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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 12:09 am
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UPDATED: George Zimmerman's girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, has refused to appear on camera until she gets a paid national interview, WKMG-Channel 6 reported Wednesday night.

WKMG's Erik Sandoval broke the story of Scheibe's personal details about her relationship with Zimmerman in a report at 11 p.m. Tuesday.

"I did actually speak to her at noon today after our story aired last night at 11," Sandoval said at 6 p.m. Wednesday. "She wants to make it absolutely clear. She says that she and her daughter did not set Zimmerman up for what happened on Monday at her home in Apopka."
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WKMG's report that the women were seeking money for interviews with national news organizations was confirmed to the Sentinel by one such organization.

WKMG legal analyst Luis Calderon said the pursuit of that interview could help Zimmerman's case. "The defense could make it out to be nothing more nothing less than her doing this for some financial motive or some publicity," Calderon said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-when-emails-become-news-20131120,0,2252808.post

I think I might go a bit bat **** crazy too if everyone I touch was trying to make their bones on my life, trying to make it pay off for them. and you know, when things have gotten so bad that you need to deny strenuously that you set your ex up for a fall then things are pretty bad indeed.

BTW the $9k was paid by a friend, and I presume also all of the other costs associated with his bail, which are significant. so much for the storyline that he is all alone, has driven everyone away.
hawkeye10
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 12:28 am
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“He was a calm, chill, loving person who loved his family, definitely his mother,

Rachel Jeantel
http://newsone.com/2634481/rachel-jeantel-piers-morgan-interview/

in otherwords maybe not so much pops. the one who forced him to leave town and go to stepmoms house because pops did not want him to spend his school suspension around his friends.
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firefly
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 12:34 am
@hawkeye10,
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BTW the $9k was paid by a friend, and I presume also all of the other costs associated with his bail, which are significant. so much for the storyline that he is all alone, has driven everyone away.

The friend is the flaming racist, Frank Taaffe, a man with a criminal past of his own, who has made a career out of being Zimmerman's chief media spokesperson/mouthpiece/supporter--he pushes the current Zimmerman "talking points". At the moment, it's claiming that Zimmerman suffers from PTSD--from the trauma of having killed Martin. Rolling Eyes

Whenever Zimmerman hits the news, he's constantly on HLN with Nancy Grace and Dr. Drew, tonight he was on Piers Morgan, where he referred to Zimmerman's guns as his "toys". And "boys like their toys". Rolling Eyes.
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I think I might go a bit bat **** crazy too if everyone I touch was trying to make their bones on my life, trying to make it pay off.

Well, Frank Taaffe definitely falls into that category. His "celebrity" is totally dependent on Zimmerman's notoriety and his continued run-ins with the law. And, given the comments that come out of Taaffe's mouth, it's questionable whether his support does Zimmerman more harm than good.

I think most of Zimmerman's bail was posted by his family. I think Taaffe, who had offered on TV to post the full amount, only wound up putting in $1,ooo.
He's such a "good friend," he hasn't even spoken to Zimmerman lately. George didn't even call him to thank him for putting up some bail money.

I wonder where George is staying now. He needed that girlfriend to shack up with. If he only has $149 in assets, he was sponging off her too.

What a cast of characters...

hawkeye10
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 01:04 am
@firefly,
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I think Taaffe, who had offered on TV to post the full amount, only wound up putting in $1,ooo
i am now seeing some reports to this effect.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 01:15 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Well, unlike you, I am concerned about unstable and mentally ill individuals having access to assault rifles and handguns and shotguns, and Zimmerman displays considerable evidence of instability, poor impulse controls, mood problems, and impaired judgment.
Thay can make their own guns and ammunition,
if it comes to that (as I have pointed out).
http://www.paladin-press.com/category/Home_Workshop_Guns_and_Ammo




firefly wrote:
While these things were apparent before he killed Martin, the stress of that event, and ensuing events,
may well have caused further decompensation of his personality and functioning.
If he is attacked by a cougar, while fishing in the wilderness,
or by vengeful urban blacks, Zimmy has the right to defend himself. Yes??
As much right as anyone else? Yes?





firefly wrote:
I can't believe that any responsible gun owners would support someone, with clear indications of volatility, instability, poor judgment, and impaired impulse control, continuing to have legal access to firearms. And when that individual feels he has nothing further to lose, it's a tragedy waiting to happen.
If a man has proven himself to be an intolerable threat
by criminal recidivism, whereof he has been duly convicted,
then I deem it reasonable for him to be ISOLATED on a long term basis,
preferably not on the North American Continent.





