could not be concern over all the deaths threats using interstate commerce not only against Zimmerman and his family and his lawyers but even against the jury members and their children!!!!!!!!

Yes he is surely responsible for enforcing federal laws and he surely in this case is not doing so.

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@cicerone imposter,

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just repeating what his ex-girlfriend said

You mean the girlfriend that was shopping around a tell all book for $$$$$ even before they broke up that girlfriend?

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@BillRM,

You have a mental problem. You are now on my Ignore list.

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@cicerone imposter,

Oh my I am on your ignore list now I can understand how Zimmerman feel in small part.

How can I go on living with being ignore by you a man who think that Holder is doing his duty by not ending a threat of federal charges even when his own people are telling him that there is no case or who turn his back when even Zimmerman jury members and their children are receiving death threats.

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@firefly,

You're complete right on the issues, and I've put Bill on Ignore. He's a waste of time like so many on a2k.

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