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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2013 04:18 pm
GRASSHOPPER- "Why do we illuminate the temple with so many light and warmth-giving sacred candles master?
MASTER PO- "Because there's no heating in this dump and my feet are like blocks of ice"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_s7L3KW_NgjU/TIFpXRNOPHI/AAAAAAAAAvM/ktwWZrzXiD0/s1600/Kung-Fu_Television_Series_Master_Po_Young_Grasshopper.jpg
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spendius
 
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Tue 26 Nov, 2013 04:22 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
You certainly quote some nice poetry. Whatever other failings you might have.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2013 09:00 pm
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/Traylost_zpsad068225.jpg
firefly
 
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Tue 26 Nov, 2013 09:43 pm
Quote:
George Zimmerman hires high-profile South Florida defense lawyer in aggravated assault case
Posted by Scott T. Smith / CBS12 News

SANFORD, Fla. -- George Zimmerman has hired a new lawyer to handle the domestic violence case against him.

The public defender who was representing Zimmerman tells local media that he has hired attorney and frequent cable news contributor Jayne Weintraub.

As Bob Kealing tells us, some legal analysts are questioning Zimmerman's new hire.

"It really boggles the mind."

WESH 2 legal analyst Richard Hornsby says it appears George Zimmerman has chosen south Florida defense attorney Jayne Weintraub because of her high profile on cable television.

And not on whether she's the best person to defend him on charges which carry the potential of minimum mandatory prison time.

"I have a feeling George Zimmerman is approaching this from the standpoint that he is a celebrity and he needs some type of a lawyer that has the same cachet, if you will, that he has," Hornsby said. "He had sort of a distinct advantage when he's talking about the criminal case. He had the right lawyers."

WESH 2 analyst Jeff Deen says the team of public defenders who helped Zimmerman get bond last week, headed up by deputy public defender Jeff Dowdy, had the right combination of experience and local contacts with the judge and prosecutors assigned to the case, to best defend Zimmerman.

"You always want someone local if you can have that," Deen said. "You want to be able to use relationships to represent your clients.

"It really appears that George Zimmerman's making another poor decision in that he's not picking his attorney based upon the factors that are most important in this case."

Zimmerman is accused of pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend.
He has pleaded not guilty.

His arrest comes just months after he was acquitted in the shooting death of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin.
http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_11516.shtml
oralloy
 
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Tue 26 Nov, 2013 11:22 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/Traylost_zpsad068225.jpg



I wish they'd fix the spelling error in this one, it'd be a lot more popular:

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f237/460695d1372280786-trayvon-martin-crime-scene-photo-trayvon.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0ilRUy0.jpg
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 26 Nov, 2013 11:22 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
George Zimmerman has hired a new lawyer to handle the domestic violence case against him.
public defenders are provided by the state, who hires them, not the defendants. there is no point in ready further, as this observer is either stupid or not honest.
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firefly
 
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Tue 26 Nov, 2013 11:57 pm
Quote:
George Zimmerman's New Attorney Thinks Her Client Is A Racist And Stand Your Ground Is An "Awful Law"
November 25, 2013
TIMOTHY JOHNSON

Jayne Weintraub -- an attorney hired by George Zimmerman to defend him against domestic abuse charges -- criticized Florida's "terrible" Stand Your Ground self-defense law during a television appearance earlier this year defending Zimmerman over the accusation that he murdered Trayvon Martin.

In July, Zimmerman was acquitted on charges of second degree murder and manslaughter after fatally shooting 17-year-old Martin in Sanford, Florida in February 2012. Zimmerman's acquittal was in part made possible by Stand Your Ground, which was specifically cited by a juror as a reason for acquittal. Zimmerman has had a number of law enforcement interactions since his acquittal. On November 18 he was charged with felony aggravated assault and domestic violence battery after his girlfriend accused him of choking her and threatening her with a gun on separate occasions.

Weintraub, a Florida defense attorney who often appears on TV to provide the viewpoint of the defense in a criminal trial, said on the July 12 edition of CNN's Piers Morgan Live that Stand Your Ground "is a terrible, terrible law" and that "it's almost giving extra permission for those who carry guns." She added that she doesn't believe the evidence supports a guilty verdict.


PIERS MORGAN, HOST: I look at what's happened with gun control in America, where absolutely zero happened after Sandy Hook and Aurora. Why should I have any confidence living in America that anything will change here?