David
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firefly
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 01:30 am
@hawkeye10,
More on Samantha Scheibe and what she was saying about Zimmerman...and she wasn't paid for disclosing this information. But, if she continues to try to seek money for interviews, she'll wind up destroying her own credibility.
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In its Tuesday report, WKMG shared text messages between the station and Scheibe and her mother, Hope Mason. The women had been talking to Sandoval for three weeks about an interview.

When do texts constitute news?

"If you say something newsworthy," said WKMG news director Steve Hyvonen. "They knew Erik was a reporter. They gave him a lot of information that was pertinent."

Did the two women know they were always on the record?

Yes, Hyvonen said.

Sandoval had been talking to Scheibe and Mason almost every day for the past few weeks, and they wanted to talk frankly about Zimmerman, Hyvonen said.

"The interview was set up and put off, set up and put off," Hyvonen said. "We're sitting on newsworthy material."

WKMG's website presented the story with the headline "George Zimmerman's girlfriend speaks to Local 6." The story quotes Scheibe as describing Zimmerman "as alone, depressed and fascinated by guns in the days after his acquittal on charges in connection with the death of Trayvon Martin."

This passage from WKMG's online report stood out:

"Mason said Scheibe’s daughter received a text message from George Zimmerman. Mason said that message was a still image from an intimate home video of Scheibe and Zimmerman."

WKMG updated the story at 5 p.m. Wednesday with the headline "Intimate Details."

Scheibe told WKMG that her relationship with Zimmerman was "so intimate ... that they took intimate videos of themselves," Sandoval said. When the relationship cooled, Scheiber said Zimmerman took an image from a video "and texted it to her young daughter," Sandoval reported.


Scheibe and her mother stressed that Scheibe "did not hunt down George Zimmerman to create a relationship," Sandoval reported. Rather, Scheibe said she had known Zimmerman for years, grew close to him when his marriage faltered and stayed with him to help him.

WKMG still hopes to get an interview with the women. "We decided to report on what they told us," Hyvonen said. "It's no different from a person telling a reporter something newsworthy."

WKMG's report that the women were seeking money for interviews with national news organizations was confirmed to the Sentinel by one such organization.

WKMG legal analyst Luis Calderon said the pursuit of that interview could help Zimmerman's case. "The defense could make it out to be nothing more nothing less than her doing this for some financial motive or some publicity," Calderon said.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-when-emails-become-news-20131120,0,2252808.post
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 10:31 am
It all boils down to the fact that Zimmerman found himself in a situation like this so he drew his gun and defended himself, and I'm sure no sensible person blames him..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/blimp.jpg
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firefly
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 10:46 am
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George Zimmerman, OJ Simpson And The Art Of Getting Away With Things
By Rick Sanchez
November 21, 2013
Fox News Latino

Here we go again. It’s like reliving the OJ Simpson saga all over again. I’ve always believed that George Zimmerman and Simpson had much in common, but it became crystal clear this week when I heard his girlfriend tell 911 operators that “he knows how to do it, he knows how to play the game.”

A terrified Samantha Sheibe seemed to be shouting out what many of us had quietly come to know from watching how well Zimmerman had managed to explain away the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. It's this: George Zimmerman knows a thing or two about how to get away with things.

Why the comparison to the “trial of the century?” It’s a theme that Nicole Brown Simpson had introduced before she met her demise at the hands of either Simpson or someone he’s still looking for. She said to several friends, including Chris Jenner, “he’s going to kill me and he’ll get away with it.”

It’s eerie, isn’t it? Call it women’s intuition or call it what you will. But there’s something that Zimmerman made plain as day for us this week when he revealed himself as a man who really does “know how to play the game.”

