They do have their work cut out for them. This case is difficult because the facts seem to be ambiguous,” said Montre Carodine, a professor at the University of Alabama Law School and a scholar of race relations. The prosecution is “having a hard time making their case. But there’s still a ways to go, and you never know what a jury is thinking.”
As the case moves forward, a key factor will be whether the all-female jury relies heavily on emotion, Ms. Carodine said.
“If you can get jurors to connect with Trayvon Martin’s mother, they do have a chance of getting a conviction,” she said. “I think that’s what it’s going to come down to — who [the jury] is able to connect with.”
That doesn't give Zimmerman any rights to suspect anyone
of a crime who walks on any street.
hawkeye10 wrote:
i am aware of this new idea that the state has the authority to police and "correct" our thoughts,
but you sir take this nuttiness to a whole new level.
C. I. tells us now that a citizen has NO RIGHT to SUSPECT ?
C. I. tells us now that a citizen has NO RIGHT to SUSPECT ?
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OmSigDAVID
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
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They do have their work cut out for them. This case is difficult because the facts seem to be ambiguous,” said Montre Carodine, a professor at the University of Alabama Law School and a scholar of race relations. The prosecution is “having a hard time making their case. But there’s still a ways to go, and you never know what a jury is thinking.”
As the case moves forward, a key factor will be whether the all-female jury relies heavily on emotion, Ms. Carodine said.
“If you can get jurors to connect with Trayvon Martin’s mother, they do have a chance of getting a conviction,” she said. “I think that’s what it’s going to come down to — who [the jury] is able to connect with.”
You can suspect anybody you wish, but you cannot take action on suspicion alone. You too are pretty stupid! You can quote me on this one!
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hawkeye10
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:39 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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IF the jury convicts based on emotions instead of analytical reasoning,
then that is a lot like a hysterical lynching
yet this is very often what the law has degenerated into. it started with sex, Pedophilia, porn and drug cases but the cancer is spreading rapidly.
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firefly
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
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not the law though, because the law does not even authorize this trial.
So now you think this is an unlawful trial?
The law did authorize this trial with an indictment. The trial has proceeded in a lawful manner. Evidence has been presented to support the charges. Evidence has been presented to cast doubt on Zimmerman's credibility. The state is not "abusing" Zimmerman, as much as you'd like to believe that.
You're blowing smoke and not dealing with the facts. And you give no indication of having even watched this trial.
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OmSigDAVID
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 03:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Oh, so now, the state is the abuser? LOL You are stupid! VERY STUPID.
There he goes AGAIN !
C. I. is indefatigable in his endless quest
to vilify the intelligence of all members of this forum,
unless thay agree with C. I.! Enuf is enuf, C. I.
cicerone imposter wrote:
You are now on my Ignore list.
Wud that I were so honored.
cicerone imposter wrote:
Intelligent discussions is impossible with your fixed ideas about our justice system.
I guess now he claims that we have a duty
to change our opinions concerning "our justice system" to conform with his !
There he goes AGAIN !
C. I. is indefatigable in his endless quest
to vilify the intelligence of all members of this forum,
unless thay agree with C. I.! Enuf is enuf, C. I.
OmSigDavid:
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Its hard to believe that anyone opts
to engage in conversation with so caustic n toxic a mind as JTT.
as a resident he had every right to confront any suspicious person in the area under the motive of public safety
?
Why was Trayvon Martin suspicious? What was he doing that made so suspicious other than walking home in the dark and the rain with a hoodie on?
According to the author of the 2005 self defense law in Florida, Zimmerman is not convered because he confronted Trayvon Martin.
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Dennis Baxley, a Republican state representative and co-author of the 2005 self-defense law, said Zimmerman negated his ability to claim immunity under the law by chasing Martin.
"This law is for innocent, law-abiding citizens who are under attack by a perpetrator," Baxley told The Huffington Post. "Anyone who is out pursuing and confronting people is not protected by this statute."
"I think they need to go back and read the statute," Baxley said, referring to the Sanford Police Department.
Former Republican State Sen. Durell Peadon, another co-author of the law, said Zimmerman "has no protection under my law."
"They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid," Peadon told the Miami Herald on Tuesday.
Gun rights advocates also question the decision not to charge Zimmerman.
"I don't see why he hasn't been arrested," said Sean Caranna, executive director of Florida Carry, a gun rights group.
Zimmerman had no right to follow and confront Martin in the first place, Caranna noted.
"Being the neighborhood watch guy doesn't give you carte blanche to stop and question every guy you see walking down the street," Caranna said.
Of course others disagreed with the law, saying it gives "citizens unfettered power and discretion with no accountability. It is a recipe for disaster."
Considering all the stuff that has come to light, I'd say that Zimmerman, if he considers himself a patriot, should cop a plea to save Florida, and possibly quite a few other states, and the US from some mighty, mighty big pain.
Florida sure has reopened ole Pandora's box, hasn't it? Is there a good resolution to this debacle? I sure hope so, though I doubt there are many who believe me.
given the percentage of young black men in our jails today because they have been found to be criminals this is a very valid reason. there are many more reasons martin should have caused concern for a good citizen as well.
They believe gun rights supersedes logic, common sense, and the laws of citizenship.
If this was limited to those two, CI, there would be zero problems.
But I loved how you were able to work in that dig.
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hawkeye10
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Thu 4 Jul, 2013 04:17 pm
@JTT,
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Is there a good resolution to this debacle
the judge could stop the trial after the prosecution rests and apologize to zimmerman on behalf of the state, but this will not make zimmerman whole. a suit against the state with maybe $10 million in damages would about right the wrong that has been done.