WEINTRAUB: Personally, I think Stand Your Ground is a terrible, terrible law. I think it's almost giving extra permission for those who carry guns.

MORGAN: It's a license to kill people, isn't it?

WEINTRAUB: And I think it's an awful law.


During a July 2 appearance on Morgan's show, Weintraub said of Zimmerman's actions on the night of Martin's death, "Should he not have had a gun? Of course he shouldn't have had a gun. I don't think anyone should." Weintraub also called Zimmerman, who at the time of the Martin shooting was a neighborhood watch volunteer, a "wannabe cop" but suggested he was nonetheless innocent of criminal liability.

While the trial was ongoing, Weintraub tweeted that she believed both Zimmerman and Martin were "rascists" [sic]:

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2013/11/25/weintraubtweet.jpg

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/george-zimmermans-new-attorney-thinks-her-clien/197050


hawkeye10
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:07 am
@firefly,
Quote:
George Zimmerman's New Attorney Thinks Her Client Is A Racist And Stand Your Ground Is An "Awful Law"
I'll bet she thinks that citizens ought to be prosecuted according to the laws we have rather than the laws that she would like. besides, lawyers dont need to like their clients, thy only need to provide the best representation that we can.

AS USUAL I find myself hoping that you firefly never took a law degree. If you did there is a school that should be investigated.
firefly
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:20 am
@hawkeye10,
I don't know about you, but I find it odd that George Zimmerman, in particular, hired a lawyer who doesn't feel anyone should have guns.
Quote:
During a July 2 appearance on Morgan's show, Weintraub said of Zimmerman's actions on the night of Martin's death, "Should he not have had a gun? Of course he shouldn't have had a gun. I don't think anyone should."
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/george-zimmermans-new-attorney-thinks-her-clien/197050

hawkeye10
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:29 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

I don't know about you, but I find it odd that George Zimmerman, in particular, hired a lawyer who doesn't feel anyone should have guns.


her opinion is not relevant, her abilities and willingness to fight for Zimmerman are. she is extremely experienced, accomplished, and worked for the state for a long while, she seems like a fantastic choice. my guess is that she does not expect to get paid either, which is great for him,
firefly
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:40 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
mu guess is that she does not expect to get paid either

And what do you base that guess on?

This woman already has a media presence, she's been on TV going back to the days of Court TV, and she already appears on cable regularly as a legal commentator. So she doesn't need Zimmerman for self-promotion or to heighten her visibility. And his current case is not going to generate the interest, or the coverage, his last one got, and it's not as legally interesting as that one was.

I can't think of any reason she'd take his case without getting paid for it.
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:50 am
@oralloy,
so coldjoint thinks a pitcure of trayvon giving the finger proves something. so what does it prove when George W. Bush did it when president:  http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kK18CpDhHKM/RqQF4YgeItI/AAAAAAAAAnI/VIX8-6XP3mI/s400/bush%2Bfinger.JPG  or then-vice president Nelson Rockefeller  http://ray032.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/vice-president-of-the-us-giving-the-finger.jpg

Clearly anyone who'd do something so heinous is likely to be a murderer, right, coldjoint?
hawkeye10
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:53 am
@firefly,
Quote:
And what do you base that guess on?
on a quote from O'mare some time ago that not only has he not gotten any money for his time but he was struggling to get his out of pocket costs recouped. I think this is why he is done with zimmerman, not that he has anything against him, but pro bono is one thing....... contributing money as well to the cause is a bit much.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 01:00 am
@firefly,
Quote:
This woman already has a media presence, she's been on TV going back to the days of Court TV, and she already appears on cable regularly as a legal commentator.
tv work pays poorly. the woman still wants to land big fish and to do that she needs to get off the tv and win a big case. call it street cred for lawyers. I am looking for a good bio for her but it appears that her cases in recent years have been boring, IE not good for marketing.
firefly
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 02:14 am
@hawkeye10,
But O'Mara had a lot to gain from defending Zimmerman--in terms of heightening his own profile by being associated with a highly publicized, very sensational case, that also elicited strong public emotions and involved controversial laws--and he has been rewarded financially for doing that, just not directly by Zimmerman. Among other things, he now has a job with CNN. It was also a very legally challenging case.

