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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 05:00 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Do you remember O.J. by any chance.
His trial got almost as much coverage as Bruno Hauptmann's.


RABEL222 wrote:
Many both black and white think he got away with murder just as George did.
No. It was near impossible
to find a black in favor of conviction, at the time. Many polls found near 1OO% racial polarization.
I cannot begin to guess if any of them have changed their minds; (not that it matters).
There was NO CHANCE whatsoever that that jury wud convict OJ. Thay were logic-proof.
I had been expecting a hung jury, along racial lines.

Note that every day, the OJ jury self-segregated racially at lunch.

I was rather attracted to Marcia Clark, Esq.; quite a QT
and a decent lawyer.





David
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 05:01 pm
I don't like this guy from all I've read, but I'm put off by the scaling of his persona from afar. I agree he's on a speedboat to somewhere none of us want to go, at least so far, but I quail at the reads, say, on his affect when talking while filmed.

Personally, one of my own affect failures is that I have a fairly monotone voice. I don't like it myself on the recordings I've heard. You should hear me sing happy birthday, much less back in my choir days.

firefly
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 05:32 pm
@ossobuco,
It's not just his montone voice, osso, there's almost a complete lack of animation in his face and an absence of emotional expression in his eyes. It's so constricted, it's so unrevealing, it's so non-spontaneous, it's unnatural.

It also creates the erroneous impression that he's a rather meek, extremely mild-mannered man, when that's apparently not the case.

I also think it's learned behavior on his part. I think he's learned to conceal when he wants to conceal. And, he does it so completely, I really do think he could fake or outwit a polygraph/lie detector test.

I think it's a valid thing to talk about because his outward lack of emotional expressiveness, and spontaneity, is part of what one reacts to about the man.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 05:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Your "belief" in what happened has no real value
OBVIOUSLY!! What did u expect???
Its the same as the value of anyone else 's belief, including yours.
Zimmy is free; justice was done. That 's all that matters.



cicerone imposter wrote:
except to yourself and a few others
who think owning a gun is license to kill.
No. If Zimmy had picked up a rock
when the bad guy was slamming his head on the street
and bashed in the criminal 's head with it,
inflicting fatal injuries, Zimmy 's right to kill in self defense
wud be exactly the same as whether he did it with a gun, a knife or Kung Fu.
Guns make it easier. In 2005, I had abdominal surgery and became
so debilitated that I lost ability to walk; took a while to get some of it back.
As I left the hospital, I thought that I better not get into a fight.
It was all I cud do to remain vertical; a butterfly cud have taken me,
but as to robbers, I still had my guns, loaded with hollowpointed slugs
to put the brakes on within the target for optimal energy dump.

cicerone imposter wrote:
Your idea of "self-defense" is based on ignorance
Maybe English is not your first language.
U appear to believe that the word: "ignorance" means something
other than what it really means. It only means un-informed,
such as: "I am ignorant of how to build a telephone"
or:
"Ignorance prevails within my family as to how to pay off
America 's national debt and to restore the dollar to its value
in the 192Os." U employ that word as if it were a weapon.
I have repeatedly told u that EVERYONE is ignorant
of many trillions of things thru out the gallaxy. U remain IGNORANT
of that word that u throw around so much.

If u believe that I am ignorant of something that u want me to know,
then TELL ME WHAT IT IS, and I will then know it.
( I suspect that u will only offer error, or more likely nothing at all, but I'll keep an open mind. )


cicerone imposter wrote:
and love of guns over human lives.
Guns are health insurance. Mine saved me once.
I 'm glad that I had it when I did.
I don 't believe that the guys who tried to rob me
were glad that their victim was armed.






David
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 05:57 pm
@firefly,
You could be right, I think you are astute in all this, but I'm not watching any of this stuff (lack of adobe access, even if I wanted to). I don't know if a sans-total-affect in front of a camera when being interviewed means things, aka persona. It might be connected or it might not.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 08:23 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
people like Zimmerman who have committed cruel crimes, such as murder and rape.

Liberals regard it a horrendous crime for an American to defend themselves from violent assault.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 08:25 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Now why doesn't that surprise me?! Zimmerman appear to be a complicated individual. There is a negativity in his facial expression, perhaps this is due to his close-knit eyes, which appear sinister.

Your lynch mob mentality never fails to horrify.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 08:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
If any of those things were to have happened wouldn't good ol' Jantel have over heard those things and said something to the police. The only words we have reported are the "creepy ass cracker" and "get off of me". No other words before or after the "get off of me" are reported.

Look who is stretching for an explanation.

The only witness for Martin never said anything else and I think she was keeping things from the police for a reason. She heard get off of me but nothing else? No mention of a gun or anything else, just the "get off of me" comment.

That is the least of the problems with her testimony.

There is also the fact that she said the fight/shooting occurred when Trayvon was nearly home.


The fact that it occurred nowhere near where she said it did
(it happened way back at the spot where Mr. Zimmerman was advised not to pursue)
really demolishes her entire story.

Was that fact brought out
by defense counsel during summation??
I don 't believe that it was.

I don't know. I didn't really follow the trial too closely.