Who would think to throw the alleged victim of a crime out of her own house and then barricade himself inside to control or possibly alter the crime scene? Ingenious.

Who would think to then call a 911 operator not to report an emergency, but rather to put out a statement that carefully refutes everything he heard her say to police on the phone? Brilliant.

Who could be composed enough to deliver such a calm monologue with perfect pitch, tone and demeanor making him sound like the consummate victim? Masterful.

George Zimmerman has walked out of jail, after a Florida judge set his bail at $9,000. He isn’t allowed to go within 1,500 feet of his alleged victim. He must wear a monitoring device and must surrender his guns and passport until his trial.

Then he gets his day in court, where once again we’ll all be treated to another Zimmerman-esque defense. Masterful no doubt, it will likely showcase his keen insight of Florida law, his astute ability to play victim to a particular demographic (blacks, women); but most of all, his remarkably convincing acting skills.

Expect nothing but the best. (Clue: think of OJ Simpson pretending not to be able to make a shrunken glove fit.) You got the picture?

There is, however, one problem for Zimmerman. Remember how even Simpson got sent away after being accused of a much lesser crime than murder?

That model does not bode well for George Zimmerman, because truth is – no matter how well he performs – he remains, like Simpson, just plain overexposed.

George Zimmerman’s problem may come down to this: we’ve seen it all before.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2013/11/21/george-zimmerman-oj-simpson-and-art-getting-away-with-things/

Moment-in-Time
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 11:08 am
@firefly,
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Who could be composed enough to deliver such a calm monologue with perfect pitch, tone and demeanor making him sound like the consummate victim? Masterful.


Zimmerman's latest exhibition reveals a ruthlessly scheming manipulator who easily exploits the naiveté of the average onlooker, especially a jury living in the cultural racially charged environment of the South. But as the article points out Zimmerman's calculating manner also extends to women.

The article was most discerning regarding Nicole Brown Simpson that "OJ would kill her eventually.".....On a distant note, personally, they should never, ever allow OJ out of prison, at least not in this lifetime..

The article is an excellent one, Firefly...most penetrating.

coldjoint
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 12:21 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
You and Firefly are the manipulated ones.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 01:48 pm
@firefly,
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I wonder where George is staying now. He needed that girlfriend to shack up with. If he only has $149 in assets, he was sponging off her too.


Actually, where Zimmerman will stay is of less importance. There might be people willing to continue sending him money if he sets up a web money site to help him until he gets a job. He lived with a girlfriend because that beats staying at home with Mom and Day, or his brother. Any of these who spoke on his behalf during the TM's trial would offer him a bed.

There are women who're sexually aroused and attracted to people like Zimmerman who have committed cruel crimes, such as murder and rape. So it's more probable Zimmerman will be "shacking" up with another female.

Between you, me and the lamppost, I'm waiting for Zimmerman's next chapter....to be caught again.....Let's face it, the guy is high-profile trouble prone. Very Happy Very Happy
coldjoint
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 01:57 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Between you, me and the lamppost, I'm waiting for Zimmerman's next chapter....to be caught again.....Let's face it, the guy is high-profile trouble prone. Very Happy Very Happy


Between you me and the lamppost, you are nothing but a gossip. i feel for your friends and neighbors.
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firefly
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 02:03 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
I think. as a child, Zimmerman not only told his teacher, "The dog ate my homework," he'd add, "And it attacked me when I tried to get it back."

Then he'd dump out a bag of shredded paper and display the puncture wounds he'd made in his own hand with a fork, knowing the dog couldn't tell his side of the story...Laughing
Moment-in-Time
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 02:43 pm
@firefly,
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I think. as a child, Zimmerman not only told his teacher, "The dog ate my homework," he'd add, "And it attacked me when I tried to get it back."

Then he'd dump out a bag of shredded paper and display the puncture wounds he'd made in his own hand with a fork, knowing the dog couldn't tell his side of the story...Laughing


Now why doesn't that surprise me?! Zimmerman appear to be a complicated individual. There is a negativity in his facial expression, perhaps this is due to his close-knit eyes, which appear sinister.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 03:58 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Quote:

I think. as a child, Zimmerman not only told his teacher, "The dog ate my homework," he'd add,
"And it attacked me when I tried to get it back."