This woman Zimmerman just hired is already high profile, and this is a somewhat routine domestic violence case, and, while people might be interested in the final verdict, this case is not going to be followed with the interest, or media coverage and scrutiny, that the murder trial had--the same elements just aren't there. I really can't see any clear motive for her to do this pro bono, or to take on a client she knows won't pay her. What's in it for her? My guess would be that someone might be paying her on Zimmerman's behalf. The man claims he is homeless and indigent, with only $149 in assets--how is he even managing to eat or put gas in his truck? Something is not adding up here.

O'Mara dropped Zimmerman because he was angry at his antics--going to the gun factory and posing for pictures, the domestic violence incident with his estranged wife and father-in-law--he was fed up with Zimmerman's continuing provocative actions, and his getting dragged into them. He wanted Zimmerman to maintain a low profile after his acquittal and Zimmerman was doing the opposite. He had signed on for the murder case, not to get dragged into everything Zimmerman did afterward--and dragged in without being paid for his services--he dropped him because he had enough of him. According to reports,O'Mara was apparently very angry at Zimmerman when he arrived at the scene after the September incident with Shellie and her father. That did it for him, he'd had enough of Zimmerman.

And Zimmerman's first lawyers had also dropped him because he was such a loose cannon and they couldn't control him. He's a difficult client for a lawyer to manage. I hope the new lawyer is aware of what she is getting herself involved in with him. Dealing with him might be the real challenge for her with this case.
firefly
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 02:27 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
tv work pays poorly. the woman still wants to land big fish and to do that she needs to get off the tv and win a big case. call it street cred for lawyers. I am looking for a good bio for her but it appears that her cases in recent years have been boring, IE not good for marketing.

You think George Zimmerman is a "big fish"? You're crazy.

But, you're the one who thinks he's a "good catch" too. Laughing

She has won big cases, with defendants who are true celebrity clients--not just notorious ones.
Quote:
Jayne C. Weintraub has represented many high-profile clients in her career as a defense attorney, including former Major League Baseball star Jose Canseco, performer Sean Combs and Minnesota Vikings player Leon Hoard. She’s also been a TV star and a frequent legal commentator on national media.
http://www.sflegalguide.com/Weintraub.html


She doesn't need George Zimmerman, particularly an allegedly homeless and indigent George Zimmerman. Laughing Her private practice is very successful.

This case might be a win/win for her though. If he's found guilty, a lot of people will be so happy to see him go to prison, it won't affect her reputation much at all.

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hawkeye10
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 02:32 am
@firefly,
Quote:
O'Mara dropped Zimmerman because he was angry at his antics-going to the gun factory and posing for pictures, the domestic violence incident with his estranged wife and father-in-law--he was fed up with Zimmerman's continuing provocative actions,

R U sure?

Quote:
What might be surprising, however, is that O’Mara may not have dropped Zimmerman because of his tendency to get into trouble with the law. During the ABC interview, when O’Mara was asked if he had any advice for his former client, he said this:

“Pay me.”

http://thenewstalkers.com/forum/topics/did-george-zimmerman-s-lawyer-drop-him-because-zimmerman-has

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-loses-lawyer-cops-seek-fight-video/story?id=20212533
firefly
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 02:48 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
O'Mara appeared to struggle with his anger at his client during Monday's incident in which he went to Zimmerman's house while police were still there

O'Mara was angry--and he was the one who made it clear that Zimmerman did have guns with him that day, lending credence to Shellie Zimmerman's fears and the reasons she called 911.

And he was disturbed about the negative publicity Zimmerman provoked by going to the gun factory and posing for a smiling photo.

And I'm also sure he was pissed about getting pulled into Zimmerman's continuing saga without being paid. But the anger seemed to be toward Zimmerman's actions in September. His, "Pay me," comment might have been somewhat sarcastic.

He had no reason to continue to have his life complicated by any further relationship with Zimmerman. And even he might have had fears of what Zimmerman might do next after the September incident...
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 03:03 am
@firefly,
listen at the 1:40 mark where he says that the situation was a result of the stress imposed by the state on this couple. he says in at least three points that George acted appropriately with his gun.,

firefly
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 03:20 am
@hawkeye10,
Because in that interview he's still publicly defending George--his remarks are what you expect from a defense attorney. He's trying to make Zimmerman's behavior seem less alarming than it was.

The anger O'Mara felt toward Zimmerman when he came to the scene revealed what he was really feeling toward him. He knew Zimmerman provoked the entire situation--and had, on top of that, destroyed evidence of his actions..

Look, O'Mara dumped Zimmerman. His first lawyers also dumped him. Let's see how the new lawyer fares.

 

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