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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 06:02 pm
You know my bet is that the local prosecutors would not had been overrule if Zimmerman had put a knife into Trayvon heart instead of a bullet.

Poor Zimmerman got catch in a perfect storm and one of the drivers of that storm is the anti guns groups.

It sad that the people who cry about poor Trayvon did not care about him or his like before he got shot by a non-black defending himself.

One third of all adult black males in the state of Florida have felony convictions and the homicide rate among black males are over the top but we only care if a mixed race Latin used a firearm to defend himself against a black attacker.

We live in a sick society but it not the Zimmermans of the world that is the problem but people like CI and firefly.

In fact Zimmerman beside helping his neighbors by patrolling but even took his time to mentor fatherless black males and mount a campaign to get justice for a homeland black man.

One wonder what the hell CI or Firefly had done compare to this suppose racist/killer.
spendius
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 06:11 pm
@firefly,
You know ff--I find it difficult to believe that a sweet, innocent lady such as yourself can post such an image.
BillRM
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 06:18 pm
@spendius,
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that a sweet, innocent lady such as yourself


What kind of drugs are they turning out in merry old English as I am fairly sure the US have no drugs that could short circuit someone brain to the point they could post the above statement.
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firefly
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 06:25 pm
@spendius,
Since words don't seem to penetrate BillRM's likely quite atrophied brain, I think images provide a better alternative than a written response.

And I think the image I've been posting, in particular, captures the real BillRM. Smile

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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 07:29 pm
@BillRM,
I'm not anti-gun; I'm in full support of our Constitution that allows citizens to own guns.

"Poor Trayvon" is dead. Non-blacks get shot all the time. Those are simple facts of life. Newtown is a very good example.

What blacks to do other blacks isn't the issue being discussed. It's about people who love guns more than life.

CI and firefly only present opinions that are based on FACTS, EVIDENCE, and common sense. Try to refute anything we post other than your hair-brained ideas. Try reliable sources that has some credibility.

As a neighborhood watch member, he wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun, and to report any suspicious activity to the police; PERIOD.

Prove by any of my post I've made on a2k where you can prove I'm a racist?

YOU CAN'T. You're a ******* loser who makes assumptions without any credible facts or resource. You can wonder all you want; it only proves you're brain dead when it comes to lives of people lost based on guns.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 07:30 pm
@firefly,
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It's the defense that raises issues regarding mental illness or mental deficiency
sometimes, but they were not going to do it either. someone from the PD office went on record with a journalist saying that no one in the office has any reason to believe that zimmerman has mental health issues, either from personal experience with him or from any available records.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 07:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
You,
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someone from the PD office went on record with a journalist saying that no one in the office has any reason to believe that zimmerman has mental health issues, either from personal experience with him or from any available records.


Someone? Christ sakes, one person's opinion about the mental stability of Zimmerman is of no comfort to the parents of Trayvon Martin or his ex-girlfriends - or his defense attorney.

hawk, Why do you insist on making yourself look more stupid with almost every post?
korkamann
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 08:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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hawkeye wrote:
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someone from the PD office went on record with a journalist saying that no one in the office has any reason to believe that zimmerman has mental health issues, either from personal experience with him or from any available records.



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cicerone imposter wrote:

Someone? Christ sakes, one person's opinion about the mental stability of Zimmerman is of no comfort to the parents of Trayvon Martin or his ex-girlfriends - or his defense attorney.


Were the people in the Police Department specialists in mental disorders? Did a bona fide member of Psychiatry specializing in the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness evaluate George Zimmerman? If not, on whose authority did they ascertain the mental fitness of this gun-wielding murderer?

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hawk, Why do you insist on making yourself look more stupid with almost every post?


Ah shucks,Ci, Hawk can't help it....his particular case is genetic.
BillRM
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 08:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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comfort to the parents of Trayvon Martin or his ex-girlfriends - or his defense attorney.


Cute however why should Zimmerman be greatly concern over the parents feelings of the gentleman who try to killed him just to start with?
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BillRM
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 08:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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It's about people who love guns more than life.


????? So let me get this straight people such as regular target shooters up to people who spend years getting good enough to be Olympics shooters are in some way mentally unstable in loving guns "more the life itself"

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As a neighborhood watch member, he wasn't supposed to be carrying a gun, .


Suppose to not carry a gun? You do know that he have a right to carry a gun on the public streets crime watch member or no crime watch member and the crime watch Zimmerman belong to being sponsor by the local police department put our a statement/manual after the shooting that crime watch members should not carry on duty and they then needed to retracted repeat retracted that statement so once more there was another untruth about carrying or not carrying a gun.

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and to report any suspicious activity to the police; PERIOD
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Another of your falsehoods as that just what Zimmerman did and he is not responsible for Trayvon doubling back and attacking him.

BillRM
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 08:50 pm
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TALLAHASSEE, Fla., Nov 7 (Reuters) - An effort to repeal a Florida law allowing people to use deadly force if they reasonably fear for their safety failed on Thursday, reigniting a controversy over how the law figured in the Trayvon Martin murder trial.

The statute, known as Stand Your Ground, figured prominently in the highly publicized case. Police in Sanford, Florida, citing the law, initially declined to arrest neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman after he shot Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old who was on his way back from a convenience store.
oralloy
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 08:56 pm
@korkamann,
korkamann wrote:
Did a bona fide member of Psychiatry specializing in the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness evaluate George Zimmerman? If not, on whose authority did they ascertain the mental fitness of this gun-wielding murderer?