However, I did happen to hear a brief clip on the news of a defense lawyer questioning this Jantel character, and he did raise that point then, and asked her to explain why her story differed so much from the physical evidence (she did not appear to have any explanation).
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 08:34 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
got away with murder just as George did.

Liberals regard self defense as murder because they hate the Constitution.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 08:36 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Zimmerman reminds me of a RAT in human form.

It is really despicable the way you thugs demonize the people that you lynch.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 10:32 pm
@oralloy,
I love the constitution. I hate people who misinterpret it for selfish reasons.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 11:38 pm
i am wondering why when lindsay lohans mom has to get a psych eval to deal with a drunk driving charge why is George not getting one here? is it because we have heard from the media before that he was a basket case, but that when looked at by pros he was fine? lets remember that he was a suicide watch for a few days, then he was not and that he current lawyers say that they have no reason to believe that he is not perfectly fine. apparently his women claiming that he is mentally unraveling get zero credibility from them, or the state.

I am also tracking reports that his according to some non-existent friends are telling journalists that George absolutely was told by GF that she was pregnant.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2013 11:53 pm
Baldimo isw flat out wrong. Jeantel did IN FACT testify that she hears Z asking what T was doing there, and T asking Z why he was following him, as well as the "Get off, get off", (which incidentally does suggest quite clearly that Z attacked T first). And the murder took place roughly a dozen townhouse units (three multi-unit buildings) from where Trayvon was staying, in the interior backyards of the same large block as that unit, which is in any reasonable person's definition nearly home. You guys, as usual, have no idea what you're talking about.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/justice/zimmerman-trial/

http://www.hlntv.com/interactive/2013/06/17/zimmerman-trayvon-map-interactiv
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 12:00 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
I love the constitution.
Have u READ the Constitution??


RABEL222 wrote:
I hate people who misinterpret it for selfish reasons.
How do u feel toward people
who mis-interpret it for un-selfish reasons ?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 12:02 am
oralloy says:
Quote:
It is really despicable the way you thugs demonize the people that you lynch.

you mean like the way you've consistently falsely demonized trayvon. like your bullshit claim he was doing PCP, or that he was going to rob the neighborhood if he wasn't apprehended, both are HYPOTHESES, and stupid ones at that, not supported by any actual facts. But that's what most of your arguments are.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 12:05 am
@oralloy,
RABEL222 wrote:
got away with murder just as George did.

oralloy wrote:
Liberals regard self defense as murder because they hate the Constitution.
That is because the liberals are authoritarians and the Constitution is libertarian.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 12:15 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
It's not just his montone voice, osso, there's almost a complete lack of animation in his face and an absence of emotional expression in his eyes. It's so constricted, it's so unrevealing, it's so non-spontaneous, it's unnatural. . . .
U believe that he has a duty
to act frazzled ??
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 12:39 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
the murder took place

Liberals refer to self defense as murder because they hate the Constitution.


MontereyJack wrote:
roughly a dozen townhouse units (three multi-unit buildings) from where Trayvon was staying, in the interior backyards of the same large block as that unit, which is in any reasonable person's definition nearly home.

Her testimony was that the confrontation took place when Trayvon was nearly at his own townhouse unit.

She had no explanation for why the evidence contradicted her testimony.

More importantly, "that spot roughly a dozen units away" is right about where Mr. Zimmerman was when the dispatcher advised him that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon.

Clearly Mr. Zimmerman halted his pursuit, and then three minutes later Trayvon came up to him.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 12:40 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
you mean like the way you've consistently falsely demonized trayvon.

The truth is hardly a falsehood.


MontereyJack wrote:
like your bullshit claim he was doing PCP,

Just because reality so often demolishes leftist nonsense, that doesn't mean that reality is BS.


MontereyJack wrote:
or that he was going to rob the neighborhood if he wasn't apprehended, both are HYPOTHESES,

Quite reasonable hypotheses, considering all the evidence supporting them both.


MontereyJack wrote:
and stupid ones at that,

Hardly stupid to take note of what the evidence shows.

Inconvenient for the left, certainly. But hardly stupid.


MontereyJack wrote:
not supported by any actual facts.

There are a number of facts in support of both hypotheses.

For instance, the PCP hypothesis is backed by all of Trayvon's online posts about taking Poor Man's PCP (and his online quest for ever-higher dosages). And also backed by the fact that he was carrying candy and a light drink, which are the very ingredients that he used to mix with his Poor Man's PCP.

And the burglary hypothesis is backed by the fact that Trayvon had previously been caught with a secret stash of tools and women's jewelry (which he refused to provide any explanation for). And also by the fact that Mr. Zimmerman spotted Trayvon casing houses.


MontereyJack wrote:
But that's what most of your arguments are.

I note your inability to point out a single fact that I am wrong about.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 22 Nov, 2013 02:07 am
@oralloy,
MontereyJack wrote:
the murder took place
oralloy wrote:
Liberals refer to self defense as murder because they hate the Constitution.
It 'd be interesting to see how thay 'd
handle a personal self defense situation, e.g. a violent mugging,
if a weapon became available.

A socialist-pacifist friend of mine said that he 'd assume a fetal position.





David
 

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