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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
BillRM
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 03:22 pm
I am still shaking my head at headlines calling Zimmerman five firearms and a 100 rounds of ammo as either a Arsenal or a Stockpile!!!!!!

Been in more then one home with a gun racks containing dozens of high power rifles and other firearms that might be label an arsenal but I never consider in my wildest dream that 2 shotguns, 6 handguns in my wife and mine home with at least a few hundreds rounds to over a thousand rounds depending on where we are in our replacement target shooting cycle as a weapon stockpile or arsenal. Footnote not counting 22 rounds as they are dirt cheap and we both burn them up in great numbers at the range so we might have a few thousands of the that cal in the household at any one time.

The new media once more is going out of their way in trying to paint a false picture of Zimmerman as off hand I would bet that there are tens of millions of law abiding and non violence households in the US with far more firearms then in Zimmerman household.
firefly
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 03:37 pm
@BillRM,
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I am still shaking my head at headlines calling Zimmerman five firearms and a 100 rounds of ammo as either a Arsenal or a Stockpile!!!!!!

That's because, you are so deeply immersed in the gun culture, a stockpile of weapons strikes you as normal.
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The new media once more is going out of their way in trying to paint a false picture of Zimmerman as off hand I would bet that there are tens of millions of law abiding and non violence households in the US with far more firearms then in Zimmerman household.

Do all those alleged abundantly armed households contain someone who committed a homicide, and was tried for murder, and received a highly controversial verdict of acquittal? And, after that acquittal, still continued to display a pattern of threatening and intimidating and terrorizing people with threats of possible gun use, in situations that had nothing to do with alleged self-defense on his part?

Do all those households contain someone that a Chief of Police considers "a ticking time bomb", or "another Aurora or Sandy Hook waiting to happen"?

There is real concern in the case of Zimmerman because of the way he has been acting since his acquittal.

By no stretch can Zimmerman be described as "non-violent". He has a past history of a restraining order against him for domestic violence, as well as an arrest for assaulting a law enforcement office, for which he was court-ordered to take anger management classes. And, in September, prior to his current domestic incident and arrest, the police were called because he got into a physical altercation with his father-in-law, and he was making menacing gestures about using a gun toward his estranged wife and her father. And now he's been arrested again on allegations he again threatened someone with a gun.

Zimmerman's been painting his own picture of himself, the news media has just been reporting it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 03:42 pm
@firefly,
Bill, an otherwise pretty smart fella, seems to be lost in the gun culture. He ignores violence by guns and gun owners. His emotions has taken over his brain on this one!

From Wiki.
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Gun-related violence is most common in poor urban areas and frequently associated with gang violence, often involving male juveniles or young adult males.[1][2] High-profile mass shootings have fueled debate over gun policies, even though these events are relatively rare.[3] In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.[4] High-profile assassinations such as those of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and the Beltway sniper attacks involved the use of rifles, usually with telescopic sights, from concealed locations.
Hand guns figured in the Virginia Tech shootings, Binghamton massacre, Fort Hood massacre, Oikos University shooting, and 2011 Tucson shooting. Assailants with multiple weapons committed the Aurora theater shooting, and the Columbine High School massacre.
In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides.
Baldimo
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 03:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Do you post this in hopes that it will make people see guns as evil?
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 03:50 pm
@Baldimo,
I don't care what other people do with or without guns. Not my business; that's the reason our country has laws and the court systems.
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firefly
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 03:59 pm
@Baldimo,
Well, I'm sure you believe that "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

So...Do you think guns should be in the hands of emotionally unstable individuals, like Zimmerman, who have a history of anger management and impulse control problems, and who continue to use guns to threaten and terrorize others, who are unarmed, in situations unrelated to self defense?

Seems to me, even Wayne LaPierre and the NRA doesn't favor keeping guns in the hands of someone like that.
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 04:19 pm
@firefly,
once Zimmerman established that he might have a problem a judge ordered him to not touch guns temporarily, and might make the order permanent. so why are you bitching about how the system works?
BillRM
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 04:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Bill, an otherwise pretty smart fella, seems to be lost in the gun culture. He ignores violence by guns and gun owners. His emotions has taken over his brain on this one!


Nonsense most legal guns owners with special note of people who had CC licenses are far less likely to misused firearms then others.

When I am at a gun range I am surrounded with police officers, lawyers, doctors, fire fighters and so on.

The same kind of solid middle class people that I used to run into in sky diving or ultra-light flying.

