The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@hawkeye10,

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Zimmerman had no right to harass and frighten this kid by stalking and confronting him,

hawkeye10 wrote:

as a resident he had every right to confront any suspicious person in the area under the motive of public safety, whether the 911 operator wanted him to or not. she only spoke for herself, she is not authorized to speak for the police...something that zimmerman likely knew.

That telephone operator testified to
only offering "SUGGESTIONS" not commands,
to avoid legal liability, he said.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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to avoid legal liability, he said.

though in point of fact to avoid having minimally trained data entry clerks mucking up police work......

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@OmSigDAVID,

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as a resident he had every right to confront any suspicious person in the area under the motive of public safety, whether the 911 operator wanted him to or not.

He had no responsibilities to do same. Besides it was a totally stupid act that he was untrained to hndle(As the outcome clearlytestifies)

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@hawkeye10,

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as a resident he had every right to confront any suspicious person in the area under the motive of public safety, whether the 911 operator wanted him to or not. she only spoke for herself, she is not authorized to speak for the police

Police dispatchers do speak for the police department. When the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher was speaking for the police. They didn't need further help from him, they didn't want further help from him. His phone call to the police ended any legitimate duties he had as a neighborhood watch volunteer.

Martin wasn't even trespassing, he was a guest in that complex. He had a perfect right to be walking around without being stalked, or confronted, or menaced, by Zimmerman. He had gone to the store, and he was returning from the store with his purchases. And all he was doing was walking around, talking on his cell phone, and trying to dodge the rain, as he made his way back to the residence where he was staying.

The craziness of needing to follow this kid, and making sure he didn't get away, was all in Zimmerman's head. His mind-set is a component of the second degree murder charge against him.

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@hawkeye10,

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though in point of fact to avoid having minimally trained data entry clerks

In most cities, 911 dispatchers are trained police with knowledge of things like "chain of custody" and "procedures". THey aren't simple entry clerks because a lawyer would cut em a new asshole for violations of procedures

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@hawkeye10,

"Suspicious person" is only in Zimmerman's imagination; it's not a fact. That doesn't give Zimmerman any rights to suspect anyone of a crime who walks on any street.

He's not the police, and Martin had EVERY RIGHT to be in that neighborhood. That was his Constitutionally protected right not to be harassed in any way.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Don't be stupid!@ but I repeat myself.

U sure do. Endlessly, over and over, obsessively redundantly (compulsively??)
hammering away at EVERY contributor (unless he agrees with your liberalism)
repeating allegations of: 1. Ignorance (implying that C. I. is not ignorant)
and
2. stupidity, concerning ALL of the threads on A2K,
regardless of their subject matter, when no one has requested
this off-topic information. Its gross. Its rude.

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@cicerone imposter,

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and Martin had EVERY RIGHT to be in that neighborhood.

I cant wait for the state to get around to attempting to prove that zimmerman attempted to throw martin out of the neighborhood...this will be a stunning new claim!

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That was his Constitutionally protected right not to be harassed in any way.

but you cant come up with the words in law to back up your claim, which makes your claim your fantasy.

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@hawkeye10,

You ******* idiot! Zimmerman didn't try to chase Martin out of the neighborhood. That's only something you dreamed up in your twisted brain.

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@hawkeye10,

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but you cant come up with the words in law to back up your claim

Try second degree murder. Or manslaughter.

Those are the words that back up the claim that Zimmerman's actions were wrong. That's why he is on trial.

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@cicerone imposter,

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That doesn't give Zimmerman any rights to suspect anyone of a crime who walks on any street.

i am aware of this new idea that the state has the authority to police and "correct" our thoughts, but you sir take this nuttiness to a whole new level.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Zimmerman didn't try to chase Martin out of the neighborhood

so then you agree that zimmerman did not interfere with martins right to be in the neighborhood....I swear that you must be getting senile.

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@firefly,

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That's why he is on trial.

he is on trial because he is being abused by the state, which is attempting to get a conviction based upon emotional appeal rather than the law.

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@hawkeye10,

You just know how to twist ideas into your own imagined straw man arguments. Quit while you are behind; nobody here is agreeing with you except one or two who are bigots like you!

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big·ot [ bíggət ]
intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views.

The trial is what is important, and you seem to ignore every bit of evidence that has been presented to your own twisted idea of what is legal in this case.

You have strong opinions, but it's not backed up by the evidence of the trial.

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@hawkeye10,

Oh, so now, the state is the abuser? LOL You are stupid! VERY STUPID.

You are now on my Ignore list. Intelligent discussions is impossible with your fixed ideas about our justice system.

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@hawkeye10,

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he is on trail because he is being abused by the state, which is attempting to get a conviction based upon emotional appeal rather than the law.

You think everyone is abused by the state all the time. Laughing

Now, even being given a fair trial, is a form of abuse according to you. Laughing

He's on trial because he killed someone. And there are significant questions about his claim that that homicide was a legally justified act of self defense on his part.

And the state has presented evidence to support their charges and to show problems with his credibility.

It is up to the jury to determine the facts of the case and to render their verdict.

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@firefly,

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Now, even being given a fair trial, is a form of abuse according to you.

so if you are arrested in 3 minutes for murder you will not have been abused by the state if you get a fair trial? and this case zimmerman is not even getting a fair trial as Florida is attempting to get a conviction grounded in emotion rather than the law, so your theory fails at two points.

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@hawkeye10,

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Florida is attempting to get a conviction grounded in emotion rather than the law...

Not in the trial I'm watching--they have built a case for second degree murder, and an even stronger one for manslaughter--based on evidence of the elements of those crimes in Zimmerman's actions. They have also revealed--through the evidence--significant problems with his credibility.

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@cicerone imposter,

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You just know how to twist ideas into your own imagined straw man arguments. Quit while you are behind; nobody here is agreeing with you except one or two who are bigots like you!

being right or wrong is not measured in votes, and the state has no authority over my mind, so as per usual you spout nonsense.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Oh, so now, the state is the abuser? LOL You are stupid! VERY STUPID.

You are now on my Ignore list. Intelligent discussions is impossible with your fixed ideas about our justice system.

I well know how poorly you deal with being proven to be wrong.

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