The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

David Firefly and her like live in an alternative reality from this one and no amount of facts or logic or evidence or jury verdict is going to change her reality that a smiling and innocent child was gun down for no reason at all on his way home other then racial hate.

That assertion is false.
There was at least 1 witness to that effect; a resident.
I think that there were 2, but I 'm not sure.

Sorry Frank but a mixed race latin male with black family members and zero history of having racial feelings or a least an army of FBI agents could not find any is not a white racist of any kind first of all no matter how you people and the news media try to paint him otherwise even going so far as to edit the 911 tape to do so.

All the evidence indicate Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon and a jury found Zimmerman innocent of any crime from second degree murder to manslaughter.

I kind of feel sorry for you that you would had prefer Zimmerman dying under the hands of Trayvon and then Trayon being locked up for a decade or so only to return to the streets as a danger to everyone.

Shame on you.

There was however a witness of Trayvon being on top of Zimmerman pounding away and Zimmerman wounds back that up.

There was however a witness of Trayvon being on top of Zimmerman
pounding away and Zimmerman wounds back that up.

No witness clearly saw what was happening.

And Zimmerman's injuries not only don't back up
any evidence of a "head pounding" on concrete,

there is no injury evidence of Trayvon "pounding away" at Zimmerman's face, head, or body.

There are two tiny scrapes (one a half inch and one a quarter of an inch)
on the back of his head,

Zimmerman is as "innocent" as O.J. and Casey Anthony--they were acquitted by juries too.

Shame on you.

BillRM wrote:

Shame on you.

Every single thing that Frank Apisa ever says is without exception always an outright lie.

shotgun accidentally discharged (aside: people should always remember to keep their finger off the trigger until they are about to fire). Girl got buckshot in the face through the door, resulting in death.

You are amusing...in a sad way.

BTW, there is a case in Michigan now that people are comparing to the Trayvon case.

I have not followed it closely, but I gather that a 19 year old Detroit girl was seeking assistance after crashing her car, and pounding furiously on the door of a home in the suburbs. The homeowner pointed a shotgun at the door thinking he was about to be home-invaded, and the shotgun accidentally discharged (aside: people should always remember to keep their finger off the trigger until they are about to fire). Girl got buckshot in the face through the door, resulting in death.

shotgun accidentally discharged (aside: people should always remember to keep their finger off the trigger until they are about to fire). Girl got buckshot in the face through the door, resulting in death.

I do not see how an accidental discharge of a firearm have must to do with the Trayvon shooting except there was a death and a firearm was involved.

Next, I agree the finger should have been off the trigger and the gun should not had been aimed at the door unless the decision to fired had been made.

Very poor firearm handling indeed even if having a gun in hand when going to your door in the middle of the night to find out who is pounding on it is not at all unreasonable. That go even more for our home in a Detroit suburb then either the Las Vegas or Miami homes due to the far great crime level in the Detroit area.

Both my wife and I would have had a gun in hand in answering such a knocking in the AM but the gun would be pointed in a safe direction and finger would not be inside the trigger guard.

It does sadly happen however as in a highly train swat team member that when servicing a search warrant for drugs accidentally and at the time that the whole household was under control lying on the floor discharge his weapon into a child.

Next, I agree the finger should have been off the trigger and the gun should not had been aimed at the door unless the decision to fired had been made.
Very poor firearm handling indeed even if having a gun in hand when going to your door in the middle of the night to find out who is pounding on it is not at all unreasonable.

Has the shotgunner been arrested?

Do u have a name?

When did this happen ?

The travesty against Zimmy (his prosecution)
resulted from the necessary difference in races.
Does this new case have the necessary racial differences ??

If the parties r of the same race (either) Sharpton will take no interest.

Witness to fatal raid: I warned cops about kids
Associated Press By ED WHITE
June 5, 2013 5:17 PM
FILE - This undated family photo shows Aiyana Stanley-Jones, 7, who was shot and killed Sunday, May 16, 2010, by a shot from a Detroit police officer during a raid to arrest a murder suspect. A man rounding up his puppies late at night says he warned Detroit police that children were inside a house they were about to raid in a hunt for a murder suspect that left a 7-year-old girl dead. Aiyana Stanley-Jones was accidentally shot and killed during the raid by Detroit Officer Joseph Weekley, who is on trial for involuntary manslaughter in Aiyana's death. (AP Photo/Family Photo via The Detroit News) NO SALES; DETROIT FREE PRESS OUT.
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FILE - This undated family photo shows Aiyana Stanley-Jones, 7, who was shot and killed Sunday, May 16, …
DETROIT (AP) — A man rounding up his dogs late at night testified Wednesday that he warned Detroit police that children were inside a home moments before an officer burst through the door and fatally shot a 7-year-old girl.