Few if any homes in the small town in PA where I grow up in did not have a number of hunting rifles and shotguns.

The overall crime rate other in the town hardly exist and the one repeat one cop in the town would spend most of his time writing parking tickets.

The only misused of any firearms came when a father of a classmate of mine used his shotgun to killed himself. A WW2 and or Korean vet having a hard time from what I hear adjusting to civil life.
firefly
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 04:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
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once Zimmerman established that he might have a problem a judge ordered him to not touch guns temporarily, and might make the order permanent. so why are you bitching about how the system works?

I'm not bitching about the way the system works--that, I believe, was BillRM and David, who were concerned about Zimmerman's welfare and safety if he's not allowed to have his guns while on bail--I'm glad that, as a condition of bail, he is not allowed to have them. I'm definitely not bitching about it.

And his new lawyer probably wouldn't bitch about it either--she didn't think he should have had a gun the night he killed Martin, and she doesn't think anyone should have guns.

And the current judge's order, prohibiting Zimmerman from contact with guns, is not related to Zimmerman's mental state or mental illness or "a problem" he might have in that regard--it's related to the nature of the crimes he's accused of. And I'm not sure that judge can issue any sort of permanent order for him to stay away from guns.

Again, you've misinterpreted or distorted my comments, which had to do with emotionally and mentally unstable individuals, with histories of anger management and impulse control problems, being legally entitled to guns. Neither Wayne LaPierre, or the NRA supports that, and that's what my post was about. And you've accused me of bitching about something I'm not bitching about.

You really should be concerned that, more often than not lately, you are not accurately comprehending the posts you respond to.

And my question was specifically addressed to Baldino...
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 04:57 pm
@firefly,
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I'm not bitching about the way the system works
bullshit, you were complaining that zimmerman was allowed to have a gun the day he met Martin a long time ago on A2K.

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emotionally and mentally unstable individuals being legally entitled to guns. Neither Wayne LaPierre, or the NRA supports that.
they have also been very clear that the standards must not be fungible, because if you let the government outlaw guns to everyone that they find defective eventually only the government will have guns. this government is always pushing to remove our freedom under the argument that we are too defective to handle freedom, that we NEED the government to run our lives for us.

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You really should be concerned that, more often than not lately, you are not accurately comprehending the posts you respond to.
i will take that under advisement but for now I am as I have been for a long time concerned that you are allergic to telling the truth.
firefly
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 05:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
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bullshit, you were complaining that zimmerman was allowed to have a gun the day he met Martin.

In my post to Baldino--the one you were responding to? Now you're out of contact with reality.

And my previous complaint was that Zimmerman disregarded the rules of his own Neighborhood Watch by having his gun with him while he stalked Martin. I never said he shouldn't have been allowed to have a gun that night.

This is just more distortion on your part.

In addition, your comments are illogical, and irrelevant, to the posts you are allegedly responding to.

And the position you are promoting is yours--not that of Wayne LaPierre, when it comes to the mentally ill and emotionally disturbed and guns.

This is your thinking, not his, Hawkeye...
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if you let the government outlaw guns to everyone that they find defective eventually only the government will have guns. this government is always pushing to remove our freedom under the argument that we are too defective to handle freedom, that we NEED the government to run our lives for us.

To his credit, LaPierre does not want to see guns in the hands of those who cannot, or are unable to, use them responsibly, or who use them recklessly to intimidate others, where self defense is not involved, or who might use them to harm innocent people. Those people are "the bad guys".

And Zimmerman's increasingly disturbing actions suggest he's on his way to being one of those "bad guys", if he's not already there.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 29 Nov, 2013 02:57 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Bill, an otherwise pretty smart fella, seems to be lost in the gun culture. He ignores violence by guns and gun owners. His emotions has taken over his brain on this one!


Nonsense most legal guns owners with special note of people who had CC licenses are far less likely to misused firearms then others.

When I am at a gun range I am surrounded with police officers, lawyers, doctors, fire fighters and so on.

The same kind of solid middle class people that I used to run into in sky diving or ultra-light flying.

Few if any homes in the small town in PA where I grow up in did not have a number of hunting rifles and shotguns.

The overall crime rate other in the town hardly exist and the one repeat one cop in the town would spend most of his time writing parking tickets.