Then he'd dump out a bag of shredded paper and display the puncture wounds he'd made in his own hand with a fork, knowing the dog couldn't tell his side of the story...Laughing


Now why doesn't that surprise me?! Zimmerman appear to be a complicated individual. There is a negativity in his facial expression, perhaps this is due to his close-knit eyes, which appear sinister.
That is racial (as was his trial); u wud not say
those things about him if he were a black.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 04:06 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
If any of those things were to have happened wouldn't good ol' Jantel have over heard those things and said something to the police. The only words we have reported are the "creepy ass cracker" and "get off of me". No other words before or after the "get off of me" are reported.

Look who is stretching for an explanation.

The only witness for Martin never said anything else and I think she was keeping things from the police for a reason. She heard get off of me but nothing else? No mention of a gun or anything else, just the "get off of me" comment.

That is the least of the problems with her testimony.

There is also the fact that she said the fight/shooting occurred when Trayvon was nearly home.





The fact that it occurred nowhere near where she said it did
(it happened way back at the spot where Mr. Zimmerman was advised not to pursue)
really demolishes her entire story.
Was that fact brought out
by defense counsel during summation??
I don 't believe that it was.
Zimmy shud have had a better attorney.
That guy was eminently un-impressive. He won because it was a very ez case.





David
RABEL222
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 04:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Do you remember O.J. by any chance. Many both black and white think he got away with murder just as George did.
firefly
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 04:23 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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There is a negativity in his facial expression...

I find him so emotionally flat it's almost inappropriate affect.

He publicly shows little or no emotion. That was very evident in his interview with Hannity. His face is almost mask-like and his voice isn't "calm" it's almost devoid of emotion. Even after his verdict was announced, he just stood there, with that flat look, as though he was in a trance. It took him a while to even offer a little smile to the people surrounding him. I don't find him sinister looking at all, but his flatness is rather creepy, there's a deadness to it, there's a coldness about him.

In private, when he's emotionally aroused, it's apparently a different matter--he's volatile, labile, breaking things, pointing guns at people, crying and making suicidal gestures by putting a gun in his mouth...

He's a man who has learned to outwardly conceal his feelings when he wants to. That's deceptive for those trying to read his emotional state.

I saw an interview with Shellie Zimmerman on the Katie show today. She looks great! She's lost a lot of weight, is blonder, and is much more glammed-up and polished looking. She's a very attractive woman now. She said the best thing she ever did was to decide to leave George, and she certainly seems to have blossomed since doing that.

She said that, while George was never physically abusive toward her, he was emotionally and verbally abusive. That's why she had walked out on him the day before he killed Trayvon Martin. They had gone out to dinner, and she felt very ill, and "he couldn't deal with it, and he publicly humiliated me." That's why she left him and went to stay at her father's house. A day later, right after he killed Trayvon Martin, he pulled her back into his life because he needed her, and she said she wishes that going back with him had never happened. She has mixed feelings about her subsequent decision to stand by him during his trial.

Shellie offered what appeared to be a very heartfelt and compassionate statement of sympathy toward Martin's parents. She offered to lend them support, and work with them, in any way she could, and she said she has been inspired by their example of trying to turn something negative into a positive force for good. When asked what she would like to do, Shellie said she'd like to raise awareness of emotional and verbal abuse of domestic partners, because that issue is overshadowed by the problem of battering, and because it would have helped and supported her if she had heard more about that issue.

She comes across as a rather nice, caring, warm person, who does not seem particularly vindictive toward her estranged husband, even though she continues to be fearful of him.

Moment-in-Time
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 04:37 pm
@firefly,
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I find him so emotionally flat it's almost inappropriate affect.


Zimmerman reminds me of a RAT in human form.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 21 Nov, 2013 04:54 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Your "belief" in what happened has no real value except to yourself and a few others who think owning a gun is license to kill.

Your idea of "self-defense" is based on ignorance and love of guns over human lives.

 

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