Mark Robinson said a stun grenade thrown through a window to confuse people inside sounded like a "bomb going off." He said he next heard a gunshot and a woman screaming, "Y'all killed my baby."

"One cop ran out with Aiyana in his arms," Robinson told jurors, referring to Aiyana Stanley-Jones.

Officer Joseph Weekley is on trial for involuntary manslaughter, accused of negligence in failing to control his submachine gun as he entered the home in search of a murder suspect in May 2010. Aiyana was shot in the head while sleeping on a couch near the front door.

Weekley contends that he accidentally fired the gun when Aiyana's grandmother, also on the couch, reached for it. Prosecutors, however, said there was no struggle.

The third day of trial revealed tensions between police and prosecutors handling the case. While being questioned by the defense, Sgt. Anthony Potts described Weekley as a "damn good" officer and the department's elite Special Response Team as "family."

Moments later, assistant prosecutor Rob Moran's voice rose as he challenged Potts: "Is that how you consider the defendant, like family? So you're testifying against family?"

Earlier in his testimony, Potts hesitated when asked about training and how officers should handle a submachine gun. Moran wondered if Potts' loyalty for Weekley was a factor.

"You had a hard time expressing what you wanted," Potts replied, referring to the prosecutor's questions.

Robinson lived in the two-story duplex where Aiyana was killed. He said he was still awake after midnight because his pit bull puppies had escaped under a fence. He said police forced him to the ground just as the raid was about to start.

"I'm yelling to them, 'There's kids in the house,'" Robinson testified. "They ignored me. They continued to bum-rush the house. That's when the flash-bang was (thrown) and the shot went off."

He said Aiyana was carried out "like a rag." Potts said she was rushed to a hospital in less than eight minutes but didn't survive.

The raid was recorded by a crew from the police reality show, "The First 48." The jury saw short bits of video this week.

Earlier Wednesday, a police officer testified about efforts to keep track of the man who was the target of the search.

Raymond Trammell was in an unmarked car when the murder suspect, Chauncey Owens, walked by a few hours before the raid. He said he didn't try to arrest Owens because conditions on the street were too risky that night and any capture would have violated policy for an officer working surveillance.

"Dealing with the people out there, vehicle traffic, pedestrian traffic, him with another male — putting myself in that situation is highly dangerous," Trammell said.

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I suspect the case will turn on the question of whether his handling of the gun was criminally negligent.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Has the shotgunner been arrested?

Last I heard, no. The county prosecutor is saying he needs more evidence
before he will sign off on an arrest warrant.
(This seems to be making some protesters unhappy.)

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Do u have a name?

Yes. The dead girl's name: Renisha McBride

The shooter has not been named to the public.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

When did this happen ?

A week or two ago maybe? I haven't been paying enough attention
to note the exact date.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

The travesty against Zimmy (his prosecution)
resulted from the necessary difference in races.
Does this new case have the necessary racial differences ??

Yes.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

If the parties r of the same race (either) Sharpton will take no interest.

I have not heard of his involvement, but I suspect he's interested.

National Public Radio did a brief segment on the incident a couple days ago (MP3 audio):
http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/me/2013/11/20131111_me_04.mp3?dl=1

Code:How recently did this happen??
Victim 's name ?

2010 Detroit and there had already been one hung jury of the police officer on manslaughter charges and a new trial upcoming this year.

The person they was looking for live on the other side of the duplex where the 7 years old was killed.