Liberals refer to self-defense as murder because they hate the Constitution.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 09:09 pm
@BillRM,
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TALLAHASSEE, Fla., Nov 7 (Reuters) - An effort to repeal a Florida law allowing people to use deadly force if they reasonably fear for their safety failed on Thursday,

That's nice to hear. But why was there an effort to repeal it in the first place?


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reigniting a controversy over how the law figured in the Trayvon Martin murder trial.
The statute, known as Stand Your Ground, figured prominently in the highly publicized case. Police in Sanford, Florida, citing the law, initially declined to arrest neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman after he shot Martin,

As I recall, the Stand Your Ground law had nothing to do with the case whatsoever.

And further, I'm unsure if the police declined to arrest Mr. Zimmerman. As I recall, he was taken in for questioning after the event in handcuffs in the back of a police car.

It is true though that Mr. Zimmerman was not charged right away. The county was in the process of convening a grand jury to decide whether he should be charged when the state government suddenly jumped in and seized control of the process.
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 09:20 pm
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The panel approved the expansion of the ''stand your ground'' immunity to people who fire a warning shot.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/07/21353112-florida-panel-rejects-bill-to-repeal-stand-your-ground

well hell, this high level review of florida's stand your ground law sure backfired on those who pushed for it......probably not a tactic that they will want to push in other states.

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repeal Florida’s stand your ground statute was defeated in an 11-2 vote by the Florida House Criminal Justice Subcommittee. Writing for the Florida News Service, Margie Menzel quotes Florida state representative Jimmie Smith (R-Inverness) to say, “We stand and defend what is ours…‘Stand your ground’ is core to our American way of life.”

The Florida committee heard lengthy testimony, according to Menzel, evenly divided for and against the repeal legislation. Menzel cited Phillip Agnew of the Dream Defenders, who the NPQ Newswire has cited for his role in the fiftieth anniversary of the March on Washington and other events, and others who indicated that the stand-your-ground statute makes blacks in the state subject to fear that they could be shot by anyone—for example, an overly aggressive neighborhood vigilante like Zimmerman or an irritated driver like Dunn or anyone who thinks that blacks pose some sort of physical threat to them.

The sponsor of the repeal bill, Alan Williams, a Democratic member of the lower house from Tallahassee, was able to garner no support from other Democratic state legislators as cosponsors. Only two members of the committee, representatives Randolph Bracy (D-Orlando) and Kionne McGhee (D-Miami), both black men, voted for the repeal legislation. The opposition to the repeal legislation was loud, vocal, and bipartisan. The support for the bill was male and black. The racial divide around stand-your-ground laws is becoming more overt all the time.

http://www.nonprofitquarterly.org/policysocial-context/23229-stand-your-ground-repeal-fails-in-florida.html

Not. Even. Close.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 09:24 pm
@BillRM,
No, you can't even understand the tenor of my post; you continue to advocate for gun owners over the lives of others. In this particular case, Zimmerman, the shooter.

If Zimmerman had no gun, the outcome would have been completely different; both would more than likely be alive.

cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 09:28 pm
@BillRM,
Why would I want to remove all the guns? I've already stated that I support the Constitution that allows citizens to own guns. You really are stupid!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 09:34 pm
@BillRM,
From a neighborhood watch organization.
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With guidance from a law enforcement agency, the Watch trains its members in home security techniques, observation skills, and crime reporting. Residents also learn about the types of crime that affect the area.

Organizers and block captains must emphasize that Watch groups are not vigilantes and do not assume the role of the police. They only ask neighbors to be alert, observant, and caring-and to report suspicious activity or crimes immediately to the police.

The Watch concept is adaptable. There are Park Watches, Apartment Watches, Window Watches, Boat Watches, School Watches, Realtor Watches, Utility Watches, and Business Watches. A Watch can be organized around any geographic unit.



You,
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Another of your falsehoods as that just what Zimmerman did and he is not responsible for Trayvon doubling back and attacking him.


No such thing; once he reported it to the police, he should have let the police handle the incident.

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Watch groups are not vigilantes and do not assume the role of the police.


He acted like a wanna be cop, and his judgement as a neighborhood watch responsibilities ended when he called the police.

Your brain is missing a bolt or two! Mr. Green
BillRM
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 10:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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you continue to advocate for gun owners over the lives of others. In this particular case, Zimmerman, the shooter.


As in the crime victim who dare to used a firearm to save his life?
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BillRM
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 11:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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No such thing; once he reported it to the police, he should have let the police handle the incident.


You mean he should had allow Trayvon to beat him to death?
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BillRM
 
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Sat 30 Nov, 2013 11:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The below story is for you CI!!!!!!!!!!!

Now once more no matter what rules are in affect or not in affect as far as a crime watch programs a citizen with a CC license have the legal right to carry a firearm and to follow anyone on the public streets.

Next that same damn citizen have the legal and the moral right to defend his life if attack.

The only person who bare any blame for Trayvon death is Trayvon.


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CREDIT: REUTERS/GARY W. GREEN/POOL
(Reuters) - Police in the Florida city where George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin have backed off a plan to explicitly ban neighborhood watch volunteers from carrying guns while on duty.

Earlier this month, police in Sanford, Florida, announced new rules on how civilian patrols can operate in an attempt to revive the program's reputation.

Sanford was thrust in the national spotlight last year when Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch captain, gunned down Martin, an unarmed black teenager. Prosecutors accused Zimmerman of chasing down and killing Martin, but a jury acquitted him in July of murder.

Sanford Police Chief Cecil Smith, in a phone interview on Wednesday, refused repeated requests to explain the reversal.

"That was the choice of the chief. That was my decision," Smith said. "What my thought is is unimportant."
 

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