The only misused of any firearms came when a father of a classmate of mine used his shotgun to killed himself. A WW2 and or Korean vet having a hard time from what I hear adjusting to civil life.
Wud it have been better if he 'd used a knife to open an artery,
or gone sky diving with no parachute ?
or maybe gone for a real fast car ride ?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 29 Nov, 2013 03:06 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Well, I'm sure you believe that "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

So...Do you think guns should be in the hands of emotionally unstable individuals, like Zimmerman, who have a history of anger management and impulse control problems, and who continue to use guns to threaten and terrorize others, who are unarmed, in situations unrelated to self defense?

Seems to me, even Wayne LaPierre and the NRA doesn't favor keeping guns in the hands of someone like that.
If, by a history of recidivant criminal violence
whereof he has been duly convicted,
a man has proven to be an intolerable theat,
then he shud be removed from contact with the decent people
BANISHED, with his chattel. The problem is HIM, not his property.





David
RABEL222
 
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Fri 29 Nov, 2013 02:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
And what do you mean by intolerable threat? Is that when he breakes into a school and shoots 25 or 30 5,6, and 7 year old kids. Will we be allowed to take his gun away from him than. I guess not because he would lose his right to self protection.
BillRM
 
  2  
Fri 29 Nov, 2013 02:54 pm
@RABEL222,
LOL the greatest number of dead children in a US school was cause by a bomb not guns.

Guns are hardly the best means of mass murder as even a few gallons of gasoline beating out the death total of any one case of mass gun murders in the US.
firefly
 
  1  
Fri 29 Nov, 2013 03:18 pm
@BillRM,
The fact that you can think of other methods of causing mass killings is entirely beside the point.

It's also beside the point of whether guns should be in the possession of those who are mentally ill, and/or emotionally disturbed, particularly when these individuals have already shown evidence of impulsivity, and the irresponsible and inappropriate use of guns to threaten and intimidate others.

It seems to me that when mass shootings have occurred, you've blamed the mental health system, or those close to the shooter, for not recognizing these individuals beforehand.

In the case of Zimmerman, we do have a number of people complaining they are fearful of him, and that he has used guns, or threats of using them, to terrorize and intimidate them, in situations not involving any self defense on his part, as well as a Chief of Police who has characterized him as a "ticking time bomb" and another "Aurora or Sandy Hook waiting to happen." And then a stockpile of weapons, which could certainly be used for a mass attack, are subsequently found in Zimmerman's possession...

Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 29 Nov, 2013 03:25 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

The fact that you can think of other methods of causing mass killings is entirely beside the point.

It's also beside the point of whether guns should be in the possession of those who are mentally ill, and/or emotionally disturbed, particularly when these individuals have already shown evidence of impulsivity, and the irresponsible and inappropriate use of guns to threaten and intimidate others.

It seems to me that when mass shootings have occurred, you've blamed the mental health system, or those close to the shooter, for not recognizing these individuals beforehand.

In the case of Zimmerman, we do have a number of people complaining they are fearful of him, and that he has used guns, or threats of using them, to terrorize them, in situations not involving any self defense on his part, as well as a Chief of Police who has characterized him as a "ticking time bomb" and another "Aurora or Sandy Hook waiting to happen." And then a stockpile of weapons, which could certainly be used for a mass attack, are subsequently found in his possession...




It is amazing, Firefly, that so many "defenders" of the 2nd Amendment are unwilling to see behavior of the sort Zimmerman is exhibiting as a reason to refuse him the right to own guns. They honestly do think a person has to massacre a bunch of people before that person should be considered unfit for gun ownership.

Oh well...that's part of the reason so much of the rest of the world consider us...the United States...to be a country in chaos.
BillRM
 
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Fri 29 Nov, 2013 03:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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It is amazing, Firefly, that so many "defenders" of the 2nd Amendment are unwilling to see behavior of the sort Zimmerman is exhibiting as a reason to refuse him the right to own guns.


Yes, anyone who would defend his life by using a firearm should not be allow to own a firearm!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The hell with a jury verdict..............

As far as two women he was breaking up with claims that all they happen to be claims and with special note he let or was leaving both of them and the one was shopping a story around beforehand so she have many reasons as in $$$$$$ to put him in a bad light.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 29 Nov, 2013 03:39 pm
@firefly,
In fact, Firefly...some of the defenders don't sound as though they have their heads screwed on tightly enough to own guns. Or at least, it sounds that way around here.

Wouldn't you say. Wink
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 29 Nov, 2013 03:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yes, anyone who would dare to disagree with you and Firefly should have one of their constitutional rights taken away for that alone.
 

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