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Witness to fatal raid: I warned cops about kids
Associated Press By ED WHITE
June 5, 2013 5:17 PM
FILE - This undated family photo shows Aiyana Stanley-Jones, 7, who was shot and killed Sunday, May 16, 2010, by a shot from a Detroit police officer during a raid to arrest a murder suspect. A man rounding up his puppies late at night says he warned Detroit police that children were inside a house they were about to raid in a hunt for a murder suspect that left a 7-year-old girl dead. Aiyana Stanley-Jones was accidentally shot and killed during the raid by Detroit Officer Joseph Weekley, who is on trial for involuntary manslaughter in Aiyana's death. (AP Photo/Family Photo via The Detroit News) NO SALES; DETROIT FREE PRESS OUT.
View gallery
FILE - This undated family photo shows Aiyana Stanley-Jones, 7, who was shot and killed Sunday, May 16, …
DETROIT (AP) — A man rounding up his dogs late at night testified Wednesday that he warned Detroit police that children were inside a home moments before an officer burst through the door and fatally shot a 7-year-old girl.

Mark Robinson said a stun grenade thrown through a window to confuse people inside sounded like a "bomb going off." He said he next heard a gunshot and a woman screaming, "Y'all killed my baby."

"One cop ran out with Aiyana in his arms," Robinson told jurors, referring to Aiyana Stanley-Jones.

Officer Joseph Weekley is on trial for involuntary manslaughter, accused of negligence in failing to control his submachine gun as he entered the home in search of a murder suspect in May 2010. Aiyana was shot in the head while sleeping on a couch near the front door.

Weekley contends that he accidentally fired the gun when Aiyana's grandmother, also on the couch, reached for it. Prosecutors, however, said there was no struggle.

The third day of trial revealed tensions between police and prosecutors handling the case. While being questioned by the defense, Sgt. Anthony Potts described Weekley as a "damn good" officer and the department's elite Special Response Team as "family."

Moments later, assistant prosecutor Rob Moran's voice rose as he challenged Potts: "Is that how you consider the defendant, like family? So you're testifying against family?"

Earlier in his testimony, Potts hesitated when asked about training and how officers should handle a submachine gun. Moran wondered if Potts' loyalty for Weekley was a factor.

"You had a hard time expressing what you wanted," Potts replied, referring to the prosecutor's questions.

Robinson lived in the two-story duplex where Aiyana was killed. He said he was still awake after midnight because his pit bull puppies had escaped under a fence. He said police forced him to the ground just as the raid was about to start.

"I'm yelling to them, 'There's kids in the house,'" Robinson testified. "They ignored me. They continued to bum-rush the house. That's when the flash-bang was (thrown) and the shot went off."

He said Aiyana was carried out "like a rag." Potts said she was rushed to a hospital in less than eight minutes but didn't survive.

The raid was recorded by a crew from the police reality show, "The First 48." The jury saw short bits of video this week.

Earlier Wednesday, a police officer testified about efforts to keep track of the man who was the target of the search.

Raymond Trammell was in an unmarked car when the murder suspect, Chauncey Owens, walked by a few hours before the raid. He said he didn't try to arrest Owens because conditions on the street were too risky that night and any capture would have violated policy for an officer working surveillance.

"Dealing with the people out there, vehicle traffic, pedestrian traffic, him with another male — putting myself in that situation is highly dangerous," Trammell said.

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Follow Ed White at www.twitter.com/edwhiteap

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There was however a witness of Trayvon being on top of Zimmerman
pounding away and Zimmerman wounds back that up.

firefly wrote:

No witness clearly saw what was happening.

Was THAT the trial testimony???
I don t remember a witness saying that he saw it happening, but not clearly.
Maybe I missed something or suffer memory failure. Will u be more specific ?


David

O’Mara: But you did see [reading] “the guy in the top in the black hoodie pretty much just throwing down blows on the guy kind of MMA-style.”

Good: Meaning arm motions going down on the person on the bottom. Correct.

O’Mara: You’re’ not going to tell the jury here today that you saw fists hit flesh or face if you didn’t actually see it, right?

Good: I wouldn’t tell them that anyway, because i didn’t actually see it.

O’Mara: Great, thanks very much , no further questions.

BDLR: Not to elaborate but the thing that Mr. O’Mara said from the transcript, the bottom line, you needed to clarify after that to make sure that everybody understood that you did not hear or see fists the guy on the top hitting the guy on the bottom.

Good: Both sides made me clarify.

BDLR: Is that correct?

Good: That’s correct.

BDLR: You did not see blows on the guy on the bottom, correct?

Good: Correct